If he is not good enough to help Utd to challenge for a top 4 place, then how can he be any use for Arteta/Arsenal to challenge for 2nd place? It is better for clubs to just wait until the last day of the summer transfer window.
Garnacho (Out)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Well if you were to sign him then it would mean that Arteta and your director of football think that he is good enough for Utd but is not being used to his potential which they back themselves to unlock.
They would be wrong but still.
He is not tall and strong enough to play the Stoke way for Arsenal. We only play long ball, throw in and set pieces. I don't see it suits Garnacho's game.
He should be decent at hoofball
Fans delusion when it comes to valuing our own players is baffling to see.
The club is buying two of the best performers in the league last season for around 60 mln, but should demand 60 minimum or 80 for a player who can't hit a barn door all season, has terrible decision making and inflated ego of a superstar without the skills to match it.
The club is buying two of the best performers in the league last season for around 60 mln, but should demand 60 minimum or 80 for a player who can't hit a barn door all season, has terrible decision making and inflated ego of a superstar without the skills to match it.
If he is going to a PL, then it has to 60m+ deal.
Didnt consider this to be fair, good point.
McT showed good signs and good attitude for years.
Yea think the club would be happy to get 45m for him at this point
Rashford can also do this. Let's wait and see if his Barcelona move materialize last day of the summer transfer window.
Fall down and look for a free kick into the box??
That would probably be enough to get a new striker in, so I would probably take it.
Who in this league is going to pay that sort of money?
You could have said the same thing about Havertz when you signed him. Your manager clearly thinks he can unlock something in these players that nobody else can.
Give me Nani and Valencia before Valencia turned a little shit in attack and went into defense. Or the better days before those two, even.
From defense to attack in two passes. That's what it used to be when the break was key.
Will say, Amad is quite promising. Can easily beat a player. You don't see that often in the modern game.
Garnacho. I'd want 60 million. PL price plus potential price and so on. In this day and age I'd want that amount for a potentially brilliant player whether he has been shite or not is kind of irrelevant.
I swear LVG broke Valencia as a wide player with his nonsense.
Yup.
It actually began, I think, when he went from crossing the ball to just firing it as hard as he could for some reason. If it were to hit someone's head it would take it off. Can't remember when that was. Also that terrible injury. Unfortunately, it's all a blur after a certain point in time now.
45 plus sell on would be a good deal.
For me it was clear when he would run just past the halfway line and then turn and pass it back, despite him having lots of space to run into. Very frustrating
That was it. When he started turning back (every time) for whatever reason. Drove me mental. As you said, at about half way too.
I'm sure he is - if we played a system that encourages that style of player. The fact he should have been more of a squad player than he has been as a young developing player doesn't mean he isn't already showing that he's capable of delivering goals and assists from out wide in the PL.
The big issue here is that he doesn't ideally suit Amorim's formation and as such there's seemingly become growing issues between them and a falling out.
That doesn't mean he isn't still a very good young player who can make important attacking contributions. He reached double figures this season for both goals and assists despite us being terrible for much of it and despite him not being utilised ideally as he doesn't fit into the managers preferred style of play.
We are definitely not selling him based on lack of potential, or poor numbers for an 18-20 year old in the PL. Utilise him well, and there's a good, PL proven attacking player there worth every bit around the £50m price or so.
That's quite flawed thinking, no?
If Zubimendi is only good enough for 11th in La Liga then how is he going to help Arsenal challenge for 2nd.
Attitude yeah I agree on
Good signs is more questionable. It was only in his last year here that he was a regular threat…and even then it was because we were reverting to hoofball as we chased games late on
In a midfield 2 he was absolutely garbage for us.
Perhaps not McT’s fault and more a reflection on Ole, Mourinho etc not recognising that he should have been higher up the pitch from day 1. A bit like a Fellaini regen
He's certainly not good enough to start for a team pushing for the big trophies (or even just chasing European spots), but he could potentially be a great impact player off the bench. Somebody that can break games open with his off-the-ball movement and relentless drive forward late on when the defence is tiring. Then he might develop into more than that in the future...or might not.
The issue is that he's not willing to be a squad/sub player here at Utd. Perhaps he might be at a new club that is competing for the big trophies where he has to prove himself again, but we messed up his development to some extent by making him an almost undisputed starter when he currently isn't good enough to warrant that. Not only that but we gave him a hell of a lot of media attention (which will always happen to some extent at Utd, but the club seemed to push it themselves at times) so he now causes problems when he thinks he should be playing and he's not. Like I said I wouldn't be surprised if that improves if he gets used correctly at another top club, but it's probably too late here now. Plus of course he doesn't really fit our current system.
Yep, flawed logic. Guess we should've steered well clear of Cunha and Mbuemo if our aim was to become top 4/5 challengers again.
Do not believe any of those figures at all. Maybe Leverkusen should attempt to get Antony Elanga instead.
Its like going to a Ferrari showroom and asking for Micra prices...
Also, we will be the biggest mugs if we accept anything lower than 50m from leverkusen.
Anytime we go for Bundesliga players, we get robbed... these are just about to get 150m euros so they cannot say they are broke.
The only ones getting mugged off for 60m+ are United.
Surely that's nonsense. Ridiculous figures.
38m 
Cheeky cnuts
Cheeky cnuts
£70m would be a great price
38 million is absolutely a joke if that’s true, which it most likely isn’t. You’re paying for the potential and 60-70 million seems fair.
Where's the source of the actual information ? There's nothing on the linked twitter.
We haven't exactly helped ourselves by making it clear that we are desperate to get rid of Garnacho.
I think we'll struggle to get more than £40m now because clubs know that he's not in our plans anymore.
You only tend to get top dollar for a player when the club don't want to sell so you have to make a massive offer to persuade them.
I think we'll struggle to get more than £40m now because clubs know that he's not in our plans anymore.
You only tend to get top dollar for a player when the club don't want to sell so you have to make a massive offer to persuade them.
I think he's in that 50M EUR market (+ some sell on). There are a lot of good players that move in that price bracket. We can obviously say he's worth 82M EUR or whatever but it doesn't make him worth that.
Really, Cunha and Mbeumo should both be around that price range but if you're signing from PL clubs, you have to overpay a bit.
Agree. Amorim was a bit too open about this whole you can leave craic. Doesn’t help negotiations
We'll see what happens with him eventually but £70M I feel like you guys are tripping. He's good but not that good. I can't see him going for more than £50M. The richest clubs in Europe dont need a winger of his profile. Bayern needs one but I dont see them splashing that much money on a player like him. Maybe a midtable PL team like West Ham could take a huge gamble on him, Chelsea to complete their pokedex or the Saudi League if he's willing to go there. Most teams who would realistically want him couldnt afford that price tag.
If Garnacho was such a special talent with huge potential, clubs will be lining up with offers for the quoted figure, does not matter if Amorim has said this or that...
The fact is we will be lucky if some club is stupid enough to bid 40 mln for him. The only reason he has this profile is because of the club and its ability to hype mediocre players to no end.
The fact is we will be lucky if some club is stupid enough to bid 40 mln for him. The only reason he has this profile is because of the club and its ability to hype mediocre players to no end.