Garnacho (Out)

[Blood Mage]

Our club isn't being run by serious people. £70m for a player we are desperately trying to offload, we can dream on.

 

[Ish]

If we were buying Garnacho, it would be 60+ million. He's young and dumb, but he has great numbers. Selling him for something like 40 reflects poorly on our management.

Using our club as a benchmark for sensible spending/good value in the market isn’t exactly the best thing to do.

Truth is, unless he is sold to a premier league rival, no one else is paying £60m for him, or anywhere near that - not the teams that’ll be interested anyway. I think we’re even going to struggle to get £60m for him from within England but I hope I’m wrong.

 

[AdNani]

Our club isn't being run by serious people. £70m for a player we are desperately trying to offload, we can dream on.

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

They are both many, many multiple times better than him.

£70m would be an astoundingly good price. £60m would be pretty excellent too.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

Nobody is going to offer anywhere near 70m for him, if he goes it'll be for a lot less

 

[Tarrou]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

jeez how much do you think he's worth if we'd be absolutely mental to accept less than 70?

 

[huyn]

This transfer saga is going to be interesting to follow. There's a big gap in valuation between the club as well as some Man Utd fans on this board and other clubs and fans. Man Utd and some fans seem to value him at £70M or more, while Leverkusen dont even want to spend £38M which I think is what's fair for him.
Top young offensive talents like Doué, Olise or Xavi Simons moved for that kind of fee last season (all around €50M), and more experienced Neto and Kvara moved for €60M and €70M. I dont think Garnacho is as good as any of those players, I dont see a reality where he goes for £70M, especially as he's being pushed out the door by his club. But we'll see how it all unfolds eventually, I'm curious about the outcome.

 

[AdNani]

jeez how much do you think he's worth if we'd be absolutely mental to accept less than 70?

Probably around 70

 

[AdNani]

Nobody is going to offer anywhere near 70m for him, if he goes it'll be for a lot less

If we were buying him from Villa or Napoli or Atalanta, how much do you think wed be quoted at? Everyone moans about how bad we are at selling yet criminally undervalue our own players themselves

 

[Tarrou]

Probably around 70

ah okay fair enough

I think we'll be very lucky to get that but fingers crossed

 

[Tarrou]

If we were buying him from Villa or Napoli or Atalanta, how much do you think wed be quoted at? Everyone moans about how bad we are at selling yet criminally undervalue our own players themselves

the clear difference is leverage

in both situations the other club has the leverage in the deal. United want to sell Garnacho. And most of the time when we're buying from those clubs they don't want to sell.

United very rarely sell a player they don't want to sell, and as far as I can recall the last time we did with a first team player we got a world record transfer fee

we do have some leverage with garnacho, it's not as bad as rashford/sancho et all, but the resulting fee is heavily dependent on more than one club wanting him

 

[welshwingwizard]

This transfer saga is going to be interesting to follow. There's a big gap in valuation between the club as well as some Man Utd fans on this board and other clubs and fans. Man Utd and some fans seem to value him at £70M or more, while Leverkusen dont even want to spend £38M which I think is what's fair for him.
Top young offensive talents like Doué, Olise or Xavi Simons moved for that kind of fee last season (all around €50M), and more experienced Neto and Kvara moved for €60M and €70M. I dont think Garnacho is as good as any of those players, I dont see a reality where he goes for £70M, especially as he's being pushed out the door by his club. But we'll see how it all unfolds eventually, I'm curious about the outcome.

Garnacho didn't have a great season but young players are often frustrating and the context is delivering in a United team that can't attack. I can't believe so many have written such a young player off.

I know it is an unpopular opinion but I reckon a Garnacho that irons out his end product and gets a bit more consistency will be up there with some of the best.

He is fearless, doesn't get his head down and can scare defenders. Its a shame I don't think he fits Amorims system but whoever gets him will really benefit. Given how Sancho looked in Germany, I reckon he will tear it up. I wouldn't sell for less than £60 million as his resale value alone will be more.

 

[huyn]

Garnacho didn't have a great season but young players are often frustrating and the context is delivering in a United team that can't attack. I can't believe so many have written such a young player off.

I know it is an unpopular opinion but I reckon a Garnacho that irons out his end product and gets a bit more consistency will be up there with some of the best.

He is fearless, doesn't get his head down and can scare defenders. Its a shame I don't think he fits Amorims system but whoever gets him will really benefit. Given how Sancho looked in Germany, I reckon he will tear it up. I wouldn't sell for less than £60 million as his resale value alone will be more.

I might underrate him, that's totally possible, but even if I do, if you look at the price young talented wingers have gone for in the past year as I showed in my previous post and the fact that you want to get rid, I dont think you can expect more than €50M/£43M. You have no leverage and if you dont move him this summer you'll have a problem on your hands to start the season.

 

[Dominos]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

I mean, he scored 6 league goals whilst starting almost every game. Is he really the highest rated 20 year old (or younger) in Europe outside of Lamal and Doue? Or is that just by United fans?

I'm happy for the club to set whatever price they want, but at some point we'll have to accept reality that we won't get that.

That's the sort of fee you might get if we wanted to keep him and a superclub like Madrid came in to try poach him. We don't have the greatest leverage when everyone knows we want him gone and he'll never play for us again. There are only a few clubs who ever spend £70m on a player and Garnacho isn't good enough to attract any of them at that price.


If we do have to sell cheaper than we'd like I hope we get a sell-on clause to soften the blow.

 

[TheGame]

Nobody is going to offer anywhere near 70m for him, if he goes it'll be for a lot less

Exactly, especially as he's fallen out with the manager and has to leave so we have limited negotiating power. People living on another planet.

 

[Cloudface]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

Doue went for £42 million last year. How good do you think Garnacho is exactly?

£45 million would be good business.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Why shouldn’t we name a high price for Garna.

He’s an exciting young player. He’s got terrific experience, and is on a good wage.

Alternatively, let’s just name a cheap price for him?

If no one want to pay a decent figure for him. Fine, he doesn’t go anywhere.

 

[hellhunter]

As a fan of Garnacho and someone that thinks we're making a mistake selling, there's no way we're getting £70m for him

 

[Raiden Shogun]

United should loan him out and see how the season unfolds with Amorim at this point. Selling him won't net you anywhere near £70mil, heck I think you'll be lucky to get £45-50mil out of Chelsea if they still want him. He's still a big talent and probably warrants a bigger fee but the clubs that make sense for him won't pay such fees.

His attitude has been horrendous at times but he's still young, just needs to mature in the right system and a manager to develop him.

Not sure if he's been linked to them at all but I always thought he'd end up playing under Simeone at Atleti, just looks like that type of player.

 

[SensibleRed]

Napoli sold Kvaratskhelia - their key player in the middle of a title charge. World class young player, one of the best in the world in his position for 70 mln in the middle of the season to one of the richest clubs in PSG.

Why some people think Garnacho commands a similar fee lol? He is surplus to requirements at United, he is not going to get a sniff next season with Mbuemo and Cunha coming in and most likely another attacker. His price will only decrease from there.

Clubs looking at him are aware of it 40 mln for him is a good fee that we will probably not get...

 

[Church o Choccy]

Garnacho is a 50m player on a good day when United aren't looking to sell. After a mixed season when it's clear the club would prefer him to leave it'll likely be closer to 40m.

I think United will take that in the end - possibly even a 35+5 with achievable add ons or something but insert a sell on fee like they have with other recent young departures. If he goes for 40 but United get a chunk of any future profit it softens the blow if he does finally develop his final ball and decision making and Madrid or someone look at him for big money in three seasons time.

 

[renatosanches85]

What are the club supposed to do? Leak it that they’d be willing to accept £35m? Of course they are going to say they want £70m in the hope they get closer to £50m; I would imagine they would snap the hand off any club offering a straight £40m right now but maybe there will be a bidding war.

 

[Shark]

United should loan him out and see how the season unfolds with Amorim at this point. Selling him won't net you anywhere near £70mil, heck I think you'll be lucky to get £45-50mil out of Chelsea if they still want him. He's still a big talent and probably warrants a bigger fee but the clubs that make sense for him won't pay such fees.

His attitude has been horrendous at times but he's still young, just needs to mature in the right system and a manager to develop him.

Not sure if he's been linked to them at all but I always thought he'd end up playing under Simeone at Atleti, just looks like that type of player.

I've been advocating for this from the start.

 

[Zumbi]

Your absolutely mental if you think we should be accepting anything less than that, for his age, the only two players with better numbers are Lamal and Doué, much do you think they would be going for?

I can also guarantee you'd have people in here complaining if we had set a low price, the club literally cannot win.

The trouble is clubs and scouts can actually watch games, and when they do they’ll quickly figure out Garnacho is a million miles off both of them, hence his realistic valuation being much lower.

And yes, fans complain about everything. Nothing new there.

 

[ti vu]

Homegrown tax. And often negotiator need to weed out unserious contact. The fee can be negotiated down for serious interest , but nobody want to allow just anyone to knock on the door and occupy time.

Our club isn't being run by serious people. £70m for a player we are desperately trying to offload, we can dream on.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Apparently we're after £70m for this half decent player we've already announced we want rid of. I'm confident that we're getting a lot less than this, or he's staying here.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

It's weird to see people unhappy the club set a high transfer for Garna, I don't get, because the same people then will say ooh why are we selling him for 40m?

It's normal that clubs leak a high price, it's to set the starting point for negotiations, the club won't get 70m, but they might settle for a 60m, or 55m, which is a an excellent fee.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Exactly, especially as he's fallen out with the manager and has to leave so we have limited negotiating power. People living on another planet.

His market value is €45m so I guess he'll go for somewhere around that

 

[Hoof the ball]

Nobody is going to offer anywhere near 70m for him, if he goes it'll be for a lot less

So you set the price extraordinarily high and then a concession from them would be meeting somewhere in the region of 60m.

 

[G3079]

It's weird to see people unhappy the club set a high transfer for Garna, I don't get, because the same people then will say ooh why are we selling him for 40m?

It's normal that clubs leak a high price, it's to set the starting point for negotiations, the club won't get 70m, but they might settle for a 60m, or 55m, which is a an excellent fee.

It depends if you view it as a starting prize for negotiations, hoping to eventually settle for a price between the buyer's first offer and your own, or if you view it as a minimum price and you're not willing to entertain anyone approaching you with less.
Bartering vs. shop approach, basically.

If United actually really want to see 70m for him, I can't see which non-Arabian club would pay that much for him. He's too much of a project, with too many weaknesses, to command that much of a fee, even at his age. I think 45-55m is where the fee will land eventually, if United don't reconsider and decide to just keep him if they can't achieve a larger payment.

 

[Zed is not dead]

It's weird to see people unhappy the club set a high transfer for Garna, I don't get, because the same people then will say ooh why are we selling him for 40m?

It's normal that clubs leak a high price, it's to set the starting point for negotiations, the club won't get 70m, but they might settle for a 60m, or 55m, which is a an excellent fee.

Especially when random greek players get bought by Brighton for almost £40m, but somehow our players are never worth more than £30m

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Garnacho is a 20 year old full Argentina international with almost 150 first team games for one of the biggest clubs in the world (albeit during a weaker spell).

He's PL proven and even in the last season reached double figures for goals and assists playing in a team that was struggling.

He's being sold because he's not an ideal fit for the current managers unusual system - a system most teams don't play and so won't be an issue there - and we need sales in order to bring in the managers type of players.

An attacking player with that CV and his ability, who under many managers would still be deemed a wanted player at Man United, should definitely be worth a deal totalling at least £50m. And that's knocking the fee down based on the fact that it's known he's available.

Even if the initial fee agreed is below £50m, there's no way we should be selling a young player of such potential for anything less than a deal that gets to £50m minimum with the add ons.

 

[Josep Dowling]

He’s worth £50m plus, he’s still so young and has very good potential. I think we will regret selling him but if he doesn’t fit the system we need players that do. No way are we getting £70m for him and no chance we should be selling him for less than £50m unless we put a considerable sell on clause in.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

This transfer saga is going to be interesting to follow. There's a big gap in valuation between the club as well as some Man Utd fans on this board and other clubs and fans. Man Utd and some fans seem to value him at £70M or more, while Leverkusen dont even want to spend £38M which I think is what's fair for him.
Top young offensive talents like Doué, Olise or Xavi Simons moved for that kind of fee last season (all around €50M), and more experienced Neto and Kvara moved for €60M and €70M. I dont think Garnacho is as good as any of those players, I dont see a reality where he goes for £70M, especially as he's being pushed out the door by his club. But we'll see how it all unfolds eventually, I'm curious about the outcome.

My guess is €35M, similar fee like Greenwood. Every club knows Garnacho is not needed in United.

 

[hellhunter]

My guess is £35M, similar fee like Greenwood. Every club knows Garnacho is not needed in United.

We got 25m for Greenwood. But fair to say that was a different level of baggage attached

 

[BuzzKillington]

Apparently we're after £70m for this half decent player we've already announced we want rid of. I'm confident that we're getting a lot less than this, or he's staying here.

Well we accepted £20m for a “shit” footballer last season and he just won a title and was crowned player of the season in Italy.

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I’d send Garnacho on loan if we can’t get £60m plus for him. He’ll likely increase in value, but if not we’ll probably have need for a winger the season after next anyway.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

We got 25m for Greenwood. But fair to say that was a different level of baggage attached

In the end the market sets the price and I have no idea what fee he will leave for. He is still young and he needs to play. Not many clubs can pay even £50M on a proven player.

 

[honirelandboy]

Really thought at one stage the future of the club was Garnacho Hojlund Diallo with Mainoo in midfield. How times have changed.

Looking even at even Saka in this game
his calmness, composure, technique, passing is miles ahead. I’d say 40 million is probably a realistic price for garnacho. Doubt we’ll get more. Love to see it how Garnacho gets on in Spain along with Rashford. If Anthony can cut it over there so can they.

 

[hellhunter]

In the end the market sets the price and I have no idea what fee he will leave for. He is still young and he needs to play. No many clubs can pay even £50M on a proven player.

Think that's the main issue. I have no doubt he's worth £50-60m, but no one outside of England will pay that for him. It's similar for Antony, whose loan surely warrants something like 35m, but the clubs interested just won't pay that

 

[McTerminator]

Using our club as a benchmark for sensible spending/good value in the market isn’t exactly the best thing to do.

Truth is, unless he is sold to a premier league rival, no one else is paying £60m for him, or anywhere near that - not the teams that’ll be interested anyway. I think we’re even going to struggle to get £60m for him from within England but I hope I’m wrong.

Then sell him to a rival he either succeeds or he doesn’t at this point just get some decent sales!