Well you won't get 60M so loan it is, just understand that his sale is needed to buy the striker we so desperately need so him going on loan means another season of the unanswerable question, Zirkzee or Hojlund.
Garnacho (Out)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
I highly doubt Leverkusen can even afford €25M.
We couldn’t get buyers from PL who among top payers and lost out on homegrown tax. English consensus makes it impossible for any English clubs to have him.
With Garnacho we can sell to other PL clubs. More bidders from PL may help maximizing the fee we can get.
We’ll definitely be putting a sell on clause into this.
My thinking too. If he stays he will still be useful. And it will stop the perception that United will crumble and offload any non wanted players for pennies. Just like people saying we should stop paying over the odds, even if we miss out. We should do the same with selling. The reason Sancho feels like he can come back is he knows we will loan him out and pay part of his full wages. I say just let him play in the reserves and force his hand.
Yeah, not sure where he ends up. I read an article today saying Ronaldo is urging Al Nassr to sign Garnacho
Would be excellent for us but I highly doubt he’s be tempted to go there.
Pool just signed Frimpong from them and they’re probably going to get anywhere from €130m to €150m for Wirtz. They’ll be able to afford it - issue is, will they spend that much?
Why don't we give him to Napoli in exchage to Osimhen?
I think we will get around 50. That would probably be the difference between us moving forward with Hojlund or Gyokeres up front.
Loaning him out would be mental.
It's still a possibility that Amorim gets sacked next season and we go to 4-2-3-1 Bruno hero ball. Cunha won't really fit that scenario although Mbeumo will. If we straight up transfer then fine but if we loan then we need some loan recall clause just in case.
Even if Amorim got sacked, Garnacho’s attitude is what we want to move away from for cultural reset going forward. This survival mentality post SAF has been a huge issue. It’s not just Amorim issue, but our issue that our directors have to address if they’re competent.
What is the bad attitude?
Drink, drugs, speeding, dodgy women, going awol, fighting with teammates, refusing to play?
Or sending a few tweets and being annoyed at not playing?
Even if that does happen I see no reason that Cunha can't play off the left in a 4-2-3-1.
Garnacho also still won't be a particularly good player and more importantly would have still openly disrespected every Man Utd manager he's played under, disrespected the club and very likely leaked multiple lineups to idiots on twitter.
Yeah, I think that's the key point that needs remembering.
We need to sell a few players in order for Amorim to be able to sign the additions that he needs. And we're struggling to sell a lot of our players with, sadly in my view, Garnacho being the one most likely to have suitors at a price that would make a big impact to our budget.
Loaning him out - while making sense from the point of view that he's a good young talent mostly being sold because he doesn't fit the current managers system and maybe we could utilise him if Amorim is sacked - doesn't make much sense at all in terms of trying to give Amorim the biggest budget in order to bring in the players he needs.
It just takes away a very good player from the squad but doesn't add anything to the budget to allow us to sign the players we need. Whereas selling him for around £50m - as much of a shame as that is - helps fund a new #9, and means any other sales can then be put towards the GK and / or CM positions.
Silly isn't it? Get the brother to shut his cakehole and confiscate his phone. Social media seems to upset people far more than actual bad acts. Garnacho has proved before that he can get his head down and work and he can do it again.
The Wirtz fee might help us here, if the club can use that as a barometer for buying or selling young talent in Europe - surely we can demand the reported £70million?
Did he not walk straight down the tunnel after getting subbed off due to Dorgu red card against Ipswich?
Shaw, Rashford issue also started small, until they’re no longer young players, and these kind of thing influencing the whole culture at the club. Imagine every single players in the squad doing the same thing.
He picked up a new shirt and came back out, no?
And are you really claiming Shaw has an attitude for being injury prone?
Rio missed a drugs test, Rooney turned up hungover, Scholes refused to play, goodness knows what Keane did, and other great players did lots of things they shouldn’t have. Am clearly not putting Garnacho in that category, but for every player didn’t turn out well, there are example of players maturing. He’s only 20.
You’d hope so. He’s definitely worth that when you compare him to similarly aged players across Europe and what their clubs would demand in a sale.
I have no idea if the latter part is true, did he disrespect Ten Hag?
But for the former, Cunha can play from the left, but hero-ball necessitates off the ball running on transition which is not his game. Elanga would do better than Cunha in that situation. Imagine Rashford, Greenwood, Martial bolting the moment we win the ball back and Bruno absolutely pinging one to Rashford.
I feel like I live under a rock with these comments. I still have no idea what Garnacho or Rashford did and how they bring attitude problems.
Sancho sure. Probably Ronaldo too with the drama whenever we benched him. But Garnacho is a trier. He works very hard and has that never give up attitude in him.
Garnacho on field attitude is 100% top. He never stops working or running, he's a fighter. The problem its his attitude outside the pitch. His moaning and his brothers moaning in Twitter, etc it's clearly an issue.
Rashford on the other side if you can't see he has attitude problems then I don't think you're able to recognize attitude problems.
Yes, on multiple occasions, publicly and had to apologise to him.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Elanga or Greenwood or whatever. We are signing Cunha regardless of Garnacho. I am constantly told in the Amorim thread that a Man Utd manager needs to be flexible and make things work with the players he has. I personally would feel pretty confident getting a tune out of an attack with Cunha, Mbuemo and a striker. I am sure whoever we bring in if Amorim doesn't work out could figure it out.
I’m not entirely convinced it is, for cash reasons or PSR if we’re spreading costs over multiple years. It makes even less sense if we’re looking to flog him cheap.
Nobody's going to pay 70M for Garnacho. Clubs who maybe could, likely aren't interested. But that's way too much for clubs like Napoli or Leverkusen. Even with Wirtz money. Leverkusen's record signing is 32M euros. I would be happy if we get 40-50M. And i think that's his real value with assumed potential. Currently he isn't a 50M player.
A loan just makes no sense. We need to sell him this summer so we can reinvest elsewhere.
Given our current predicament, we need to do everything we can to give ourselves the best chances of success asap, not take speculative gambles on vague hypotheticals. It seems to me that loaning Garnacho in case we get rid of Amorim and in case we at some point bring in a new manager that plays a formation that suits him, assuming that manager even rates him and starts him, instead of selling him so we can buy players for positions we desperately need now, is asking for trouble. It would actively weaken our squad at the worst possible time.
If the club thought he was a future world beater I don’t think they’d be getting rid of him anyway. I suspect they don’t feel that way which is why they’re looking to cash in.
Problem for us is that Wirtz is on a whole other tier as a talent and with what he's already done which is why the reigning champions fancied him enough to spend 150m on.
Nobody outside of the PL, if even, will fancy Garnacho even half as much
Obviously the ideal situation is selling him, I don't think anyone disagrees. But what if we don't find a sale at an appropriate valuation?
Yep.
And look at the Yoro fee for a young defender. We paid £50-60m largely for potential after one full season in the French league.
Garnacho is an attacking player and a full international with the current world champions who has played almost 150 times for Man Utd by the age of 20.
No doubt if we were buying him from a different league, the fee would be £50-80m for a young attacking player with his ability and experience.
He would be part of the squad next season.
He reportedly bought dinner for the squad as an apology for his behaviour that day, so seems like there was some issue there.
Garnacho had to apologize to Ten Hag after liking social media posts that criticized his management after a 2-2 draw with Bournemouth, in which Garnacho was subbed at half time. It was dealt with as an internal discipliniary matter with Ten Hag saying at a press conference soon after “Alejandro is a young player, he has to learn a lot. He apologized for it and after that we move on.”
So it’s the same sort of stuff that’s happened recently - using social media to criticise the manager’s decisions because he didn’t give Garnacho the minutes he thought he was entitled to. And it’s that sense of entitlement in a 20 year who hasn’t been performing that well tgat lots of us have an issue with. It being a recurring issue also suggests he’s a pretty slow learner.
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Shaw had people close to him being his mouth piece during early Mourinho’s tenure. Shaw survived until this day. Even with his excuses of injuries, when he is fit, our managers all find issue with him. Even Ole had period where he fast tracked Brandon William as LB, no?
Gibson was partner in crime with Rooney, eventually got sold. Rooney was not deemed as captain material. Was not given the armband under SAF. SAF eventually was on course to push him out around his retirement, after getting players to replace him, no?
Keane when it came to the point of negatively affect the dressing room got quickly moved out unceremoniously despite his status.
Rio specifically talked about SAF snubbing him to choose Vidic as vice captain (also stand in captain when Neville was not on the pitch). Would you be able to get good price for world most expensive defender being banned like that? This happened during the period when Glazer takeover was on the way. The club was divisive.
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The Scholes incident happened during 01-02 with SAF had already announced his retirement for the end of that season. The whole team spirit was not the same and the whole season was affected negatively (ended up trophyless). That game Scholes refused to play, Arsenal slaughtered us 4-0. SAF understood his departure was the main issue. He tackled the main issue (not solely player issue) by rescinding his retirement plan and ended up staying for over a decade. This time only announced when season business was done. Scholes said himself, he was scared that he would get sold after this incident with SAF staying.
The point being, SAF was untouchable. No players could have outlasted him. That gives the managers power to set the player right. We don’t have that manager now. If we let player power continue to be out of control, who would be able to control this dressing room? Even under SAF, when there was sign of SAF departure, things could start going off the rail. We should rehire Woodward and his cronies if the directors and the managers don’t share same vision and directors just want to keep valuable assets for the book.
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Then keep him as a bench option, and make it clear that unless he improves his performance and attitude issues, then he’ll be on the bench more than the pitch. The increased competition might actually be good for him. That might not be an ideal solution, but it’s far better than losing him from the squad without getting any proper money to reinvest in someone that can take his place.
I believe the days when we were having a manager succeed another manager with totally different formations are over. If Amorim gets sacked, another manager will be brought in who plays a similar style to what Amorim is trying to do, with 3 at the back, for example, Inzaghi. The club is investing too much money in specialist players for Amorim's formation. If we bring a coach who plays 4 at the back, this will make a few players play in unnatural positions.
Brighton transition from back 5 under Potter to de Zerbi back 4 and later was not too dramatic. I think formation can be changed. Just that we need to get the culture/ player mentality profile (more team player type) and ability profile right.
Don't think Napoli are interested in Garnacho anymore. And even if they were, we're not going to pay Osimhen what he wants. We're supposed to be resetting our wage structure, not exacerbating it by adding more £250-300k+ players on to it.
Maybe. I’m not so sure though. The current hierarchy have explicitly said they’re targeting players who they think can play in different systems.
In my opinion, our issue is less to do with specialist players in wrong positions than it is players who don’t have the pace, physicality and/or technical ability to compete and succeed in the PL. if we had a manager who played a 4231 come in after Amorim, I think they’d still be much better off with the likes of Cunha, Mbuemo and Gyokeres in our attack than they would with the likes of Garnacho, Zirkzee/Mount, Hojlund in our attack.
If we replace more limited players with better players (both physically and technically), then I think we’ll be much better placed to adapt to different systems and formations.
Maguie’s lack of agility and speed can be exposed in a back 3 just as it can be exposed in a back 4. Same with Zirkzee’s lack of pace, or Garnacho’s lack of passing, or Hojlund’s lack of everything.