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Should we sell or keep Garnacho?


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If you can’t understand that wearing the jersey of your mate from the same country as yourself isn’t comparable to wearing the opposition jersey of a player (when he could have worn Rashford’s United jersey given he’s not even on loan at Villa anymore) on the out with the club and who has publicly sought to leave, when you yourself are also on the out and actively complaining to the media, then there’s really no hope for you.

The context isn’t even subtle, it’s slapping you across the face and you’re still willfiliy ignoring it. Christ.

It’s as subtle as a brick. To those defending him… good luck if you enjoy this sort of thing. I’d prefer a player who makes his point on the pitch, rather than next to his Ferrari paid for by his soon-to-be-ex. Like a wounded peacock putting on a display.
 
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Need Amass, Amad, Garnacho, Ugarte and Dorgu out.





There's a big difference between someone else taking a picture of you in another shirt while you're going about your business and modelling one emphasizing the name on the back and then posting that up on your own social media.

To be clear I'm not bothered that he posted that picture but for what ever reason he took that picture and posted it to cause a stir/send a message where as the rest are just wearing football tops they like the same way they would any other item of clothing.
 
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Just watched the video of Amad wearing a Brighton shirt. That’s weird I can’t lie. I don’t like it.


Is it happening at other clubs?
Probably but it's difficult to say unless you're following players pages closely (or their friends, family or fan pages). If Garnacho hadn't posted that pic, I probably wouldn't have even known about Amad, Ugarte and Dorgu.

The only other player I've seen doing it has been Pogba, but he doesn't have a club. He's posted pictures in Juventus, Boca Juniors, United and Real Madrid tops this summer.
 
It's very very weird.

I don't know. Feels like things like this expedite me falling out of love with football and especially this bunch of United players.
I do think footballers are becoming more and more stupid as the years go on. They’ll not even think of how wearing a different team’s football jersey could be construed by the fan base. It’s utter ignorance caused by excessive pampering.
 
It's astonishing that people are making this about Rashford rather than Garnacho. The persecution complex is something else.
 
£70 million sell price?

Who is he going on loan to then?
If he stays it’s not a big deal, he would be good off the bench and is guaranteed g/a.

At his age and output any other club would be selling at a high range, it’s about time we stop selling poorly. It’s the 2nd biggest reason we struggling with cash and psr.
 
It's astonishing that people are making this about Rashford rather than Garnacho. The persecution complex is something else.

I think that the we've got a clique at United made up of ahole players who are massively overrated, who had made a killing out of our incompetent club and are pissed off that they'll soon be kicked off the gravy train. They are probably working with one another to a certain extent hence why the methods used are similar (embarrassing the club in public, leaks, interviews, certain youtube channels defending them (United stand - Garnacho, Muppetiers - Rashford) though they are being careful not to make it too obvious.
 
If he stays it’s not a big deal, he would be good off the bench and is guaranteed g/a.

At his age and output any other club would be selling at a high range, it’s about time we stop selling poorly. It’s the 2nd biggest reason we struggling with cash and psr.

Yeah he's definitely be absolutely fine being backup and create no issues whatsoever.
 
Except this season we have players that are better than him. If he wants to start he needs to raise his levels…and if he does, he should start.

That's not the problem. The problem is Garnacho already thinks his level is that of someone who's beyond being dropped or even rotated.
 
Very strong article in the Mail today about United's decision to get rid of Garnacho.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Man-United-Alejandro-Garnacho-OLVER-HOLT.html

Man United have at last grown bored of indulging spoilt brats such as Alejandro Garnacho. It's a sign of progress, writes OLIVER HOLT

The search for an image that captures the mood of a football age where more and more players live gilded lives detached from reality, bloated by wealth, swollen by entitlement and divorced from responsibility to their club and their fans, is over.

Alejandro Garnacho, the Manchester United winger who is already a legend in his own mind, fixed that for us when he posed in an Aston Villa shirt in front of a yellow Ferrari and a black Lamborghini while he is on holiday in Ibiza and posted the picture to his Instagram page.

The Villa shirt had Marcus Rashford’s name plastered on the back and has been widely interpreted as a dig at United manager Ruben Amorim, who allowed Rashford to leave on loan for Villa in the winter and wants to sell him.

Amorim has, wisely, decided that Garnacho, 20, is surplus to requirements at Old Trafford, too. Garnacho has talent. He has isolated moments of brilliance. But he is one of those players who is simply not worth the hassle.

Maybe someone among the back-slappers and glad-handers who surround him might want to point out to the kid that he has just played his part in United’s worst season for more than 30 years and that this does not put him in a position of strength.

Maybe someone among his cheerleaders might want to mention to him that wearing the shirt of another club will be regarded as betrayal by United supporters who have been loyal to him and whose season tickets help to pay his extortionately overblown wages.

Alejandro Garnacho's photo in an Aston Villa shirt next to a Ferrari and a Lamborghini is the quintessential image of football's age of entitlement and of detachment towards supporters

Garnacho's entourage would do well to warn him that he is heading down the road to perdition

Ruben Amorim seems to have adopted the All Blacks 'no d***heads' policy, which is progress

Maybe someone ought to have a quiet word and point out to him that even if he is an exciting young player, he is not remotely as good as he thinks he is. He wouldn’t get close to the Liverpool side, nor that of Manchester City. He wouldn’t get in Arsenal’s first XI, nor Newcastle United’s.

The truth is he is as immature on the pitch as he is off it. Yes, he has talent but he gives the ball away too often to be a top-four player, he runs down blind alleys too often to be a top-four player, and he does not work hard enough to be a top-four player.

Let’s be generous for a moment and accept there are mitigating circumstances for Garnacho’s behaviour. These are that he is young, he is immature, and he is stupid. We all make mistakes but someone needs to tell Garnacho he’s heading down the road to perdition.

He’ll get another club this summer. Another big club probably. Another club with more money than sense. Chelsea fit these criteria and, not surprisingly given their scattergun transfer policy, are regarded as the favourites to sign him.

But what do you think they, or any other club wondering about paying a lot of money for him, will be thinking when they look at the picture of him in a Villa shirt?

They’ll already be wondering if they’re about to make a mistake. They’ll be worrying they’ve got a liability on their hands. They’ll be thinking they’re signing a talented player. They’ll also be realising they’re about to acquire a whole bunch of trouble.

Perhaps Chelsea won’t care about any of that. They have already proved under the ownership of Todd Boehly and Behdad Eghbali that their recruitment is deeply flawed. They took Jadon Sancho on loan from United, don’t forget, and have just had to pay £5million to send him back.

But if Chelsea aren’t learning their lessons, there are signs United are. Under Amorim, there seems to be something akin to the famous All Blacks ‘no d***heads’ policy starting to form. Not surprisingly, it seems Garnacho fell foul of that policy straightaway.

Garnacho is too immature, too inconsistent and not hard-working enough to be a top-four star

Manchester United have been forced to take risks in recent years on players with bad attitudes

Garnacho looked bored and yawned as he signed autographs on United's post-season tour

Garnacho is the epitome of everything the All Blacks would have run a million miles from. In a sporting context, a d***head makes everything about them, not the team. Hello Alejandro. A d***head chooses arrogance over humility. Hello again, Alejandro.

And so even if United fans are infuriated by Garnacho’s behaviour, the imminent end of his association with the club is something to celebrate. It is a sign of progress. It is a sign the club are bored of indulging spoilt brats who live like princes and play like paupers.

The problem for United for much of the last decade was that their mediocrity meant they had to take chances with the character of the players they signed. The best players, the best characters, went to the best clubs.

Too often, United had to go for players who just wanted the money, players the top teams did not want, players that were coming for the wrong reasons. The lower you finish in the table, the more chances the club have to take. Failures of recruitment, as much as anything, have condemned them to all these years in purgatory.

If last season’s horrors finally woke United up to that, then maybe all the pain will not have been in vain. Amorim wears the air of a manager who is not prepared to tolerate distractions caused by needy fools such as Garnacho and their sycophantic entourages.

As far as his United career is concerned, it appears the picture of him in an Villa shirt, a rich kid in his playground, thinking he’s being smart, thinking he’s being cute, will be his epitaph.

He will leave as one more sad symbol of the dysfunction that has wracked the club since Sir Alex Ferguson left, a kid who thought he was a king before he had won anything at all.
 
I'm no master negotiator but if we're sticking at 70 all I can foresee is tumbleweeds rolling on by in terms of takers.

Sticking to our guns however may encourage bidders to come in at a higher starting point.
 
I'm no master negotiator but if we're sticking at 70 all I can foresee is tumbleweeds rolling on by in terms of takers.

Sticking to our guns however may encourage bidders to come in at a higher starting point.
Yeah there is that possibility
 
I think that the we've got a clique at United made up of ahole players who are massively overrated, who had made a killing out of our incompetent club and are pissed off that they'll soon be kicked off the gravy train. They are probably working with one another to a certain extent hence why the methods used are similar (embarrassing the club in public, leaks, interviews, certain youtube channels defending them (United stand - Garnacho, Muppetiers - Rashford) though they are being careful not to make it too obvious.
Yeah that’s exactly what I think too. They know how huge the gravy train United is and how huge it is compared to the clubs they are linked to especially when you consider how obsessed this generation is with social media for their clicks and popularity.
 
Except this season we have players that are better than him. If he wants to start he needs to raise his levels…and if he does, he should start.
Good luck making him understand that because sure as hell he thinks he’s the second coming the way he plays on the pitch and carries himself off it. He himself emphasised how important he was this season post EL final:lol:
 
If he stays it’s not a big deal, he would be good off the bench and is guaranteed g/a.

At his age and output any other club would be selling at a high range, it’s about time we stop selling poorly. It’s the 2nd biggest reason we struggling with cash and psr.
Guaranteed returns? He is one of the worst finishers at the club.
 
Need Amass, Amad, Garnacho, Ugarte and Dorgu out.





I think there’s very obvious contextual differences. Why do you think only Garnacho’s post has caused such a huge stir with fans and the press? Do you think they’re bullying him and, if so, why?

It seems a really trivial thing to whinge about with Garnacho. I don’t think it would be an issue at all without all of the backdrop and context, which is kinda the point.
 
Yeah that’s exactly what I think too. They know how huge the gravy train United is and how huge it is compared to the clubs they are linked to especially when you consider how obsessed this generation is with social media for their clicks and popularity.
United were always huge and the risk of power play was always there. I am old enough to remember David Beckham burst into scene. He had absolutely everything. He had the looks, he worked hard on the pitch, he had some serious talent and he had the famous girlfriend that made them a power couple. Beckham was so huge that he basically kickstarted Real Madrid's global PR thing. Yet when things went wrong Beckham was out and it was just another day in the office. Prior to that we had Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes leave at one go with United failing to bring a replacement for them. At a time when squad had just 16 players, losing 2 key players (one was as good as a DM as Keane and the other was basically the Ryan Giggs of the RW) was a tragedy. United's shares plummeted by 25%. Once again they left the club and no one was too bothered about it. All of those players were superior to the likes of Rashy, Sancho and Garnacho in anything.

The difference back in the day was that we trusted management and there was a good reason for that. At the time the 'no one is bigger then the club' was a reality, United were hungry for success and would have trampled upon anything to achieve that. If a crack appeared then it would be quickly repaired and if someone even hinted of causing trouble then he would be at the door. In time we became softer. Players were kept way past their expiry date, contracts were being dished out based on past performances rather then on what they bring to the table. We waited for players, we gave them 2nd-3rd chances, players were hyped way before their time or while being in the treatment room (ex Shaw is the new Maldini when he's fit) and we accepted every excuse to justify bad performances. Which is quite ironic considering that these delicate flowers still expected to be paid huge salaries while barely producing anything. It was evident that Garnacho had attitude issues. The way he irked the very country he represents by choosing Ronaldo over Messi and the way he refused to pass the damn ball were clear signs that United refused to acknowledge.

United need to go back to that era. There should be a no dick head policy and we should make sure that players who fly too much to the sun are burnt. Playing for United should become a privilege that can easily be lost if you misstep
 
United were always huge and the risk of power play was always there. I am old enough to remember David Beckham burst into scene. He had absolutely everything. He had the looks, he worked hard on the pitch, he had some serious talent and he had the famous girlfriend that made them a power couple. Beckham was so huge that he basically kickstarted Real Madrid's global PR thing. Yet when things went wrong Beckham was out and it was just another day in the office. Prior to that we had Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes leave at one go with United failing to bring a replacement for them. At a time when squad had just 16 players, losing 2 key players (one was as good as a DM as Keane and the other was basically the Ryan Giggs of the RW) was a tragedy. United's shares plummeted by 25%. Once again they left the club and no one was too bothered about it. All of those players were superior to the likes of Rashy, Sancho and Garnacho in anything.

The difference back in the day was that we trusted management and there was a good reason for that. At the time the 'no one is bigger then the club' was a reality, United were hungry for success and would have trampled upon anything to achieve that. If a crack appeared then it would be quickly repaired and if someone even hinted of causing trouble then he would be at the door. In time we became softer. Players were kept way past their expiry date, contracts were being dished out based on past performances rather then on what they bring to the table. We waited for players, we gave them 2nd-3rd chances, players were hyped way before their time or while being in the treatment room (ex Shaw is the new Maldini when he's fit) and we accepted every excuse to justify bad performances. Which is quite ironic considering that these delicate flowers still expected to be paid huge salaries while barely producing anything. It was evident that Garnacho had attitude issues. The way he irked the very country he represents by choosing Ronaldo over Messi and the way he refused to pass the damn ball were clear signs that United refused to acknowledge.

United need to go back to that era. There should be a no dick head policy and we should make sure that players who fly too much to the sun are burnt. Playing for United should become a privilege that can easily be lost if you misstep

What is wrong with that?

Garnacho's game is much more similar to Ronaldo's skillset than Messi's or Maradona's.

It's his favourite player & he is allowed to have idols outside his own country. If he was spotted wearing a Ronaldo shirt in front his Lambhorgini then everyone would be saying AWW how cute it is.

If one of our players said their favourite midfielder of all time is not Keane but Viera its not a bad thing.

Many of us pretended that RVN was better than Henry back in the day - but a decade or two later most of us know that Henry was the better player.

That's still an opinion but that doesn't make us bad fans for us to appreciate our rivals.

I'm in a very significant minority here but when I watch CL i sometimes prefer PL rivals winning it than some team like Barcelona & Real Madrid winning it every 2 years. I just find it more interesting.

My favourite game ever is also not a United game, its AC Milan Vs Liverpool 2005. I loved AC Milan back in their prime and was my 2nd favourite team in the world but I absolutely loved the way Liverpool came back in the 2nd half and Dudek's saves.

I have the ability to be a neutral supporter whenever I want to simply enjoy the sport and don't always think of players and teams as a rival that I should show loyalty or hatred to.
 
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What is wrong with that?

Garnacho's game is much more similar to Ronaldo's skillset than Messi's or Maradona's.

It's his favourite player & he is allowed to have idols outside his own country. If he was spotted wearing a Ronaldo shirt in front his Lambhorgini then everyone would be saying AWW how cute it is.

If one of our players said their favourite midfielder of all time is not Keane but Viera its not a bad thing.

Many of us pretended that RVN was better than Henry back in the day - but a decade or two later most of us know that Henry was the better player.

That's still an opinion but that doesn't make us bad fans for us to appreciate our rivals.

I'm in a very significant minority here but when I watch CL i sometimes prefer PL rivals winning it than some team like Barcelona & Real Madrid winning it every 2 years. I just find it more interesting.

My favourite game ever is also not a United game, its AC Milan Vs Liverpool 2005. I loved AC Milan back in their prime and was my 2nd favourite team in the world but I absolutely loved the way Liverpool came back in the 2nd half and Dudek's saves.

I have the ability to be a neutral supporter whenever I want to simply enjoy the sport and don't always think of players and teams as a rival that I should show loyalty or hatred to.
Messi is the darling of his own nation, the very nation Garnacho chose to play for. It's also a nation were football is taken way more seriously when compared to the old continent. Players there tend to choose nation over their club and that include greedy buggers such as Heinze.

You don't go into that sort of thorny issue if you could help it. Unfortunately garnacho isn't known for his good judgement

Once he leaves the club I look forward to his assessment on Maradona. Who knows maybe he will claim that Pele was better then him. Now that would be an interesting take
 
I think it indicates how bad an influence Rashford is.

The fact that Sancho was so quick to run to his photo with his freedom comment, and Garnacho chose his shirt to make his point.

I think it tells the story of someone who should be a senior authority and setting the standards, actually doing the opposite.

You can see why it leaked that the club see Rashford’s exit as key to the cultural reboot. I am genuinely so disappointed in him, and so disappointed in the club that they have let it all fester for so long.

Rashford was visibly disinterested on the pitch, why was nothing done?

Now we stand to lose some of the next generation too.
Interesting and convincing post. What was that game where the oppo keeper fumbled the ball and MR didn’t bother to compete for the loose ball. Not a good influence for sure
 
If Garnacho wore a Greenwood shirt there would be less outrage. The fact is, people hate Rashford way more than they think to the point it’s quite personal.
 
In another time when the club was not in turmoil Garna would have been reigned in long ago, would not have been relied on so much, or had his ego boosted so much, but we are where we are, the only way Garna stays is if he publicly apologises and pledges commitment to Utd, and that ain't going to happen.

I think the issue with selling Garna is that a lot of people view him as a 1st team player, the finished article and he just is not that and he is an a team lacking quality, Ronaldo and Nani at his age, probably showed more skills and better finishing but had similar issues with poor decision making, 2 more seasons in a functional team and Garna could be vastly improved, however I can only see him going backwards at Utd not least because he will not be getting the same amount of game time, which his attitude just will not take.

We sell Garna now at the peak of his value (for us), I would happily take a lower deal (say £50m or even £40m) if we include some pretty hefty add-ons and or a sell on clause, keep Garna here another season and the risk is his value will take a substantial hit, straight sale I think we should be looking minimum £60m, but consider we have just bought Cunha for around this and will likely sign Mbeumo for similar both of whom are at their peak and easily outperforming Garna then maybe £60m is pie in the sky!
 
6 goals and 2 assists in 36 PL games constitutes ‘guaranteed g/a’ now?
The way people hype him up to be this production machine is insane, you would think he played well last season according to some on here. In reality he was a major part of the worst attack in the league
 
Ferguson didn’t seem to do anything when Giggs was partying or screwing over his brother.

Also football has changed, social media has changed. Ferguson is an 80+ year old man, what does he know about what is normal for 20~ year olds to be doing. Countless amount of players are wearing other teams shirts this summer it seems to be a trend. Elanga was wearing a Bournemouth shirt, there was also a Newcastle shirt in that picture (he’s been linked to them). Wonder if Forest fans are acting like he’s broken the biggest crime ever.


Amad was pictured wearing a Brighton shirt this summer. Not that it matters in any way shape or form.
There’s a famous story of Fergie turning up at a house party and removing Giggs and Sharpe. He always tried to keep his kids on the straight and narrow, but if they didn’t listen or crossed him they were gone
 
Amazing. Truly amazing to see some still defending him and pointing out Ugarte wearing a Flamengo jersey and Amad wearing a Brighton top. Garnacho wore that shirt with that name and posted it for a very specific reason. A compelte and utter dick
 
Amazing. Truly amazing to see some still defending him and pointing out Ugarte wearing a Flamengo jersey and Amad wearing a Brighton top. Garnacho wore that shirt with that name and posted it for a very specific reason. A compelte and utter dick

A certain number of United fans absolutely adore this lad for some reason, and think he’s a Cristiano regen. I don’t see it at all personally.
 
Amazing. Truly amazing to see some still defending him and pointing out Ugarte wearing a Flamengo jersey and Amad wearing a Brighton top. Garnacho wore that shirt with that name and posted it for a very specific reason. A compelte and utter dick
The context is lost on some it seems. Willful ignorance or stupidity.