Garnacho (Out)

Should we sell or keep Garnacho?

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I think he doesnt have that surprise factor anymore, defenders are aware of his ability now. And thats why its so hard for young players to keep growing past their debut season.

So im in favour of selling even before we take account of his shitty behaviour.
 
giorno said:
Yes, I think you're going to go for a manager whose ideas are compatible with your current squad composition
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This comment from a Real Madrid fan... who's club appointed a manager who primarily plays 3 at the back...

Real squad composition was for a counter attacking manager... yet appointed one who loves to press high and play with width.
 
giorno said:
Yes, I think you're going to go for a manager whose ideas are compatible with your current squad composition
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Absolutely. And that would be a welcomed change as it something we've been screaming out for during our constant manager changes the last decade or so.
Prior to Ammorim we were linked with Tuchel, Southgate, Frank, Potter etc.. they all have a history of playing 3-4-3/3-5-2/5-3-2, so we can assume it's a direction the club has pointed out.
That said, that's just a numerical setup, and it's the combination with the tactics and style of play that must be compatible.
 
Unfortunately can see this one dragging long into the window. We really don’t help ourselves with it being very publicly known we’re desperate to get rid of Garnacho (along with Rashford, Antony & Sancho).

Because of mismanagement under previous regimes we’re stuck with these guys on massive wages that no one else will get near and we’re backed into a corner straight away when it comes to negotiations.

Why Chelsea or other clubs would come and offer the asking price straight away when they know the longer it goes the more desperate we get just isn’t realistic and it’s really affecting what we can go and do in the market. Can see at least two of these guys just being loans at the backend of the windows just to get the majority of the wages off the books for a year.
 
romufc said:
This comment from a Real Madrid fan... who's club appointed a manager who primarily plays 3 at the back...

Real squad composition was for a counter attacking manager... yet appointed one who loves to press high and play with width.
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Not really, this Madrid team is built to play in many ways. More importantly, we're not in need of fixing several holes in the squad on a limited budget and spending said budget on players potentially incompatible with the manager, nor did we hire a manager incompatible with the squad

A manager, who, btw, is very much going to have to adapt to the players(indeed, you can already see some of that through the experiments at this CWC)
 
giorno said:
Not really, this Madrid team is built to play in many ways. More importantly, we're not in need of fixing several holes in the squad on a limited budget and spending said budget on players potentially incompatible with the manager, nor did we hire a manager incompatible with the squad

A manager, who, btw, is very much going to have to adapt to the players(indeed, you can already see some of that through the experiments at this CWC)
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Apples and oranges

A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a world class set of players makes sense

A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a bunch of melons does not make sense. You just get rid of the melons. Or, oranges
 
giorno said:
Not really, this Madrid team is built to play in many ways. More importantly, we're not in need of fixing several holes in the squad on a limited budget and spending said budget on players potentially incompatible with the manager

A manager, who, btw, is very much going to have to adapt to the players(indeed, you can already see some of that through the experiments at this CWC)
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From watching Madrid over the last 3/4 years, primarily in big games, they seem to have 1 way of playing.. soak pressure and hope to have a 20 min spell or counter attack.

In multiple CL campaigns, games V Barca its always been the same.

When was the last time Real Madrid played a high pressing system?

Madrid have alot of talented players, the issue is the 2 forwards are very similar, will be interesting to see how that works under Alonso.
 
romufc said:
From watching Madrid over the last 3/4 years, primarily in big games, they seem to have 1 way of playing.. soak pressure and hope to have a 20 min spell or counter attack.

In multiple CL campaigns, games V Barca its always been the same.
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That's because of the manager. It was still a team with Valverde, Camavinga, Vini, Rodrygo, Rudiger, Mendy, Bellingham, etc. Very much built on speed and physicality. Often in those big matches our best spells came when we managed to apply concerted pressure consistently, via high press
romufc said:
When was the last time Real Madrid played a high pressing system?
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There is no guarantee we will this year, either, but we do have the players for it. The only one that doesn't fit would be Mbappé. He'll have to adapt
 
stepic said:
Apples and oranges

A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a world class set of players makes sense

A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a bunch of melons does not make sense. You just get rid of the melons. Or, oranges
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If you have a guy in charge who wants melons and you spend your budget on melons, you don't then replace him with someone who wants oranges. That would be insane. You can't rebuild from 0 every other year
 
stepic said:
A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a world class set of players makes sense

A manager tweaking his system to accommodate the skillsets of a bunch of melons does not make sense. You just get rid of the melons. Or, oranges
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Ideally there is a bit of everything.

Real Madrid played with a back three against Juventus. One of the three centerbacks was Tchouameni. He is not a centerback, he is a midfielder. He's played as centerback before, but isn't amazing at it. So maybe a back three with him as one of the three is a good compromise between his skillset, the manager's ideas, and the needs of the squads. Time will tell.

One of the other two centerbacks was Rudiger. I remember when he was signed, I read many times that he was "only good in a back three" and would be exposed at Real Madrid since they played with two CBs. But he did well in a back four and will probably do well in a back three.
 
I can't believe the balls on this kid not wanting to play for Manchester United. After all the club had done for him and such an opportunity to become a mega superstar if he was actually as good as he thinks he is. I'll stop there before I say something too insulting. Really unlike able kid though.
 
Martinez4midfield said:
I can't believe the balls on this kid not wanting to play for Manchester United. After all the club had done for him and such an opportunity to become a mega superstar if he was actually as good as he thinks he is. I'll stop there before I say something too insulting. Really unlike able kid though.
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Not only that, he wants to play for one of our rivals :lol:

At least the others are all linked to moves abroad.

Proper WUM the lad
 
I think the way the market's shaped up this summer means we're sure ain't getting £70M for Garnacho. If Elanga is going for £55M, Garnacho's going for a chunk less than that. If we were looking to buy him, I wouldn't want to pay much more than £40M.
 
A bad attitute and badly advised. He doesnt want to stay, nobody can defend him anymore. Dont let the door hit you on the way out
 
What club actually wants him in this league? (that could pay for him)

He should just go abroad or to whatever club will take him. He should really be looking at Antony and thinking he can look good anywhere
 
Garnacho, Elanga, Alvaro, quick rise of Heaven.

That's about 150 million worth of talent.

Who else do we have? Our youth team seems to be quite talented & we may have to focus on our youth team more than signing so many big money players.

Atleast let some youth players get some experience & then sell them like Liverpool & Chelsea do. I guess we need more experienced players so that youth teams can make a more comfortable rise to the first team.

Collyer for example seems like he has enough experience to sell to a Championship, newly promoted team. Keeping him for another season may reduce his value.
 
quadrant said:
I think the way the market's shaped up this summer means we're sure ain't getting £70M for Garnacho. If Elanga is going for £55M, Garnacho's going for a chunk less than that. If we were looking to buy him, I wouldn't want to pay much more than £40M.
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Why though? They’re on similar levels and Garnacho displaced Elanga at United
 
It's weird that he wants to stay in the PL considering none of the top clubs have a hole at his position except for maybe Arsenal but that's highly unlikely. Atlético or Marseille would be great fit for him.
 
huyn said:
It's weird that he wants to stay in the PL considering none of the top clubs have a hole at his position except for maybe Arsenal but that's highly unlikely. Atlético or Marseille would be great fit for him.
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If there’s one thing we’ve learnt from his time here, it’s that his brain isn’t a strength of his.
 
huyn said:
It's weird that he wants to stay in the PL considering none of the top clubs have a hole at his position except for maybe Arsenal but that's highly unlikely. Atlético or Marseille would be great fit for him.
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Is there still hope chels bring him in as their 9th winger?

Also, I'm sure many of the other prem clubs have got the memo on his attitude issues. Nobody wants him because he is/could be a headcase.
 
Irwin99 said:
I’m a bit disappointed that we’re not hearing about more departures, especially after two of the most horrific seasons in our Premier League history. Half of those guys barely played for us last year.
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I think we're going to try to do the bulk of our incomings first, before letting people know we have extra money coming in.
 
Irwin99 said:
I’m a bit disappointed that we’re not hearing about more departures, especially after two of the most horrific seasons in our Premier League history. Half of those guys barely played for us last year.
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Everyone might want Onana and Casemiro to go, but that would actually want that as well, and for there to be actual interest
 
Good luck him finding a club in the PL.
Not good enough for City or Liverpool - also would be a diabolical move.
Arsenal and Chelsea may be an option but I just don’t see it.

Would love it if Spurs spunked money on him.
Villa?
 
rimaldo said:
If there’s one thing we’ve learnt from his time here, it’s that his brain isn’t a strength of his.
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DevilRed said:
Is there still hope chels bring him in as their 9th winger?

Also, I'm sure many of the other prem clubs have got the memo on his attitude issues. Nobody wants him because he is/could be a headcase.
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Yea from the little I've seen of him he doesnt seem like the brightest.

I can't see Chelsea going for him now, unless they're really focused on completing the regional argentinian pokedex.
 
Crimson King said:
Everyone might want Onana and Casemiro to go, but that would actually want that as well, and for there to be actual interest
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Not just those, but I thought possibly an Italian club at least might be interested in the likes of Shaw, Hojlund and maybe even Maguire.
 
This is really pissing me off, I don't know why, but who the feck does this kid think he is really? You're a major player at one of the biggest clubs in the world at 20. Get your head down, work hard, shut the feckup, improve your game and the team and the world is literally your oyster.

Between him and Marcus "I'll only play for Barca" wtf are they putting in the water at Carrington?
 
Irwin99 said:
Not just those, but I thought possibly an Italian club at least might be interested in the likes of Shaw, Hojlund and maybe even Maguire.
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Mate, this is where I lose a bit of faith in other United fans.

Maguire isn't going anywhere because his contract runs out next summer and he can just leave on a free.

Shaw turns 30 next week and is on a big contract that doesn't expire until 2027. He was injured for most of last season. Someone might take a punt next summer if can stay feet, but we're talking a very small fee.

There is interest in Højlund, but only for a loan so far. We can't really consider that until we get another striker in, because unfortunately he's the only one we have right now.
 
Martinez4midfield said:
This is really pissing me off, I don't know why, but who the feck does this kid think he is really? You're a major player at one of the biggest clubs in the world at 20. Get your head down, work hard, shut the feckup, improve your game and the team and the world is literally your oyster.

Between him and Marcus "I'll only play for Barca" wtf are they putting in the water at Carrington?
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Whatever CR7 dropped into the pool he complained about
 
You’re not Messi, more like Januzai. Won’t be surprised if he’s career goes downhill from here and realises he made the worst decision of his life. He could easily shut his brother up if he wanted to but I guess he’s telling his brother to say the stuff. Your an average footballer mate, wouldn’t make any the teams in the top six. He has a bit of speed and dribbling but his crossing, finishing, passing, vision is shocking. Should have keeping his head down and working hard. If your good at something and work hard you will be rewarded.
 
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