Agree. I don't think the board have even decided the job function yet so I don't know why you would agree to move to a club that can't even define what they want their DOF to do yet. If you're going to have zero autonomy and be Woodward's secretary then what's the point?
Correct, well done, Jose was hired to do all that and he cracked on with it, first season two trophies (three if you include the Shield), Champions League football then second the next season, what happened when he wanted to push on after finishing 2nd, wanted Maguire, wanting further backing, even though he was brought in to sort out the recruitment side of it and bring in his own people, guess what happened, thats right, big Ed rocked up and blocked it "we don't need a CB, we will back you with all of 50m quid".That's the point
Jose was hired to fix recruitment and he hired his own head of scouting, who left a year into the job for a DoF role elsewhere in Europe, memories a bit sketchy whom it was. But the point remains, the board gave squad autonomy to Jose and said build. He didn't or couldn't, take your pick.
The irony in your accusations about "kicking off". The key word you use in your post above is, "Linked".
That's all it is, for now. United are always linked to players, almost hundreds of them daily.
If you keep letting yourself get so vexed about every link you'll be in an early grave lad.
Any number of things could of happened with the Fernandes deal, here's a few for you.
Maybe we didn't get him cause Ole didn't want him?
Maybe it was Jose that wanted him?
Maybe Ole did want him but due to only being made manager recently City already had the deal all but boxed off?
Maybe the other rumor is true, you know the one where Ole & Mike want a strong foundation of home grown talents?
Maybe he doesn't wanted to join United? It could be for any number of reason like not wanting to play for Ole? Or a club not in the CL? Or maybe he'll be offered more cash across the City?
Or maybe its all just tabloid nonsense?
We're not disagreeing.
He named Woodward and said he's had enough time to try to prove himself in footballing operations and he's failed. - despite Carragher's best efforts to derail the discussion (the absolute cnut).
The plan was always to hire a strong manager and leave everything to him and his team. That was the United way. It is only when things arent going well, that that is being questioned
I know, i listened to the whole thing yesterday though i was slightly distracted by the city goal and being drunk. Going after the likes of Rio and Fletcher who have no experience does seem a bit odd.
I'm not sure what your point is there.
What he actually said about David Moyes was that he was suited to the structure at that time of a business leader and a football leader.
Yeah, agreed.
That people are exaggerating when they moan about the club having no plan. It's not like we were a nothing club that won a lottery and became rich recently. There was always a plan, and it's worked well enough for us, until Fergie left.
All he was doing was giving each manager an opportunity to prove they have what it takes. Seems very sensible to me. I would recommend everyone do the same with Ole. If only for the good of your mental health. The alternative is just miserable.
I have to say that I enjoyed listening to him and his passion far more than I did watching the pathetic primadonnas against Chelsea.
Completely.
There was a plan, Ferguson had it. Now we are rudderless.
Do you know who Txiki Begiristain is?
Truly depressing
Disagree with that. Doing that for a certain period is fair enough, any rational person would do that.. he would stick with backing the manager far beyond what was reasonable to do so. He does that with certain players too (generally if they happen to be English).
Meh. I think that people on here, in general, are far too impatient about everything. Be that new signings, young footballers development, managers, whatever. So if Gary provides a counter-point to these sort of attitudes then that's all good by me. My personal preference would be that it's better to be too patient than not patient enough. In football, in life, in everything.
I mean I have no issue buying players from lower league or lower Prem League, dunno just all seems so up in the air.Truly depressing
Yes.
He cracked on with it? How? He made fewer squad changes in a longer period of time than LVG had. He was given squad autonomy as we've agreed, hired his head scout and just went for his usual profile of player for the most part, whilst pushing 2 young lads like Rashford & Martial into competing with each other, when it wasn't needed. Rashford was performing as a CF and Martial a LWF.
Weird mixed signals here. First you're saying City are doing deals under the carpet, yet you know about them from the media. Thats if its even correct. So no, not done under the carpet at all.
And the players themselves.
yeah well, if the structure around should be best in class so should the manager and I disagree with his assertion that we have attempted best in class managers before, both LVG and Mourinho were washed up.
Agreed!
Fergie was a bit of a lottery win, was he not? Don't want to imagine him choosing another club at the time.
Absolutely. The thing is though, United were already a big club when he came along, but were struggling with a team of unmotivated, unfit, aging has-beens, and he had his work cut out for him. However we've always been a club that gives full autonomy to the manager, and it's a good thing we've placed our trust in him. Unfortuantely there aren't many managers left in the world like SAF, and it seems like our plan is still stuck in the 80s.
Disagree. The starting point is rightly the players who want to be here. How to get the right players? Structure and culture to nurture the players (philosophy included).
I know not like it worked for Ajax or BayernHe says at the end recruiting an ex player (Rio) for DoF would be a shambles.
Who said anything about success, it was you going on about ex players.
These people are ex players often or coaches.
