Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by jymufc20, Jan 2, 2019.
He’s stuck in the past. Hopefully Salford’s bubble bursts soon.
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GNev is as clueless as they come.
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Sorry, disagree with that. Lukaku was an abomination with United. This is him, in the *good* first season with United...
Ok , so you disagree with him and that is fine, but why the personal abuse , is is not entitled to his own opinion as well.
What agenda do you think he has other than wanting to us back challenging again?
He wanted to give Moyes more time and now wants Ole to be given more time. The two of them are out of their depth.
Today Neville mentioned numerous times that United were missing Lingard. Says it all really.
No he isn’t. Because he’d never let Ole manage Salford.
Ignore what he says. Look at how he runs Salford FC.
Neville is a former player for united and a pundit. Is there one person anywhere that thinks this guy doesn’t bleed united? Christ I hated him as a player but respected him for being true to his team even if he was a manc. He has his own views and opinions that may or may not be right. But the guy obviously cares 100% about the club so why call him disgusting and vile things. Disgraceful.
How many goals did he score again that season? He's no Messi, but he isn't Rashford either.
And anyway, he should have been replaced if they didn't want him. The point here is that Neville can't call out his mate, who along with Woodward, is turning this club into a train wreck. The man is out of his depth and this hypocrite will never say it.
Don't get me wrong, we're light upfront and should have recruited in the summer. Not because we lost this great striker in Lukaku, but because Martial is a sicknote and Rashford is not a lethal striker.
Had a look at Inter forums after their match with Juve, sounds too fckn familiar:
I find it hard to disagree with any of that.
Generally he's in tune with most of our fans, including his obvious desire during many commentaries to want whatever result is worst for Liverpool's title aspirations (sorry!). It's just the position he takes in regards to sacking United managers that frustrates a lot of people. I think he suggests the potential for any current United manager to be the next Ferguson if we just stay patient long enough. I honestly believe if he genuinely felt Ole was the problem and had to be sacked though, regardless of them being old teammates, I am sure he would find a way to make that clear - without explicitly demanding his sacking. He undoubtedly wants what's best for United.
Ole (and Woodward and the board) had a half season last season to know this - but they probably didn't because I am not sure Ole is a great spotter of what a team needs at this level. Yet they chose to sell the best finisher (a very flawed one of course) at the club. Don't you think one could make similar videos about all our attackers (you could make one of Rashford from the Newcastle game alone)? If they were not absolutely certain of getting in a replacement, then Lukaku should not have been sold. The argument that he wanted to leave doesn't wash since Pogba wanted to leave too. These players will do their best in a Euros year. This idea that only players that fit a perfect mould should be kept at the club has led to a bare bones attack and flirting with the relegation spots.
Besides all this, Ole can't coach. Why can't Neville point this out?
Can't take Neville seriously. He never feels the manager should be accountable. If it were up to him, Moyes would still be in charge.
Should give me the job. I would be clueless, but I would be backed by Neville because of his blind faith that time is all that's needed. Can't judge a manager until he has a couple of transfer windows.
Best job ever. Not an ideal owner? I can't be held accountable. Good fun.
It was 2012 when they got a clear plan and ex Barca DOF team.
The point about the lack of structure being the problem is very true in my opinion. When a manager is at a club for so long, his leaving is bound to have a drastic effect - succession planning becomes extremely important in such a scenario. That is one area where Shankly excelled and did better than SAF I feel, even after his 15-year stint, the boot room supplied the managerial talent for the next 2 decades with continued success.
I am not sure of the exact structure or roles at United but I guess Quieroz, Phelan, Mulensteen etc. would have been the equivalent of Paisley, Fagan. One of them should have been groomed to take over, if possible.
It’s mad. Redknapp speaking facts about how you shouldn’t got from managing Molde to managing Man United, and this guy butts in with “we have tried that before”. What the hell.
There's never a single problem. The manager is a problem. Woodward is a problem.
Mankini was manager and won the league. What was the plan? They sacked 2 more manager's after that before Pep
So familiar with the Rom comments
I just watched the first half and he's talking a lot of trash as usual.
Bla, bla, bla, players are shit. Bla, bla, bla, we should give our managers contract for life then install their firstborn sons to continue their work, maybe in 3 generations we'll see some improvement.
We obviously don't have a team as good as City or many other top teams, but we don't have a team that should struggle against all the Rochdales and Newcastles out there either, a team that has one shot on target every two games.
His botched managerial attempt broke him.
I know he talks about changing direction and wanting to stick rather than twist all the time and that is correct.
But if we had a proper structure in place then changing the manager wouldn’t mean a change in direction. The idea these days is that the DoF or someone in a similar role is responsible for the continuity of the club and making sure the same ideas are applied throughout, no matter who the manager is.
Because we have a structure where the manager is all powerful in determining the style and transfer policy, we can’t just change when it’s not working. Now we are stuck in a position where we should change but won’t because of the reasons Neville talked about.
We should be midway through the Manchester United restoration project, where the manager is one of many interchangeable cogs, but instead we are midway through the OGS restoration project where the manager has the only set of keys!
Exactly. Why is this never pressed on Gary when he deflects to Woodward?
Yes he's a problem but one of the remedies is to get an actual coach in.
It's fecking weird but exactly what you can expect on the internet when someone doesn't agree with someone else. The stupidest thing is he gets slated when he says the truth as well though.
The LONG TERM plan was to mimic the Barcelona structure. By employing 2 DOF's who worked previously at Barca with Pep. 2 footbal men who know the game and give footballing direction on transfers etc. Then aim to get Pep (they'd been tapping him up for years).
It's not just him.
Right now, whoever isn't playing is suddenly who we're missing!
So they were just gonna sack Mankini then?
"The assumption that City simply copied Barcelona's model, air-lifting it in, is facile and flawed. So is the theory that signing Soriano and Begiristain was merely a prelude to signing Guardiola, although no doubt they would have liked to" (The Guardian)
I don't believe he actually does, he's just backed himself so far into a corner with his stance on managers he would look ridiculous if he ever turns publicly.
Genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he's on a forum somewhere (maybe even this one) anonymously airing his true beliefs.
Yes. How did that work out for them?
Neville is spot on, Ole is taking us in another direction: way more south.
Show a little bit of bias you prick. Never a foul didn’t touch him.
Did he really say that was a foul? What a cnut.
At least he’s consistently annoying. For once, just shut up.
Gary Neville needs to shut the hell up. Every time he gives the anti United stance. Just a prick.
Carragher is silent whilst Neville is still going on about it.
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