Gary Neville - Pundit

He's a dinosaur imo. You'd never see him question Dyche or Pulis on their formation or tactics, despite their being no history of success whatsoever of anyone winning anything with it. Despite it being shit on a stick to watch.
Guardiola gets questioned in his first season and has to adjust to the premier league though. Every manager trying to play something vaguely progressive with us gets moaned about endlessly. He's a drama queen with shit taste in football and a shit, cowardly view of tactics.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Yeah, I’ve always thought Romero and VDV get overrated. Romero is a hothead and walking red card and VDV relies on his pace to get him out of trouble all the time. Pace is a great attribute to have as a centre back though for that reason and I do prefer him to Romero.
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Agreed, VDV is a good defender but having that pace definitely helps him out from making mistakes or misreads in game. Romero I don't rate all that highly at all.

Neville does annoy me these days, so much of what he says is purely borne out of making headlines and attention. Shame really.
 
caid said:
He's a dinosaur imo. You'd never see him question Dyche or Pulis on their formation or tactics, despite their being no history of success whatsoever of anyone winning anything with it. Despite it being shit on a stick to watch.
Guardiola gets questioned in his first season and has to adjust to the premier league though. Every manager trying to play something vaguely progressive with us gets moaned about endlessly. He's a drama queen with shit taste in football and a shit, cowardly view of tactics.
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No one cares about Dyche or Pullis - that’s why he doesn’t talk about them.

Vault Dweller said:
Agreed, VDV is a good defender but having that pace definitely helps him out from making mistakes or misreads in game. Romero I don't rate all that highly at all.

Neville does annoy me these days, so much of what he says is purely borne out of making headlines and attention. Shame really.
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It’s all about exposure, clicks and reach. Being negative about United creates engagement.
 
caid said:
He's a dinosaur imo. You'd never see him question Dyche or Pulis on their formation or tactics, despite their being no history of success whatsoever of anyone winning anything with it. Despite it being shit on a stick to watch.
Guardiola gets questioned in his first season and has to adjust to the premier league though. Every manager trying to play something vaguely progressive with us gets moaned about endlessly. He's a drama queen with shit taste in football and a shit, cowardly view of tactics.
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I get what you mean, but tbh Dyche's tactics are probably not too dissimilar to SAF's in the 90s, or against other top sides. Or Ranieri's Leicester.

Given the budgets Dyche has had to work with, I think not being more adventurous is pretty reasonable. I think Neville's point (and Keane and a few others) is that the teams at the very bottom would be better off not attempting to out possession better sides, and would be better off playing a direct and counter attacking style. Which is true in most cases.
 
Trequarista10 said:
I get what you mean, but tbh Dyche's tactics are probably not too dissimilar to SAF's in the 90s, or against other top sides. Or Ranieri's Leicester.

Given the budgets Dyche has had to work with, I think not being more adventurous is pretty reasonable. I think Neville's point (and Keane and a few others) is that the teams at the very bottom would be better off not attempting to out possession better sides, and would be better off playing a direct and counter attacking style. Which is true in most cases.
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I think there's a fair bit of difference between a direct, counter attacking Leicester under Ranieri and what Dyche or Pulis play. I think SAF's teams of the 90's are worlds away, closest thing to 99 is probably Postecoglou and he gets hammered endlessly. Parking the bus and going long to a target man isn't clever or pragmatic or effective. Leicester tried it this season - it didn't help them. Leeds under Biesla ignored it and survived. Its only true if you have a really, really selective memory.
You dont see it in Italy or Spain or Germany. You dont see it winning trophies - you've basically got a lone Greece win against a mountain of teams winning with every tactic you can think of other than kick and rush. You have Arsenal this season leaning into these tactics and being dispatched pretty easily by a team of midgets with good technique.
 
caid said:
I think there's a fair bit of difference between a direct, counter attacking Leicester under Ranieri and what Dyche or Pulis play. I think SAF's teams of the 90's are worlds away, closest thing to 99 is probably Postecoglou and he gets hammered endlessly. Parking the bus and going long to a target man isn't clever or pragmatic or effective. Leicester tried it this season - it didn't help them. Leeds under Biesla ignored it and survived. Its only true if you have a really, really selective memory.
You dont see it in Italy or Spain or Germany. You dont see it winning trophies - you've basically got a lone Greece win against a mountain of teams winning with every tactic you can think of other than kick and rush. You have Arsenal this season leaning into these tactics and being dispatched pretty easily by a team of midgets with good technique.
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I think where we differ is that I don't think Dyche's style is simply to go long to a big man. Pulis, yeah. It is, however, to get it forwards quickly, defenders to not pass around at the back, and only two CMs to allow two wide men and two forwards, which naturally sacrifices some possession in midfield. Which really isn't all that different to SAF, except the players had the quality to play more on the deck. If SAF had been manager of Burnley or Stoke then I think his tactics would have had even more resemblance to Dyche's. Having attacking players like Ronaldo, Rooney etc also forces the opposition onto the back foot, which often enabled us to have a higher defensive line, press higher, and persist with a 442 even after most sides had switched to some 433 variation.

Obviously there's a spectrum to it, with Pulis at the extreme end, the likes of Dyche and Allardyce are on it somewhere. But I don't think they're a whole world away from the likes of Mourinho, Conte, Ranieri, Simeone and even SAF. Also Capello with England reverted to a 442 with Emile Heskey upfront.

Ultimately it's a style that is not too dissimilar to what Gary Neville and others of his generation played in and against for most of their careers, so of course they are going to have a tendency/bias to favour that style of play somewhat - especially when a side isn't doing well, that's their go to opinion of how to fix it. I don't think that opinion is completely without merit.
 


He’s been banned by Forest from attending the weekends game. No doubt that will be the doing of Marinakis. Not sure this is a road to be going down. Where does it end ?
Forest aren’t big enough or that much of a draw to be pulling shit like this. Need to wind their neck in sharpish.
 
Ludens the Red said:


He’s been banned by Forest from attending the weekends game. No doubt that will be the doing of Marinakis. Not sure this is a road to be going down. Where does it end ?
Forest aren’t big enough or that much of a draw to be pulling shit like this. Need to wind their neck in sharpish.
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What did he say that was so objectionable?
 
Ludens the Red said:


He’s been banned by Forest from attending the weekends game. No doubt that will be the doing of Marinakis. Not sure this is a road to be going down. Where does it end ?
Forest aren’t big enough or that much of a draw to be pulling shit like this. Need to wind their neck in sharpish.
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Yeah that’s pathetic. Not surprising though given the referee shite they pulled last season
 
Could set a dangerous precedent but on this one occasion I’m in favour of it because Neville is a gobshite.
 
Fecking state of that fat mobster that owns Forest. :lol:
 
I know we don't want to click on Daily Mail links, but the article explains why Forest are peeved at Neviller

"Neville triggered fury at Forest when he strongly criticised owner Evangelos Marinakis for walking onto the pitch and exchanging words with manager Nuno Espirito Santo following a 2-2 draw with Leicester.

'Scandalous from that Forest owner,' Neville posted on X. 'Nuno should go and negotiate his exit tonight with him! The Forest fans, players and manager do not deserve that.'

Forest subsequently hit back with a no-punches-pulled statement which, without naming Neville, referenced 'fake news online' and warned against 'baseless and ill-informed outrage of the purposes of personal social media traction'.

Neville alluded to the upset at Forest on his podcast this week, turning to the camera to sarcastically say "Sorry Mr Marinakis!" when joking about owners entering the pitch"
 
Of all the players that could have been named from Spurs to not be that good, or worse than the counterparts in Man Utd, in this thread they've picked Van de Ven and Romero (perhaps the ones that Spurs need the most and missed most the whole season), I guess the pair now have quite a lot of posts in their pockets too...imagine of all people Neville for once being a bit right.
 
Love Forest because of this. Unlike us, they showed balls here.
We allow this prick to shit on us and as reward we give him free access to club.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Of course. When someone shits on you day after day, you allow him to come at your home?
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He’s no more negative than most of the posters on here, myself included.

But yeah let’s ban the player who won everything and played over 600 times, might as well ban Fergie whilst you’re at it as well.
 
I have read a lot of ridiculous stuff in this thread but asking for united to ban him takes the cake
 
I honestly came into this thread thinking Gary had gone into doom mongering overdrive and said United should just volunteer to go relegate themselves right to the bottom of the English football pyramid and start again from there.

Didn’t think it would be about Forest banning him from the City Ground :lol:
 
Banning him from OT is a ridiculous notion, but I am uncomfortable with Neville being on the OT regeneration committee or having any involvement in the project/discussions. He has a vested interest due to that ugly hotel with which he blotted the OT landscape.
 
Rockets Redglare said:
He’s no more negative than most of the posters on here, myself included.

But yeah let’s ban the player who won everything and played over 600 times, might as well ban Fergie whilst you’re at it as well.
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Posters on here are fans which posts nobody reads outside forum and have zero influence in real world.
When Neville shits on club every word is quoted in media.
And the fact that he played 600 times for the club doesn't give him right to treat us like dirt. Which he does (while he reaps benefits in having exclusive interviews with owner and managers).

We really have zero dignity. Any normal club would ban this weasel years ago.
 
Ludens the Red said:


He’s been banned by Forest from attending the weekends game. No doubt that will be the doing of Marinakis. Not sure this is a road to be going down. Where does it end ?
Forest aren’t big enough or that much of a draw to be pulling shit like this. Need to wind their neck in sharpish.
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It's absolutely ludicrous behaviour and Sky Sports should have told them where to go.

I'm amazed Sky Sports don't have some kind of access rights in their contract that would trump fatso's latest temper tantrum. The amount of money they pay to the likes of Forest ffs.
 
Vernon Philander said:
How about Keane. Ban him too? Scholes?
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There is a difference between them. Keane and Scholes moan and criticize but not even close on Neville's level. But nevertheless, they don't do business with the club, do they? Unlike Neville who does interviews with owner, coach, players. If i am not mistaken he is even in some task group regarding new stadium.
I repeat; ANY other club would ban him long time ago.

To be clear; i don't mean in terms "you can't get near stadium". I mean in business terms. Fergie banned journo for asking one simple question about Giggs. :)
 
Adz_99 said:
It's absolutely ludicrous behaviour and Sky Sports should have told them where to go.

I'm amazed Sky Sports don't have some kind of access rights in their contract that would trump fatso's latest temper tantrum. The amount of money they pay to the likes of Forest ffs.
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I am with Forest 100%. Not (just) because it is Neville in question. Pundits (some of them) are talking shit way too much these days and they think that they are untouchable. If "regular" journos can be banned, why pundits couldn't?
United banned multiple journos in some periods so......what is the problem with Forest banning Gary fecking Neville?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am with Forest 100%. Not (just) because it is Neville in question. Pundits (some of them) are talking shit way too much these days and they think that they are untouchable. If "regular" journos can be banned, why pundits couldn't?
United banned multiple journos in some periods so......what is the problem with Forest banning Gary fecking Neville?
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The difference is a journalist isn't paying clubs to attend press conferences. Sky Sports are paying a fortune to broadcast games.
 
Adz_99 said:
The difference is a journalist isn't paying clubs to attend press conferences. Sky Sports are paying a fortune to broadcast games.
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Then they should talk with their employee how to behave. If you are paying me for something that doesn't mean that you can treat me like shit.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am with Forest 100%. Not (just) because it is Neville in question. Pundits (some of them) are talking shit way too much these days and they think that they are untouchable. If "regular" journos can be banned, why pundits couldn't?
United banned multiple journos in some periods so......what is the problem with Forest banning Gary fecking Neville?
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What is the motivation for any club to let in any pundit or any commentator who ever says anything negative about them? Every club in the league could just hand-pick the pundits they like who are always positive and ban the rest, and broadcasters are powerless, they can only cover the games with pundits that have been pre-approved by the home team for being positive about the club. And if any of those pundits ever stop being positive, they'll soon see themselves on the banned list.

It would turn the game into a complete farce.
 
Vernon Philander said:
How about Keane. Ban him too? Scholes?
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If you watch the overlap thing where Jaime and Scholes sit in a sofa talking with fans, this week Scholes talks about how he was banned from a UTD match because he has changed his bank card.
 
Dominos said:
What is the motivation for any club to let in any pundit or any commentator who ever says anything negative about them? Every club in the league could just hand-pick the pundits they like who are always positive and ban the rest, and broadcasters are powerless, they can only cover the games with pundits that have been pre-approved by the home team for being positive about the club. And if any of those pundits ever stop being positive, they'll soon see themselves on the banned list.

It would turn the game into a complete farce.
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How come there were no problems in the past with clubs and people hired by broadcaster to do the game? Because broadcasters hired competent people.
That is a problem with hiring ex players as pundits these days. Unlike ex managers who take objective and analytical approach (well, Keane aside) ex players don't have knowledge to do so. So they behave basically like fans.
Broadcasters should raise standards about people who do matchday game. People like Neville, Scholes, Carragher......should stick working on podcasts.
 
That Forest owner is a fecking weirdo to say the least. That's classic Trump behaviour.
 
Ludens the Red said:


He’s been banned by Forest from attending the weekends game. No doubt that will be the doing of Marinakis. Not sure this is a road to be going down. Where does it end ?
Forest aren’t big enough or that much of a draw to be pulling shit like this. Need to wind their neck in sharpish.
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Childish but I actually kind of agree with them.

Why is it ok for Neville to be completely unprofessional as a paid pundit and make ridiculous statements that slander clubs or individuals? But it's not ok when for someone to defend themselves from it?

As long as he thinks it's ok to behave like a child/moron there shouldn't be an issue with people treating him like one.
 
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