Gary Neville - Pundit

But apparently he still hates United!

He doesn't hate United, but he goes out of his way to appear not biased. It's one thing for the players to face criticism from pundits, but when it comes from United legends it has more weight, because they know the fans listen more to those legends.

Neville, Keano, and Scholes are brutal in their criticism, to the point of being cruel at time, while if you watch Rio, you can see the real fan in him, you can see how biased he is, and how he tries not to be harsh.
 
He doesn't hate United, but he goes out of his way to appear not biased. It's one thing for the players to face criticism from pundits, but when it comes from United legends it has more weight, because they know the fans listen more to those legends.

Neville, Keano, and Scholes are brutal in their criticism, to the point of being cruel at time, while if you watch Rio, you can see the real fan in him, you can see how biased he is, and how he tries not to be harsh.

If United fans want to hear “legends” gloss over terrible performances and consistently spin small positives, go get a MUTV subscription.

I think Neville is pretty objective. He can’t be doing punditry or commentary like he’s on a YouTube fan channel.
 
If United fans want to hear “legends” gloss over terrible performances and consistently spin small positives, go get a MUTV subscription.

I think Neville is pretty objective. He can’t be doing punditry or commentary like he’s on a YouTube fan channel.

What's objective about making fun of Martinez's height?

Also my point is that it hurts the players more than anything coming from other pundits.
 
He’s spot on about the United DNA.

100%.

There are people who like to be cynical about or even mock the United DNA stuff.

But if you close your eyes and think about 'a Man Utd team' we will all think of roughly the same thing. None of us could coach a bunch of millionaires to do it. But we know it when we see it.

And you can tell without a telescope that it will never be 523, ultraconservative football that makes our wide forwards less important than our wing backs and removes the Cantona/Yorke/Rooney role from the starting XI.

INEOS misprofiled the club if they thought Ruben Amorim was a good fit for Man Utd. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake again.
 
What's objective about making fun of Martinez's height?

Can you find me that quote?

Also my point is that it hurts the players more than anything coming from other pundits.

How do you know what hurts the players?
Or are you just projecting your thin skin, onto them?

Football players are tough. They have to be to play in front of tens of thousands of opposition fans at away grounds. Not to mention the mental toughness to make it to the top and past so many other aspiring players.

If you want to criticize a group of people, criticize the fans. How many negative Dalot post / tweets / instagrams have we seen in the last week? All way more critical than anything an ex United pundit has said.
 
Can you find me that quote?



How do you know what hurts the players?
Or are you just projecting your thin skin, onto them?

Football players are tough. They have to be to play in front of tens of thousands of opposition fans at away grounds. Not to mention the mental toughness to make it to the top and past so many other aspiring players.

If you want to criticize a group of people, criticize the fans. How many negative Dalot post / tweets / instagrams have we seen in the last week? All way more critical than anything an ex United pundit has said.

Butt and scholes did that few days ago in the podcast.

Scholes: “Martinez against Haaland,” followed by a wince.

To which Butt responded: “Haaland would pick Martinez up and run with him. You know when you see a dad at school running down the road with a little toddler.”

Scholes concluded: “He’d score, then throw him in the net.”
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And this is what Eriksen had to say after leaving the club:

Ex-Manchester United midfielder Christian Eriksen has claimed that former players in prominent media positions don’t “help” the current squad when opinions become too “negative”.

Eriksen suggested that fans are likely to “follow their heroes on TV”—the likes of Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Paul Scholes who have been ruthlessly critical of their former club in recent years.

“You see how big the club is, how much people want to be involved with the club, even on the media attention. I think even now we speak about United here. It’s just the power of the club,” the Denmark international, now at Wolfsburg after leaving Old Trafford in the summer, told ESPN.

“Obviously the more opinionated, the more feelings towards the club are negative, the tougher it is, because the fans follow their heroes on the TV and it doesn’t help the players at the club.”
 
He's just an egotistical prat. Even today, he couldn't wait to talk about Arsenal and how United had given them the title.

I don't doubt that he has an affinity for the club, but it's pretty clear that like with Jamie Carragher he has this insecure need to stay relevant even though he's no longer playing.

Like a lot of these mouthpieces they're very nostalgic for the time in which they played, and so deep down they don't really want United to be as successful as they were.

If they truly cared about Manchester United, they would do what David Beckham does and just do something else. I am not saying Beckham would be a good pundit but if he showed an interest his name would get him the gig. But he's clearly avoided punditry because he doesn't want to be in a position in which he has to criticise the club for coin.
 
I mean, we had a match against Liverpool this season when people were losing their shit because he said

"Utd have to get to half time with the lead"

And using it as evidence of his anti Utd bias.

What exactly did he say today that pissed people off? Was it really just thinking a couple of 50/50 foul calls on Dorgu were not free kicks?

It seems to be just a default match day experience now.

Bitch about Neville

Bitch about the refs being out to get us

Yawn.
 
He's just an egotistical prat. Even today, he couldn't wait to talk about Arsenal and how United had given them the title.

I don't doubt that he has an affinity for the club, but it's pretty clear that like with Jamie Carragher he has this insecure need to stay relevant even though he's no longer playing.

Like a lot of these mouthpieces they're very nostalgic for the time in which they played, and so deep down they don't really want United to be as successful as they were.

If they truly cared about Manchester United, they would do what David Beckham does and just do something else. I am not saying Beckham would be a good pundit but if he showed an interest his name would get him the gig. But he's clearly avoided punditry because he doesn't want to be in a position in which he has to criticise the club for coin.
Jesus Christ he’s absolutely raved about how good we were all day. He can’t win.

fecking love Nev.
 
He's just an egotistical prat. Even today, he couldn't wait to talk about Arsenal and how United had given them the title.

I don't doubt that he has an affinity for the club, but it's pretty clear that like with Jamie Carragher he has this insecure need to stay relevant even though he's no longer playing.

Like a lot of these mouthpieces they're very nostalgic for the time in which they played, and so deep down they don't really want United to be as successful as they were.

If they truly cared about Manchester United, they would do what David Beckham does and just do something else. I am not saying Beckham would be a good pundit but if he showed an interest his name would get him the gig. But he's clearly avoided punditry because he doesn't want to be in a position in which he has to criticise the club for coin.
What complete and utter nonsense!
 
I mean, we had a match against Liverpool this season when people were losing their shit because he said

"Utd have to get to half time with the lead"

And using it as evidence of his anti Utd bias.

What exactly did he say today that pissed people off? Was it really just thinking a couple of 50/50 foul calls on Dorgu were not free kicks?

It seems to be just a default match day experience now.

Bitch about Neville

Bitch about the refs being out to get us

Yawn.

Certain fans seemingly can’t wait to complain about other fans (and spend all their time doing so) It’s equally as baffling and tiresome.

There was enough controversy today, and enough inconsistency from both the officials and Neville to discuss.
 
I moan about him a fair bit but his little podcast after the game was pretty spot on. He may be a bit insufferable but he does obviously love the club and you can tell he’s pining for good football like just like the rest of us.

It’s a bit weird having to say that but some seem to genuinely think he has poor intentions towards the club. Just listen to him in the background when that first goes in.
 
Butt and scholes did that few days ago in the podcast.

Scholes: “Martinez against Haaland,” followed by a wince.

To which Butt responded: “Haaland would pick Martinez up and run with him. You know when you see a dad at school running down the road with a little toddler.”

Scholes concluded: “He’d score, then throw him in the net.”
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I said Neville was objective….

I think Neville is pretty objective.

Never mentioned Butt or Scholes. This is the Neville thread, you know?

-And this is what Eriksen had to say after leaving the club:

Ex-Manchester United midfielder Christian Eriksen has claimed that former players in prominent media positions don’t “help” the current squad when opinions become too “negative”.

Eriksen suggested that fans are likely to “follow their heroes on TV”—the likes of Gary Neville, Roy Keane and Paul Scholes who have been ruthlessly critical of their former club in recent years.

“You see how big the club is, how much people want to be involved with the club, even on the media attention. I think even now we speak about United here. It’s just the power of the club,” the Denmark international, now at Wolfsburg after leaving Old Trafford in the summer, told ESPN.

“Obviously the more opinionated, the more feelings towards the club are negative, the tougher it is, because the fans follow their heroes on the TV and it doesn’t help the players at the club.”

Obviously he didn’t have the heart to be a United player!
 
Gary is a dumb tool. Captain obvious. Cringe. No insights. Just some meandering points. Him and Carragher deserve each other and not sure who I dislike more.
 
United fans (and maybe football fans in general) are a special breed. Some genuinely believe that Gary Neville, of all people, doesn't passionately love the club as much as any of us. His whole life has been Manchester United.
 
I am usually critical of Gary but thought he was good today. Whether the change was him or me, who could say.

We played well

Or maybe United playing the way that United should be playing?

Exactly this ain't rocket science United play well everyone thinks he changed his commentary instead of thinking he changes his commentary because United played well
 
I have an honest question that is a bit of a diversion but I just saw this video
[MEDIA]

Does this not sound exactly like what Gary was saying about always being aggressive and positive and passing forward quickly? And the way one is perceived as a dinosaur vs. what can be dressed up with complicated terminology?

I've been seeing this snobbishness more and more when it comes to coaches who come from a typical British football culture. There's a tendency to dismiss their ideas as unsophisticated or old fashioned whereas there is a tendency to intellectualize the football in other countries.
 
I have an honest question that is a bit of a diversion but I just saw this video
[MEDIA]

Does this not sound exactly like what Gary was saying about always being aggressive and positive and passing forward quickly? And the way one is perceived as a dinosaur vs. what can be dressed up with complicated terminology?

I've been seeing this snobbishness more and more when it comes to coaches who come from a typical British football culture. There's a tendency to dismiss their ideas as unsophisticated or old fashioned whereas there is a tendency to intellectualize the football in other countries.


You see this when it comes to players too. So many want to give Zirkzee time, or “see a player in there” because he has a nice touch and can pass with the outside of his boot. He’s the very epitome of flattering to deceive, offers literally nothing most of the time and lacks any effectiveness on the pitch. But he’s what a hipster’s idea of a footballer would be so he gets a free pass. You see this in managers, teams, tactics and players. It’s what’s lead to a lot of football becoming tedious and awful to watch.

You saw it today; we have been derided for having no control of games and playing counter attacking football. We dominated a match and could have had 5 goals from 32% possession. Man City had all the ball and looked as threatening at a stick of celery, it was pointless possession and control for the sake of pointless possession and control.
 
Gary is a dumb tool. Captain obvious. Cringe. No insights. Just some meandering points. Him and Carragher deserve each other and not sure who I dislike more.
His whole "United way" spiel on the Overlap recently was so infantile. What he described was essentially a flavor of football that many teams have played. United themselves have played different styles even under Fergie. These guys are going senile in their echo chambers.
 
United fans (and maybe football fans in general) are a special breed. Some genuinely believe that Gary Neville, of all people, doesn't passionately love the club as much as any of us. His whole life has been Manchester United.
Nobody is questioning his love for the club. Just his lack of football insights.
 
I've always said, I don't think Gary has a negative agenda as most believe, he's just one of those annoyingly pessimistic fans who think the decision behind every whistle would be the worst possible outcome for us, and just see the negative in all we do (just read the match thread).

Normally I'd tell someone like that to shut up and not pull me into their despair, but in this case, you have this pessimist with such a huge platform and commenting live on a lot of our games!
 
Nobody is questioning his love for the club. Just his lack of football insights.
I'm not gonna dig through the thread but plenty of people have questioned his love for the club for years.

People even say he actively hates the club.
 
It is interesting to see the difference between Neville's in-game commentary and the post-match comments he makes on his podcast.

He goes against United on pretty much every 50-50 during the game, and is cartoonishly against United when we've made a clear error, or committed a foul.

He is much more balanced in the post-match podcast, giving credit where it is due and, seemingly, more honest.

It seems like the directive he is given by his bosses at Sky only seems to apply to this commentating, which is obviously where most eyes and ears will be.
 
It is interesting to see the difference between Neville's in-game commentary and the post-match comments he makes on his podcast.

He goes against United on pretty much every 50-50 during the game, and is cartoonishly against United when we've made a clear error, or committed a foul.

He is much more balanced in the post-match podcast, giving credit where it is due and, seemingly, more honest.

It seems like the directive he is given by his bosses at Sky only seems to apply to this commentating, which is obviously where most eyes and ears will be.
I'd say during the game, he's simply in a heightened state of panic. Again, compare the quality of certain members' posts in the match thread versus in the post match threads. It's basically the same pattern.
 
I'd say during the game, he's simply in a heightened state of panic. Again, compare the quality of certain members' posts in the match thread versus in the post match threads. It's basically the same pattern.

That's probably true too but I don't think many United fans go out of their way to side with the opposition on almost every refereeing decision.

I understand that Neville is in a professional position that requires his biases to be less obvious, but there should be a balance to that, rather than the overcompensation we often see from him.
 
I'd say during the game, he's simply in a heightened state of panic. Again, compare the quality of certain members' posts in the match thread versus in the post match threads. It's basically the same pattern.
He is supposed to be an ex- professional and a professional in his current role. I don’t think he’s quite as bad as many make out but he sometimes goes to ridiculous lengths to take the side of the oppo. It is, really nauseating sometimes. I don’t think there’s one pundit that goes to the same lengths as he does. I don’t even think it’s his genuine stance. Narrative rules.
 
That's probably true too but I don't think many United fans go out of their way to side with the opposition on almost every refereeing decision.

I understand that Neville is in a professional position that requires his biases to be less obvious, but there should be a balance to that, rather than the overcompensation we often see from him.
I don't think he's trying to be professional at all, he's just the kind of guy who just fears the worst and verbalises that negativity in every instance.

Every time he comments on our games, we basically become the object of his natural self-deprecation.
 
I don't think he's trying to be professional at all, he's just the kind of guy who just fears the worst and verbalises that negativity in every instance.

Every time he comments on our games, we basically become the object of his natural self-deprecation.

I disagree - I think he's being given the tone he needs to conduct himself with from his bosses, for maximum 'viewer engagement'.

He then annoys United fans, or a lot of them, and seems 'unbiased' to the neutral or anti-United viewers. Win win for SKY as the United fans are unliky to tune out.