Gehrman
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One thing I would definitely watch would be Andrew Neil having a one to one debate with Boris.Read today that Andrew Neil has quit the BBC to help launch GB News. Sounds like it will be the UK version of Fox News. Expect LBC but on television. Rupert Murdoch is apparently planning a similar TV channel.
What those on the Right manage to do very successfully is paint a picture of them being the downtrodden, under represented and mistreated sector of society. The reality is that it is the ideology of the Right that shapes the society we live in.
With most of the print media firmly right of centre, I'm quite worried about these views translating to tv
Anyway, I suppose I'm looking for people's views on this. Obviously I don't think so, but do others feel that their Right leaning views are not represented in the media? How much of a shit show will this channel and others like it be? Will BoJo buck his recent trend and actually appear on this channel?
Yes, I agree. I don't think Andrew Neil would give him an easy ride. Unfortunately, the pre election campaigning has shown that Boris is a bit of a coward at heart and will avoid any potentially difficult positions if he can.One thing I would definitely watch would be Andrew Neil having a one to one debate with Boris.
He needs to be exposed to his followers as the liar he undoubtedly is.
Seems like a million years ago when Boris was avoiding interviews with Neil and hiding in fridges.Yes, I agree. I don't think Andrew Neil would give him an easy ride. Unfortunately, the pre election campaigning has shown that Boris is a bit of a coward at heart and will avoid any potentially difficult positions if he can.
The Spectator can be added to the very long list of right wing news outlets already available.
I think we've been in this territory for years. How long is debatable. Brexit would be a good example of it, in my opinion anyway.The Spectator can be added to the very long list of right wing news outlets already available.
At what point does the volume of right wing outlets move from reflecting public opinion to influencing it? Because I would say we are way into the "influencing it" section.
Yeah I know the spectator is right wing. At what point in history did media outlets not influence public opinion? In times of the free press anyway. But yeah if there are too many right wing outlets, there is nothing legally prohibting more left wing outlets as far as I know.The Spectator can be added to the very long list of right wing news outlets already available.
At what point does the volume of right wing outlets move from reflecting public opinion to influencing it? Because I would say we are way into the "influencing it" section.
Those with the capital required to invest and setup large media outlets tend to be right wing. That is why we already have the problem with too many right wing outlets. The funding comes from a handful of billionaires who protect their personal interests through media. This has become more of a problem in recent years.Yeah I know the spectator is right wing. At what point in history did media outlets not influence public opinion? In times of the free press anyway. But yeah if there are too many right wing outlets, there is nothing legally prohibting more left wing outlets as far as I know.
I see your point and agree. Personally I think this seems to be somewhat an perceived reaction to importation of the so called "culture wars" into Britain from the US, "Cancel culture and strict on-going(when does it end?) lockdown measures which are bringing us all into a huge recession and there are probably some who feel that there are double standards that people are fined for organizing a protest against lockdown whilst no one is fined for organized BLM protests. This is just my perception as an outsider. I do not necessarily fully agree with these points.Those with the capital required to invest and setup large media outlets tend to be right wing. That is why we already have the problem with too many right wing outlets. The funding comes from a handful of billionaires who protect their personal interests through media. This has become more of a problem in recent years.
So, by the majority of comments here, let me see if I got it correctly:
For those on the left, who often call themselves liberals, free speech applies only when someone shares the same opinions and views as yours. Otherwise, they should burn.
Did I get it right?
Not as bad as Boris or Trump but just another posh white bloke telling people not at all like him why they should be grateful and stop complaining.Personally i've been enjoying listning to Douglas Murray recently about what's been going in the last 6 months. . Also a conservative who writes for the spectator.
I would recommend to listening through the whole thing before slagging him off.
In my experience many people on the right don't know the difference between liberals and leftists.Liberals are right wing in Australia and mid/mid-right in the UK. If you are talking about Liberalism then it isn't even vaguely left wing unless you consider racial and gender equality or human and civil rights left wing concepts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#:~:text=Liberalism is a political and,and equality before the law.
And what people are against is weaponising 24hr TV news as saturated propoganda masquerading as news.
Propaganda definitely is worth addressing whatever political leaning.At what point does the lack of balance in UK media become a problem worth addressing? The scales are tipped so far to the right already we are teetering on the edge.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hitler-youths-using-instagram-to-recruit-children-xfgnglklv
‘Hitler youths’ using Instagram to recruit children
Fascist groups led by teenagers are targeting those as young as 12
That particular article is very centrist. Sums up the situation rather well.The Spectator can be added to the very long list of right wing news outlets already available.
At what point does the volume of right wing outlets move from reflecting public opinion to influencing it? Because I would say we are way into the "influencing it" section.
It does, in the sense that some geezer is using his platform to cry about how oppressed his free speech is, massively misrepresent the debate on the left, centre anonymous twitter commentators as reflective of the mainstream, and dismisses things like intersectionality (or as I would call it, basic fecking common sense) because, err, some guy got criticism for a set about it? He might vote Labour or Lib Dem, but in his discussion of those topics it's pretty clear that his opinion on them is formed from right wing think pieces and commentators. It's hardly a smear, it's just the reality.That particular article is very centrist. Sums up the situation rather well.
Can you define what the views of the centre are?I can't stand the left and I cant stand the far right. Centre is perfect.
Its to much polarization going on.
it’s an old article so not written in the context of the new channel. I’d say most people in the centre would recognise the ‘you’re a bigot’ ideology of the left while simultaneously understanding the problems on the extreme right. Just because he’s describing some of the rhetoric aimed from the left doesn’t mean it’s right wing.It does, in the sense that some geezer is using his platform to cry about how oppressed his free speech is, massively misrepresent the debate on the left, centre anonymous twitter commentators as reflective of the mainstream, and dismisses things like intersectionality (or as I would call it, basic fecking common sense) because, err, some guy got criticism for a set about it? He might vote Labour or Lib Dem, but in his discussion of those topics it's pretty clear that his opinion on them is formed from right wing think pieces and commentators. It's hardly a smear, it's just the reality.
All of which will somehow be solved by the addition of a new right wing news channel into a media landscape absolutely dominated by right wing news sources which will somehow make everything better?
It's posted in a thread about this news, so I assume the poster was linking the two!it’s an old article so not written in the context of the new channel. I’d say most people in the centre would recognise the ‘you’re a bigot’ ideology of the left while simultaneously understanding the problems on the extreme right. Just because he’s describing some of the rhetoric aimed from the left doesn’t mean it’s right wing.
I wouldn’t disagree. I still can’t quite get my head around the Information age where we’re exposed constantly to non moderate opinions...two extremes are presented, when out in the real world the vast majority of people are moderate.It's posted in a thread about this news, so I assume the poster was linking the two!
And I'm sure 'most people in the centre would recognise the ‘you’re a bigot’ ideology of the left', my contention is that the 'centrist' understanding of 'you're a bigot' ideology is largely distorted by the enormous right wing influence on news and media in this country which presents people with an exaggerated pastiche of those arguments, and which people repeat consciously and unconsciously.
Yuck. I hated him before, now I hate him more.
Also, did you know Andrew Neil was named multiple times in Jeffery Epstein's little black book?
I believe that says Andrew Nell and not Andrew Neil, and the woman on that photo is Sajata Robinson. From the article it's included in from 1995 it's says it from a party on Barbados. However I'm not going to defend him if it turns out i'm wrong, but throwing someone in with accusations of being part of the pedophile ring is pretty severe.
Also, did you know Andrew Neil was named multiple times in Jeffery Epstein's little black book?
There are uncensored, clearer full-size versions that show the address and email address, which shows it's Neil.I believe that says Andrew Nell and not Andrew Neil, and the woman on that photo is Sajata Robinson. From the article it's included in from 1995 it's says it from a party on Barbados. However I'm not going to defend him if it turns out i'm wrong, but throwing someone in with accusations of being part of the pedophile ring is pretty severe.
Okay, I'm not going to defend him if it's a clear cut case.There are uncensored, clearer full-size versions that show the address and email address, which shows it's Neil.
The email address matches other sources of his email address, too.
Wow, good on Andrew Neil for standing up to and sticking it to the ridiculously woke libtards at *checks notes* Sky News.Tweet
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How would you define "the left", "far right" and "centre"?I can't stand the left and I cant stand the far right. Centre is perfect.
Its to much polarization going on.
Left - cnutsHow would you define "the left", "far right" and "centre"?
True.Propaganda definitely is worth addressing whatever political leaning.
But. Who or what is likely to take that challenge on. The only answer is us.
I stopped buying any newspapers years ago because they were full of made up stories and advertising.
If lots more did that, it would have a significant effect.
Same. Really dislike cnuts.Left - cnuts
Right - cnuts
Centre - most people
So if the country moves right does that make them cnuts or are only the people to their right cnuts?Left - cnuts
Right - cnuts
Centre - most people
The situation that a right wing publication is trying to move the conversation further right, but you see a centrist article?That particular article is very centrist. Sums up the situation rather well.
That Owen Jones tweet is so bad. Should be used as the dictionary definition of “whataboutism”.