Lucio's #1 Fan
- Jul 19, 2014
This thread is for posts on players, teams, eras, etc. outside of more specific threads (like the match compilations one) and ongoing matches. Not sure if there's that much of a need, but we'll see.
I am sorry about bringing this up after someone has drafted him but recently I have felt he is very overrated.
I felt his reading of the game was not good enough for him to be classified as an absolute top tier LB.
From what I’ve seen, I’d rate him higher as a sweeper. He lacked agility to face truly great nimble wingers.
He was really bad vs us in the 68—69 EC semis. Best had a great game against him from what I remember and it was our crap finishing that allowed Milan to go through.
I've always thought he was more of a sweeper than an LB.
I think majority view him as a LB as well as his best position. (...) I have read people call him a better sweeper and CB than fullback but they were the minority
How does he rank against other defenders in Serie A in that time frame?His ratings from Italy (no info on the earlier seasons). I think the general consensus is that his peak was at LB, but from what little I've seen him, I'd prefer him at CB — not only because the level of his performances, but also because of his characteristics, mainly agility (or a relative lack of it).
LCD — Libero
TLS — Left back
SCD — Stopper
I did watch a couple of Mantova/Roma games and he played LB there. I have never come across some classic big games of his as a sweeper. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable lads could suggest some games to watch. I have heard his better sweeper games came with the national teamSchnellinger's career peak in terms of international recognition was as a LB in the early 60s, and as a Mantova/Roma player in 1964 & 1965 (position unknown)
Interesting, where did you find them?I did watch a couple of Mantova/Roma games and he played LB there.
Only Milan game I've seen is the one against Bayern at the San Siro 1968. I made an utterly confused post about it in the past, but as I remember it, Schnellinger plays an expansive role at CB and it's Trapattoni on the left (TV/Footballia seem to have his shirt number wrong). Although positioning seems situationally fluid in that Milan backline.I have never come across some classic big games of his as a sweeper. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable lads could suggest some games to watch. I have heard his better sweeper games came with the national team
I personally take those friendly games as serious as the competitive ones.
In 50's and 60's those were often their only chances to prove their worth on the international level. It's not the same from the 70's and on, but before that... Not all of them, of course, but when you're playing against Pele, you've got to give your very best to see how you compare.was reading through Seeler posts in compilation thread and saw this, find it strange as im the total opposite, couldnt care less what players did in friendly games. Agree on everything else that was said about Uwe
Seeler in that game against Santos looked like Pele, never in any other competitive match he looked that comfortable and that good in possession. He was still very good on the ball in general, great player and from the players i didnt watch he is up there with Cruyff as my favorite player but the difference between friendly games and competitive ones was always clear. Even if players give 100% there is no pressure in those games and that animal killed a lot of players.In 50's and 60's those were often their only chances to prove their worth on the international level. It's not the same from the 70's and on, but before that... Not all of them, of course, but when you're playing against Pele, you've got to give your very best to see how you compare.
Based on a comparison with the few existing all touches compilations, I'd agree with that. Still would have to see more of prime Seeler (and early 60s football in general) to really judge.Seeler in that game against Santos looked like Pele, never in any other competitive match he looked that comfortable and that good in possession. He was still very good on the ball in general, great player and from the players i didnt watch he is up there with Cruyff as my favorite player but the difference between friendly games and competitive ones was always clear.
Topic closed.Don't know about the uk media, but i've found him to be consistently really impressive in the footage of him i've watched from late 80s-early 90s and even quite a few games after that when the injuries and booze had set in. He looks an absolute tank physically compared to most other creative midfielders ofhis time and right up to today. Beautiful touch and dribbling for someone so strong and bullish a runner, very good passing and a big game player. I'd say along with Dragan Stojkovic he was the midfielder that established themselves as looking like an all-timer in the making at the 1990 world cup.
I find with discussion about players that reach the top level for a while, have a reputation for wasted talent, and ultimately fall short for whatever reasons you always no matter how impressive a peak the player showed get a few trying to play the hip geezer and make out they were never anything special in the first place, usually by drawing comparison to someone who did have a great career in their position and saying they were massively inferior...here it would be a zidane, iniesta etc That maybe has it's place for some players, but i wouldn't say Gascoigne is one of them.
Wow - great find. Don't think I've ever seen an outside of the boot goal like that from a corner.
Just stumbled upon a Puskas goal that I had never seen before. He scores straight from a corner with his left foot... with an outside of his left foot.
the one thing that impressed me the most with Gazza after watching him closely is his defensive game and the fact he is tactically as good as anyone, which you dont really expect from the Gazza character of the pitch. So you can really play him in multiple roles and in different systems.What do we reckon Gazza's best position is? 442 next to a DM or the furthest forward in a midfield three behind two wing forwards and a striker?
I wouldn't play him as a 10 as he didn't score enough
Agree with @sjor here. He's comfy in a 4-4-2 alongside a disciplined partner. Same for a 4-3-3.What do we reckon Gazza's best position is? 442 next to a DM or the furthest forward in a midfield three behind two wing forwards and a striker?
I wouldn't play him as a 10 as he didn't score enough
Didn't know his scoring record was that good for Rangers. Maybe Mourinho would have wanted him as an upgrade on Deco.Agree with @sjor here. He's comfy in a 4-4-2 alongside a disciplined partner. Same for a 4-3-3.
In a different tactical era where he played higher rather than in a 4-4-2, I think he's capable of scoring more (could make the same argument for other players who spent their careers in flat midfield fours such as Giggs or Hoddle). His record at Rangers was 1 in 2 for instance and his finishing and dribbling were top class.
Stylistically, I'd say Romario is not far from Eusebio
Sometimes you say those random things that I can't wrap my mind around. First Sivori - Puskas, now this
Haha I have never been a vodka fan either, so maybe that is where it all starts
While Eusebio didn't play off the last defender and was more than just a goal scorer, his dribbling, burst of pace, shot power and goal scoring prowess is right up with R9 and Romario's style IMO
No, I expected them to be, well... similar! I really don't see any area in which Romario and Eusebio are resembling each other, certainly not their defining traits. Both were fantastic goalscorers, but even the nature of their goals were very different. I'd also want different defenders to deal with them — while I'll probably choose the same center back to deal with Eusebio and Luis RonaldoSo when you hear stylistically similar, you expect them to be clones?
When you talk of CBs and their pace to deal with Romario's pace, acceleration and directness, I don't see how it is different to dealing with Eusebio.
Technically, R9 and Eusebio are not similar too then. They share a few traits like they do with Romario. Not sure what is confusing you there.