Oh well at least this will stop the BBC spreading fake news for a while...
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I love the idea that Theresa May is shitting herself over having to face someone lower on the PLP's list of 'electability' than Owen Smith and Angela Eagle.
I totally agree that a high earner voting Tory is a no-brainer. What I don't understand is people on low to middle income voting for them.
If Labour voted against the motion in the house, then the snap election would fail. It would only work if Corbyn promised his MPs that he'd resign soon after. But it would be better than going to the country at this point in time with a 20 point gap in the polls.
The tories still have a majority don't they?
it was a bit of a cheap shot anyway. My point is that the majority of voters have no interest in these kinds of political ideology. At the same time people who follow ideologies - be it left-wing, right-wing or others - often think that the populace would buy into it if only they'd understand. I think that is a fundamental misunderstanding and wishful thinking on the part of these groups/parties.
Voters care primarily about good outcomes and they don't give a toss about how to get there. They are not interested in any "class-warfare" stuff, even if they are not particularly wealthy. Listening to someone like Corbyn is not convincing people, even if he tells them "i give you free stuff". Sure, concrete proposals like moderate raises of the minimum wage or increased welfare payments can attract voters, but at the same time increasing taxes spooks others.
(PS: people who share my own ideological outlook make sadly often the same mistake)
They'd need a two thirds majority to get this through. May is counting on Corbyn and Labour being too embarrassed to oppose it.
I wish we could have the SNP down here. I'd vote for Nicola Sturgoen to be PM.
@sammsky1 you should probably avoid running your mouth on the Internets given the obvious.
Lets just compromise and turn the whole country into Scotland.
It will happen either way (even if I vote the commie)_
free University Education but on the flip side would they let the premier league teams into the SPL?
This is poor form from you. I haven't seen anything on this forum to not trust what Sammsky posts on here. He has his problems, but it doesn't sound like he'll make up shit to have a rant on Redcafe.
Yeah, their football sucks. But surely it's worth the deep fried mars bars.free University Education but on the flip side would they let the premier league teams into the SPL?
Most people over here just believe what the Murdoch press tell them anyway so why bother with a debate?
Just as long as the School Kids don't have to study Rabbie Burns. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
I don't think she's shitting herself, quiet the opposite in fact. Told have made a complete U turn and called a snap election she must be extremely confident she has the beating of Corbyn. I will personally vote Labour as i dont trust anything the conservatives say or do but i do think they will win with a landslide victory. Fair play to May she knows that her opposition is weak and she's pounced.
I was literally wondering whether you guys could vote SNP about half an hour ago. What's standing in the way of them running candidates down there or is it simply a lack of interest on their part with Scotland remaining their key focus.
Think some of those Blairite's are holding out for the return of their savior David Milliband
They're primary goal is Scottish Independence, it would be pointless for every imaginable reason for them to run south of the border.
I've been very impressed with Brendan Cox. I believe he'd make an excellent member of parliament.
Yeah as I assumed. But there's nothing technically stopping them - just common sense.
Meanwhile, the Tories have had their third 21-point poll lead in a week.
No people are not having a go at him for possibly voting Tory.
They are having a go at him for saying that there are no poor people in the UK and implying that anyone struggling simply isnt working hard enough.
The party actually stands for Scottish Independence it would be counter intuitive to have candidates in England. Add to that there is a lot of bad felling that they want to leave us(mostly from the people who want to leave the EU. Go figure.). A lot of people didn't vote labor in the last election because the Tories ran a smear campaign saying that Labor was going to form an alliance with the SNP.
Tories are giving themselves a few more years after Brixit comes into effect. If things don't go well they'll have a few more years to stay in power before going back to the electorate. Mrs May would never have made this decision had Labour been stronger.
What does that project to in terms of seats? Must be a staggering majority.
I don't think the boundary changes have gone through yet. Wales are due to go from 40 seats to 29 if it goes through.
Which really shows how little people understand the levels of antipathy between the SNP and Labour. It's only slightly more conceivable than a Tory/Labour pact nationally.
Guess it's gonna only be about The Liberal Democrats and The Tories. If you are pro-EU you vote for the former, if not, for the latter. The Labour Party is fecked, unless they can find a difficult agreement with The Liberal Democratic, The Green and the SNP.
I think it is that but she also wants the mandate on Brexit as it means there are less sticks to beat her and party with if it goes wrong.
If we cut tax rates in half there will be people complaining they pay too much tax. Fact is the health, education and welfare are struggling for funding, tax needs to go up
Wow, feel like that should have been bigger news
Agreed. Voting for tax cuts directly equates to contraction of social services.
Ideally this should have been done before invoking Art. 20.
Gives a far more formal setting to a crucial decision than that mickey mouse referendum powered by the antics of Boris and Farage.
One cluster feck after another.
Gives a far more formal setting to a crucial decision than that mickey mouse referendum powered by the antics of Boris and Farage.
One cluster feck after another.
it all depends on where they get the votes, current polls have conservatives getting 41 percent of the votes, but how that transfers into seats is more complicated.
I mean if you lookk at the last general election Ukip got 12.6% of the vote and the Lib Dem got 7.9, yet the Lib Dem got 8 seats and UKIP (thank fully) only got 1. Also at that election the Green party only got 0.9 percent of the vote less then the SNP yet the green party got 1 seat and the SNP got 56. So a lot depends of how your votes are spread out.
So while it easy to say May will win with that kind of percentage of the vote, saying how much it would increase her majority is really hard to say.
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Cannot believe she's said she won't come and debate. She'll get absolutely crucified