General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .

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I hope the fool who asked the question will be taken as exactly that. If nuclear war started between Russia and the West it would be MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction ). If North Korea or Iran started one it would be Excusively AD, they would be annihilated. But first , there would be a crisis, as with Cuba. Luckily, we had the far from perfect Kennedy in charge then, who along with Khrushchev, was able to solve the crisis. It would be during that period that decisions would be taken, in a real ongoing situation and I hope we would have wise people's fingers twitching near the button rather than those of nutcases.
 

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I hope the fool who asked the question will be taken as exactly that. If nuclear war started between Russia and the West it would be MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction ). If North Korea or Iran started one it would be Excusively AD, they would be annihilated. But first , there would be a crisis, as with Cuba. Luckily, we had the far from perfect Kennedy in charge then, who along with Khrushchev, was able to solve the crisis. It would be during that period that decisions would be taken, in a real ongoing situation and I hope we would have wise people's fingers twitching near the button rather than those of nutcases.
There were at least three of them in the audience going on about it and thousands if not millions in the country who share the same mindset.



I'm just glad the woman got a word in about how ridiculous the talk of it is.
 

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Read some statistic that those 9 old white men posted above asked 29% of the questions in the Corbyn section last night. There were 120 people in the audience.
 

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Whilst i think you're arguing the opposite angle this is my point. No one knows what Corbyn will write in the letter, no one knows be won't recuse himself from leadership in that situation. No one ones the officers won't take matters into their own hands. These are pivotal.

I'm genuinely astonished anyone thinks Corbyn is a factor in our deterrents effectiveness. Then again those most angry about this seem to completely misunderstand our capabilities anyway.

Anyway ill shush and stop being a bore on the matter
The most important bit
 

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There were at least three of them in the audience going on about it and thousands if not millions in the country who share the same mindset.



I'm just glad the woman got a word in about how ridiculous the talk of it is.
Yes, it was good to hear her question the idea of launching nuclear weapons willy-nilly and to dear the applause after it.
 

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Looking at all the reviews, I'm happy I didn't watch it. I'll have been depressed.
 

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Ex Labour advisor David Chaplin complaining on Sky that both leaders have had pretty shambolic campaigns.

Seems like some of these guys are clueless and not sure why he cant accept that Corbyn has had a good election campaign. He seemed anti Corbyn, so maybe that's why.
 

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The Guardian Morning Report -

May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans”.

“I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important chance for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”

:lol:
 

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The thing is imagine what a labour's position would be now if they hadn't spent much of the past year with a leader who hid away making jam 90% of the time. Whatever the outcome of the election is the lesson is surely that you cannot start your campaign three weeks before polling day. Whether you like the media or not you have to construct an engaging dialogue with them is before somebody calls an election in order to engage not only your own base but to get the message across to hostile elements.


If Corbyn started how he is now many months before we probably wouldn't be in the position where the best outcome for the labour party next Thursday is a narrow defeat
 

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The thing is imagine what a labour's position would be now if they hadn't spent much of the past year with a leader who hid away making jam 90% of the time. Whatever the outcome of the election is the lesson is surely that you cannot start your campaign three weeks before polling day. Whether you like the media or not you have to construct an engaging dialogue with them is before somebody calls an election in order to engage not only your own base but to get the message across to hostile elements.

If Corbyn started how he is now many months before we probably wouldn't be in the position where the best outcome for the labour party next Thursday is a narrow defeat
You get better by the post :lol:
 

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There were at least three of them in the audience going on about it and thousands if not millions in the country who share the same mindset.



I'm just glad the woman got a word in about how ridiculous the talk of it is.
I can't remember exactly which one it was, but I think it was the bottom middle bell end, who asked the question to Corbyn 'Will you go into coalition with the SNP?' Corbyn replied (paraphrased but not much) 'I'm trying to win this election outright, but there will be no deal with the SNP in the event of a hung parliament' and the smug cnut came back with 'But you didn't answer my question' despite what Corbyn said being the most straight forward answer anyone gave to anything.
 

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You get better by the post :lol:
Darling you can't deny the fact that Jeremy Corbyn hasn't really been a player in the political game for much of his leadership and I don't think you can separate that from the fact that this surge that he seems to be enjoying during this campaign seems destined to be limited to the conclusion of defeat

Until the last couple of weeks there seems to exist absolutely no appetite to converse with anybody outside the parameters of the already converted
 

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Darling you can't deny the fact that Jeremy Corbyn hasn't really been a player in the political game for much of his leadership and I don't think you can separate that from the fact that this surge that he seems to be enjoying during this campaign seems destined to be limited to the conclusion of defeat

Until the last couple of weeks there seems to exist absolutely no appetite to converse with anybody outside the parameters of the already converted
I repeat my previous reply. You live on another planet.
 

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I repeat my previous reply. You live on another planet.
Well come back to me on June the 9th and we'll see who lives on another planet but I'm sure there will be a Tweet from the Canary that you can post to make you feel better
 

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Wars have frequently been started because one side doubts the other will respond. It was certainly a major factor in Argentina invading the Falklands and Saddam invading Kuwait. Ambiguity is not helpful in international diplomacy.
Whose going to fire Nukes at the UK? North Korea are too far away and have more viable targets in USA and Japan. If Iran ever decided to use a Nuke it would be against Israel 10 minutes before America wiped them off the face of the earth.
 

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So we've done all of the TV set piece events, and there's not been a single question on how much it will cost to renationalise major industry. I just don't get it. It's as if people remember some mythical version of British Rail. where the trains always ran on time and. Although having been to the London Transport Museum, the seats were certainly more comfortable. I was pleased to see someone press Labour on tuition fees though; a total misuse of government expenditure IMO.

To summarise QT:

May started well but struggled on nurse's pay and mental health. Corbyn also started well, but fell to pieces on the nuclear question in particular. Corbyn's worst moments were had a lower tideline than May's, is how i'd put it.

How many voters were actually watching, i have no idea, although it was the PM's best performance so far. Get a decent Brexit deal out of the way under the Tories, and them maybe it's Umunna at No 10.
I remember the mythical times where I could get a day saver ticket and travel all day anywhere in the West Midlands by rail and bus for pence. I used to use them to get to the United matches all around the West Midlands before the introduction of Match Tickets.
 

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Can't really understand the incredible swing towards Labour in London. What on earth could that be about? Weird!
 

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Well come back to me on June the 9th and we'll see who lives on another planet but I'm sure there will be a Tweet from the Canary that you can post to make you feel better
No darling this time, what did I do wrong? You apparently live on a planet where the majority of Corbyn's leadership hasn't been completely undermined by the cnuts in the PLP who are awfully quiet now he's in with a shot (apart from rent-a-gobshite Jess Phillips obviously who couldn't help have a dig at Abbott) so it'll absolutely still be you.
 

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Ex Labour advisor David Chaplin complaining on Sky that both leaders have had pretty shambolic campaigns.

Seems like some of these guys are clueless and not sure why he cant accept that Corbyn has had a good election campaign. He seemed anti Corbyn, so maybe that's why.
They can't accept Corbyn because he stands for something. If you stand for something, you also stand against something. Spoilt brat career politicians don't seem to understand that politics isn't played out in a textbook and you don't have to agree with every single policy to support a Party or candidate
 

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The hidden story on this Trident issue, is that both Corbyn and Thornberry hope to degrade the present capability in this SDSR of theirs. They dodge the issue every time it is put to them.


May would be better.

I'll take any Labour leader over him, middle or left.
He is just the sort of candidate who would appeal to a broad electorate following a May government, should that be the outcome next Thursday. Socially liberal, centre-left, not to Corbyn's level of business policy, composed speaker e.t.c.


Do you consider the headline in that tweet to be be accurate in its portrayal? The Independent did the same with the non u-turn, school breakfast u-turn.


You are asking people to make a choice at 18 on their specialism for life. To make a prediction on the nature of the job market in 15-20 years time, something that even those who study it cannot do given the imminent development of more capable AI.

And of course the response at the moment is STEM STEM STEM STEM, but we honestly have no idea if those skills will be particularly useful (as in job marketable, I think they are valuable and useful in and of themselves) in 20 years either.
But they're not even trying to specialise. Many students are attending university out of societal expectation, not because there is a need at that point in their lives. Now you allude to a worthy point as regards lifelong learning, but that will require a government-led shift in culture that no party is advocating AFAIK. The introduction of a 12-18 month multi-skills course, would probably be of greater practical benefit in the interim. There could then be top-ups in specific fields, which an individual might return to at a later point.
 

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He is just the sort of candidate who would appeal to a broad electorate following a May government, should that be the outcome next Thursday. Socially liberal, centre-left, not to Corbyn's level of business policy, composed speaker e.t.c.
He's a complete lightweight. An utter pushover. I don't crave strong leaders, but Chuka simply ain't cut out for it.
 

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The thing is imagine what a labour's position would be now if they hadn't spent much of the past year with a leader who hid away making jam 90% of the time. Whatever the outcome of the election is the lesson is surely that you cannot start your campaign three weeks before polling day. Whether you like the media or not you have to construct an engaging dialogue with them is before somebody calls an election in order to engage not only your own base but to get the message across to hostile elements.


If Corbyn started how he is now many months before we probably wouldn't be in the position where the best outcome for the labour party next Thursday is a narrow defeat
Hid away? He's been fighting leadership elections and a rebellious PLP. Corbyn has been in the media 24/7 just usually people attacking him.

Certainly the lesson should be you need to campaign from the off or in other words not make the media message about rebellions.
 

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The Guardian Morning Report -

May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans”.

“I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important chance for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”

:lol:
:lol: Granted, I watched only 2 minutes of this, clearly way too little to reflect the overall performance. However, I was baffled how poor May performed in those 2 minutes. A young woman asked whether she thinks she has any leverage in Brussels to negotiate a good deal for the UK.

All May provided was:
  1. 'This is a deal not just for the UK but for 27 other countries.' (Wow - really? That's breaking news.)
  2. 'Only our strong and stable Conservative leadership can deliver a good deal for a stronger, fairer, truly global Britain that works for everyone.' (Yawn. No evidence whatsoever why and how.)
I can sympatize with everybody who hasn't a lot of faith in Corbyn but I wouldn't trust May either. A lot of repetitive hot air but nothing tangible. I also don't find her to have a strong personality. Strange, yes, but not strong. She appears to be thin-skinned and an insecure control freak who gets very uncomfortable when she has little influence how things work out as in these kind of debates and discussions.
 
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There were at least three of them in the audience going on about it and thousands if not millions in the country who share the same mindset.



I'm just glad the woman got a word in about how ridiculous the talk of it is.
Some proper pissheads in there and the diversity is overwhelming.

Someone knocked on the wrong door

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The Guardian Morning Report -

May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans”.

“I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important chance for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”

:lol:
She contains less charisma and individual thinking than a pork pie.
 

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Can you imagine if we end up in a hung parliament situation, where the Tories are the largest party, but Labour and the SNP have enough seats to form an effective majority? The right-wing press would go absolutely insane... would be hilarious to see.
 

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2005, with a dash of anti-Scot racism.
Other than the fact the pound would probably fall off a cliff, it would be very interesting to see how it all worked itself out.

The English votes for English laws thing would be all you'd hear from the Tories, quicker than you can say 'constitutional crisis'.
 

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Wait, so they're still costing it at 6.8p a child?
In practical terms, it never was 7p per child. And as i recall, the Indy story led off with a headline implying that the entire policy had been scrapped.

Given the economic restraint present in the Conservative manifesto, i wouldn't have supposed there to be a need to contrive such stories.
 

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Other than the fact the pound would probably fall off a cliff, it would be very interesting to see how it all worked itself out.

The English votes for English laws thing would be all you'd hear from the Tories, quicker than you can say 'constitutional crisis'.
The tories would be disarray so who cares? That's just the way it goes, the party out of power is always busy infighting and being shit. There would be plenty of "Why are the SNP voting on OUR GOD DAMN LAWS" from the daily mail, but the only difference to now would be the frequency they say it at.