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Jerome Boateng has been sentenced to pay his former partner €1.8m in his domestic violence trial. She had accused him of some pretty violent things and from what I have read an expert medical witness said the facts supported her claims.
And his other ex-girlfriend (He has a child with her) commited suicide a few months ago.

Hoeness was very harsh with his comments about Boateng 2-3 years ago and now we know the reason.
 

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And his other ex-girlfriend (He has a child with her) commited suicide a few months ago.

Hoeness was very harsh with his comments about Boateng 2-3 years ago and now we know the reason.
I don't think just throwing these three things together to concoct some kind of diffuse insinuation without further detail or argumentation is appropriate.
 

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It doesn't, no. But retro-activating Hoeness' statements as some kind of wise character analysis doesn't fly with me, sorry.
Hoeneß is a dick of the highest order and I don't even know what he said about Boateng, but the two facts above paint a grim picture on their own.
 

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Hoeneß is a dick of the highest order and I don't even know what he said about Boateng, but the two facts above paint a grim picture on their own.
The domestic violence accusation alone paints a grim picture. But even connecting the suicide of his ex to this is dishonest and inappropriate, really.
 

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And his other ex-girlfriend (He has a child with her) commited suicide a few months ago.

Hoeness was very harsh with his comments about Boateng 2-3 years ago and now we know the reason.
I wouldn't actually do that.

But Hoeness will always defend the "Bayern family" and you know that but he hasn't done that with Boateng.....the reason for his interview couldn't lay on the pitch therefore he knew about Boateng's problem off the pitch.

We don't know why his ex-girlfriend commited suicide but the topic "Boateng vs Kasia Lenhardt" was a massive one in the press just before she killed herself.

And now this....what he has done against this girl (according to the court) is terrible crazy.

No one can defend him!!!!
 

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And his other ex-girlfriend (He has a child with her) commited suicide a few months ago.

Hoeness was very harsh with his comments about Boateng 2-3 years ago and now we know the reason.
I don't want to defend Boateng in the slightest, especially since what he's been accused of doesn't sound to me like someone, who just had "a horrible moment".

But as far as I'm aware (I don't really read gossip) Bild ran several nasty stories on her before her death and I can only imagine what some of Bayern's/Boateng's fans told her via social media.

And I also find it wrong to ascribe any kind of morals to Hoeneß. For starters Kingsley Coman has been convicted of domestic violence as well and that didn't seem to bother Hoeneß much.
 
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Jerome Boateng has been sentenced to pay his former partner €1.8m in his domestic violence trial. She had accused him of some pretty violent things and from what I have read an expert medical witness said the facts supported her claims.
Skipbo is such a good game, though. Dunno how you can get mad over that
 

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Though living in Germany I don't follow local news given that I don't understand German yet, but was there this much coverage over Metzelder's child pornography conviction?
I don't think so, but I guess this is no surprise as Boatengs private live was discussed in the yellow press continuously for a long time.
 

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I don't think so, but I guess this is no surprise as Boatengs private live was discussed in the yellow press continuously for a long time.
Nah, the Metzelder case was discussed at length back then.
 

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Boateng’s domestic violence case and the stories of his role in his exes suicide, paint an incredibly dark picture of him. It‘s shocking to me that he found a new club.
 

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Leverkusen's new manager seems to be positively awesome. And that with a weakened team.
 

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Boateng’s domestic violence case and the stories of his role in his exes suicide, paint an incredibly dark picture of him. It‘s shocking to me that he found a new club.
According to Lyon they didn't know about the the domestic violence case.
 

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I would be fuming if that was called against my team. Awesome match though and I don't feel the lead is undeserved for Dortmund.
Laughable penalty call.
I would completely understand if Leverkusen's fans are upset about that situation where somehow Wirtz and even Haaland got yellow cards, but Meunier escaped without his second. However Kossounou literally gave Reus a bloody nose. Certainly that has to be a foul?

Leverkusen's new manager seems to be positively awesome. And that with a weakened team.
They are playing counter attacking football and Julian Brandt Dortmund gave them very generous amounts of space and stupid turnovers. It's not something we haven't seen before from Leverkusen, their squad is built to succeed against such opposition. Even bottling three separate leads is typical Leverkusen :drool:

I think it will be the smaller sides, who close up shop, that will be the true measure of Seoane. When the tables were turned after the 3:4 they majorly struggled to create anything good, while being wide open at the back.
 
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„Siri, show me a typical Leverkusen performance.“
 

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This might be a little off topic but I think in that case it should be a foul but no penalty. In general in my opinion there are so many penalty calls resulting from situations where there was zero goal threat. You will always get the "well it was a stupid tackle/action by the defender" comments, which may be true but it still feels unfair. Reus and the ball are on their way off the pitch, just award them an indirect free kick and move on.
 

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I would completely understand if Leverkusen's fans are upset about that situation where somehow Wirtz and even Haaland got yellow cards, but Meunier escaped without his second. However Kossounou literally gave Reus a bloody nose. Certainly that has to be a foul?
Yep, i am with you on both accounts. Meunier should have gotten a second yellow and for me it was an (unfortunate) penalty as well.
 

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This might be a little off topic but I think in that case it should be a foul but no penalty. In general in my opinion there are so many penalty calls resulting from situations where there was zero goal threat. You will always get the "well it was a stupid tackle/action by the defender" comments, which may be true but it still feels unfair. Reus and the ball are on their way off the pitch, just award them an indirect free kick and move on.
That would be better for the spirit of the game, but it would open up yet another massive grey area where the refs have to make arbitrary calls.
 

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That would be better for the spirit of the game, but it would open up yet another massive grey area where the refs have to make arbitrary calls.
Absolutely, I was thinking about this as I was typing. I just feel like a little more leeway should be given especially with respect to handballs where some calls are just laughable. I would argue in maybe 80% of cases it is quite obvious that the defender did not intend to touch the ball and oftentimes it is also in a position where it does not benefit them either.
 

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Doesn't Gorzetka touch the ball right before that handball? That would give Kampl no real time to react...weird penalty decision to me.
 

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Is there no deposit on mugs in Leverkusen? No surprise the Benders were happy there.
 

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Is there no deposit on mugs in Leverkusen? No surprise the Benders were happy there.
That is really a great catch Belingham does.

There surely is a deposit in Leverkusen, but that is just what happens if you celebrate that way.
 

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That first touch was class. The finish wasn't bad either.

Now he adds an assist :drool:
 

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If Musiala and Wirtz keep improving at that rate then the next few years could be a lot less dull than expected for the German national team.
 

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If Musiala and Wirtz keep improving at that rate then the next few years could be a lot less dull than expected for the German national team.
Problem is, they are playing in positions where the situation isn't bad. They won't be the solution for the now 7 year long vacuum at No 9 for example.
 

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If Musiala and Wirtz keep improving at that rate then the next few years could be a lot less dull than expected for the German national team.
Add Adeyemi and Moukoko in 2 or 3 years and the future of our attack looks quite bright.
 

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Problem is, they are playing in positions where the situation isn't bad. They won't be the solution for the now 7 year long vacuum at No 9 for example.
You're not wrong there, unfortunately...
 

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One win in four for Leipzig. This doesn't bode well for Salzburg's season.
 

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I would completely understand if Leverkusen's fans are upset about that situation where somehow Wirtz and even Haaland got yellow cards, but Meunier escaped without his second. However Kossounou literally gave Reus a bloody nose. Certainly that has to be a foul?



They are playing counter attacking football and Julian Brandt Dortmund gave them very generous amounts of space and stupid turnovers. It's not something we haven't seen before from Leverkusen, their squad is built to succeed against such opposition. Even bottling three separate leads is typical Leverkusen :drool:

I think it will be the smaller sides, who close up shop, that will be the true measure of Seoane. When the tables were turned after the 3:4 they majorly struggled to create anything good, while being wide open at the back.
I think the subs had a part to play in that, don´t know why Seoane took off Demirbay, who had a great game and is a real threat on set pieces, and Schick, our most prolific goal scorer. The structure of our play went a little bit downhill after that.
I dont think teams who sit deep will be a major problem, we put 4 past Augsburg two weeks ago and our attacking play looks far more creative than under Bosz, especially on the wings. Despite the unfortunate game today, I´m quite hopeful for the season. With the qualitiy of the squad, we have to aim for top 4, there are no excuses anymore.
 

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I think the subs had a part to play in that, don´t know why Seoane took off Demirbay, who had a great game and is a real threat on set pieces, and Schick, our most prolific goal scorer. The structure of our play went a little bit downhill after that.
I dont think teams who sit deep will be a major problem, we put 4 past Augsburg two weeks ago and our attacking play looks far more creative than under Bosz, especially on the wings. Despite the unfortunate game today, I´m quite hopeful for the season. With the qualitiy of the squad, we have to aim for top 4, there are no excuses anymore.
Before Demirbay was taken off Leverkusen had 40% possession, 9-13 shots and 78% pass success. "We put 4 past Augsburg" is a bit misleading as well, since in reality Augsburg put two past themselves and the opening goals at that. Against Gladbach Leverkusen took the lead after three minutes with what was all but an own goal from Sommer. According to understat Leverkusen have 12 goals from 5.33 xG. Their xG difference is negative, their xPTS put them in the lower half.

Top four is probably a realistic expectation, especially with competitors such as Gladbach, Frankfurt and Leipzig having loads of problems of their own, but considering that from their opponent's setup to match luck a lot went Leverkusen's way in their past three games, I don't see much reason to heap praise on Seoane at this point.
 

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Before Demirbay was taken off Leverkusen had 40% possession, 9-13 shots and 78% pass success. "We put 4 past Augsburg" is a bit misleading as well, since in reality Augsburg put two past themselves and the opening goals at that. Against Gladbach Leverkusen took the lead after three minutes with what was all but an own goal from Sommer. According to understat Leverkusen have 12 goals from 5.33 xG. Their xG difference is negative, their xPTS put them in the lower half.

Top four is probably a realistic expectation, especially with competitors such as Gladbach, Frankfurt and Leipzig having loads of problems of their own, but considering that from their opponent's setup to match luck a lot went Leverkusen's way in their past three games, I don't see much reason to heap praise on Seoane at this point.
What has possession or any other full match statistic to do with the individual performance of Demirbay? He was very good, won a lot of duels, played some stellar passes (just rewatch the 2:1 again) and his set pieces were dangerous.

I dont care about xG, the most useless statistical tool of all time, since it just blends out so many important factors. We missed huge chances against Gladbach and Augsburg (looking at you, Schick) and still scored 8 goals. 11 in the last three games. All lucky, of course...
 

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What has possession or any other full match statistic to do with the individual performance of Demirbay? He was very good, won a lot of duels, played some stellar passes (just rewatch the 2:1 again) and his set pieces were dangerous.

I dont care about xG, the most useless statistical tool of all time, since it just blends out so many important factors. We missed huge chances against Gladbach and Augsburg (looking at you, Schick) and still scored 8 goals. 11 in the last three games. All lucky, of course...
Well my point was that Leverkusen already struggled to create chances outside of punishing Dortmund's mistakes while Demirbay was on the pitch. And the 2:1 is a prime example of that, because it all starts with a trademark unneccesary Julian Brandt turnover and it ends with Leverkusen running 3v2 at Dortmund's CBs.

No need to be defensive, I didn't say it was all luck, but when you have a counter attacking game plan and from your last three matches the first two basically start with own goals and the third features an opponent that plays right into your plan by using a very attacking setup with sloppy execution, then that's not exactly a typical situation. And in terms of attacking output it will be far more interesting to see how the team will do when they have to create space themselves instead of having it offered up to them by their opponents.