I am going to say this in my native tongue because english doesn't quite capture the nuance
Dortmund: ma andate a cagare. Siete un club inutile
Dortmund: ma andate a cagare. Siete un club inutile
German Football 22/23 | 2. Bundesliga returns | Hamburg vs Schalke 20:30 |
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Absolutely, Union and Freiburg are THE shining examples of how to run clubs and make the most out of your financial possibilities.
No you just made a shit point
Oh apologies. It's clearly a terrific league. Really high standard.
I wouldn't even call Arsenal's defeat as bottle job. City always was close to them. With game at Etihad always in hand.
Weird feelings of football. Won the league, but lost the war.
What happened to teams like Monchengladbach, Leverkusen and Wolfsburg? Last two were even fighting for European football, casually losing to some of the worst teams in the league. This Bundesliga season has been an absolute coin toss. Just heads or tails on who wins, favorites and underdogs were not a thing this year.
Shame there is no real competition for Bayern unless they are at their absolute worst. And they still fecking win it.
Shame there is no real competition for Bayern unless they are at their absolute worst. And they still fecking win it.
We bottled the season in the first 8 games. In the end, the team was visually tired from the international games plus many long term injuries. Gladbach is in complete disarray and has a weak team.
I think there are lots of reasons for this development. Mainly that the league is financially left behind and many fans and clubs don't seem to care. But many clubs are also a bit outdated and ambitionless tactically, I think. The league is dream walking into irrelevance.
Really the only hope is a European wide salary cap.
Shows how unbelievable competitive this league is, everyone can beat everyone!
Well it seems that everything is going into irrelevance except for La Liga because of Real and Barcelona and Premier League and Premier League is also a one-team league nowadays. Also big question marks if Barcelona can ever return to their former level.
It feels as if all clubs bar City have had a horrible season.
Oh dear, I just saw the results. What a climax!
Just saw the results. I'm usually not one to say a team bottled it but wtf did Dortmund do today of not bottle it?
Haller is mediocre.
He showed today that he isn't good enough for Bayern Munchen (aside from giving them the title haha)
I'd be surprised if Bayern signs him up.
It's not.But people exaggerate way too much.
When you are the one dominating, you don't complain.
During 90s EPL, from 92 to 2002, United won 8 titles... I'm sure everyone who wasn't a United fan wasn't happy about the league, and that was only stopped by Chelsea corrupt oligarch money, followed by Abu Dhabi money, otherwise PL would be another Bundesliga now, and let's not forget that City/Guardiola are on their way to make PL a one team league, with the rest of the teams watching them celebrate title after title from a corner.
Nobody who is a fan of City think PL is boring, pretty much obvious why, it's mostly other fans calling PL boring and predictable.
And that was the destiny of PL around 2002, but it was stopped by oligarch and nation stage money.
50+1 is good but some germans clubs are very missmamaged like Leverkusen, Stuggart, etc
I wanted to talk about Haller being really average but honestly the guy came back from cancer treatment this season so it's harsh to judge him without him getting time to recover.
He was a big signing for Dortmund and was then diagnosed even before the season started. That was a massive blow for them early on and had to rely on bloody Modeste to lead the line.
The salary cap could be the saving grace. Anyway, nonleague is as onesided as the Bundesliga. And even if the competition behind them is entertaining, the purpose of a league is winning it and that makes the whole thing kind of dull.
I don't think they're mismanaged. They perform more or less as good as their financial capabilities. I believe English fans generally overestimate them. They basically live off their good scouting and talent development.
Thing is, the league is stuck in the past a bit with their emphasis on pressing and transition systems. 10 years ago it was revolutionary and ensured the short peak the league had but I feel the league failed to reinvent itself. But the main cause is money, plain and simple.
Bayern needs only five more League titles to break the world record of Talea FC of the Oceanic island Vanuatu, who won the Port Vila Premier League for 15 consecutive seasons from 1994 to 2008-09.
Ludogorets is on the verge of winning its 12th consecutive leage title in Bulgaria this season..
Then Dortmund even bottled it less. They never were more than 2 points ahead of Bayern.
Weren't Arsenal up to 8 points clear at some point. Arsenal had a much worse run in them Dortmund.
It's a just a disaster. How come teams like Sandhausen and other 2nd Bundesliga teams are able to prevent the a deal of 2-3 billions to bring an investor for broadcasting the league.
The big clubs should stop their solidarity payments to the Bundesliga 2. They only should get the guaranteed 80 million and not 240 million Euro.
Arsenal blew 2-0 lead twice in one week… They dropped some very unlikely points at home. But still ended up with a higher ppg than both Bayern and Dortmund (their first half of the season was too good)… You gotta believe they’d have won this iteration of Bundesliga despite the bottling…
How will a new broadcaster make more people want to watch the league?
What do Dortmund and Arsenal have in common ???
The problem of the Bundesliga isn't the national broadcasting revenue. There they are pretty much on par with the rest.
It's the intentional marketing of the broadcasting rights. I definitely believe the right investor could have increased this revenue drastically.
Absolutely. I think the Bundesliga has been terrible at the marketing front for decades. It is a bit embarassing that such an institution is still talking about a need for digitization in 2023.
What an entertaining final match day.
It was horrible. I am sorry you had to experience it in this way. And I mean that.
I just realised the Bundesliga only has 18 teams. Dortmund have had a mare here.
Thank you, but it actually wasn't as bad an experience as you may think. I guess being at the stadium and thus not having/getting to watch what happened in Köln or any replays helped. It's a huge disappointment of course, but Dortmund aren't a top quality team at the moment anyway, so there's still a lot of positives to take from this season, despite fecking up at the last hurdle. Schalke getting relegated also helps a little bit.
Low ticket prices make many clubs unable to compete. It's fine for Bayern to keep prices for fans low because they have commercial revenues to compensate. Other teams don't. A club languishing midtable will need that investment far more than Bayern does yet if the best club in the country is charging very little for entry it had a tremendous downward pressure on what other teams can charge
Yet everyone thinks that's a great thing about German football. If other clubs could match Bayerns commercial income they'd be charging Premier League prices for season tickets to maintain the financial advantage, no doubt about that.
Yet everyone thinks that's a great thing about German football. If other clubs could match Bayerns commercial income they'd be charging Premier League prices for season tickets to maintain the financial advantage, no doubt about that.
Wow, you've got it all figured out. It really is Bayern setting the ticket prices for the entire country and not football culture and fan influence that keeps ticket prices affordable. All they need is protests instead of support at every match to pump up revenue.
People like @stw2022 really don't seem to get that German clubs are actually that - clubs, consisting of people who love it and who would never accept pricing themselves out of visiting it.
It's not like the PL where no clubs exist, just entertainment corporations. People hated Woodward for his "Disneyland proposal" to Klopp, but he was quite right about it. The PL is just that.
If fan culture makes the league as uncompetitive as Vanuatu then maybe it needs challenging?
This is the worst part of Dortmund fecking up. You get all these people, who think they have it figured out and need to spread their insights, after watching half an hour of Bundesliga yesterday.
As dramatic as this was, looks like the 3rd league managed to top even the legendary Schalke/Bayern ending yesterday.
Wiesbaden's fans had already stormed the pitch as their rival Osnabrück was down 0:1 and needed a win to secure promotion...and then the unthinkable happened, an equalizer in the 94th minute followed by the winning goal in the 96th minute.
I just wish Dortmund had been as fortunate...
Wiesbaden's fans had already stormed the pitch as their rival Osnabrück was down 0:1 and needed a win to secure promotion...and then the unthinkable happened, an equalizer in the 94th minute followed by the winning goal in the 96th minute.
I just wish Dortmund had been as fortunate...
You're right and the setup was even more ridiculous:
They were denied by a single point of GD. They even have an almost identical amount of goals scored and conceded. And behind them there's two teams who were just a point shy.
Yes, it's all about fan culture holding clubs back. Get rid of these fans and jack up ticket prices and suddenly Union Berlin is going to challenge Bayern. That's the way it's playing out in your head, right?