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VAR - Love or Hate?


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montpelier

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I find it difficult to watch it and stay fixed on Martial. I almost just see Martial falling over after the ball has gone.

I might see Zouma kicking through but still not much more than Lindelof might do to Zaha (got some ball too, but similar)

I really don't think it LOOKS enough. Ref in real time, VAR to overrule.

If you want VAR as Ref #1, I still think it's very soft for a penalty.
 

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I am sorry but it wasn't a foul. If the Zouma challenge was a foul then Zaha should have got a penalty the other night. People cannot have it both ways.
 

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I am sorry but it wasn't a foul. If the Zouma challenge was a foul then Zaha should have got a penalty the other night. People cannot have it both ways.
I think it was a foul, but then I thought the Lindelof one was too.

You're right though, you can't say that one is and the other isn't.
 

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I think it was a foul, but then I thought the Lindelof one was too.

You're right though, you can't say that one is and the other isn't.
Lindelof gets the ball and then makes contact, Zouma boots through the back of Martial's leg.

I'd say it's a foul, but it's outside the area and not a clear goalscoring opportunity so there's no grounds for VAR to get involved.
 

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Lindelof gets the ball and then makes contact, Zouma boots through the back of Martial's leg.

I'd say it's a foul, but it's outside the area and not a clear goalscoring opportunity so there's no grounds for VAR to get involved.
Looks to me that he kicks both at the same time.
 

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Looks to me that he kicks both at the same time.
I spent about a day arguing that one in here, so I'm not getting into that one again (!) but he definitely doesn't. Ball first and then makes contact with Zaha's leg.

If he had made simultaneous contact I'd say both were fouls.
 

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I'm mainly saying they don't tend to get given as fouls.

I don't mind that VAR supports that - altho that's at least problematic and possibly a bit silly.

But you're soon back arguing or retreating behind what we accept as clear and obvious. My clear and obvious isn't yours kind of thing. Which ruins it as an idea that can ever work.
 

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I think it was a foul, but then I thought the Lindelof one was too.

You're right though, you can't say that one is and the other isn't.
No I agree. Personally, I would have it your way around. However, when one is given one day, you cannot have the reverse the next day.
 

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How was that not a pen. DDG would have been proud of that save.
 

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Another weird decision tonight blatant penalty on mane not given when azpilecuta barges through his back and it looks like VAR didn't even look at it.
 

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Another VAR masterclass today. I really don't understand why they didn't even check Kovacic's second yellow. I know they don't normally check yellow cards but a second yellow should have a mandatory check like a straight red does.

Edit: Just to clarify I do think Arsenal were deserved winners. But I can't help thinking what would have been had the correct decisions been made.
 

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Another VAR masterclass today. I really don't understand why they didn't even check Kovacic's second yellow. I know they don't normally check yellow cards but a second yellow should have a mandatory check like a straight red does.

Edit: Just to clarify I do think Arsenal were deserved winners. But I can't help thinking what would have been had the correct decisions been made.
No need to be confused, you literally answered it in the next sentence? Why are you having a go at VAR for that?
 

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No need to be confused, you literally answered it in the next sentence? Why are you having a go at VAR for that?
Because it's such a game changing event it is moronic that a second yellow is not checked. In the instance of a dubious first yellow a player at least has it in his hands whether he gets sent off for a second if they were to check the second.
 

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Another VAR masterclass today. I really don't understand why they didn't even check Kovacic's second yellow. I know they don't normally check yellow cards but a second yellow should have a mandatory check like a straight red does.

Edit: Just to clarify I do think Arsenal were deserved winners. But I can't help thinking what would have been had the correct decisions been made.
Because its harder to overrule yellow cards. Red cards are cut and dry. Yellows aren't
 

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Most reds are 2nd yellows.

VAR never do anything on straight reds other than support the ref.

Another win for "Why Bother?"
 

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Because it's such a game changing event it is moronic that a second yellow is not checked. In the instance of a dubious first yellow a player at least has it in his hands whether he gets sent off for a second if they were to check the second.
But it makes it a bit unfair because they're not checking all yellows.

Let's say a player makes a tackle that should've been a yellow, then makes another one that he gets booked for which should've been a second yellow. Do you think they should go back 25 minutes and check the first incident then? Bit unfair, don't you think?
 

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But it makes it a bit unfair because they're not checking all yellows.

Let's say a player makes a tackle that should've been a yellow, then makes another one that he gets booked for which should've been a second yellow. Do you think they should go back 25 minutes and check the first incident then? Bit unfair, don't you think?
That's true, tbf.

And another win for "Why bother?"
 

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The real question for me is why they didn't review Martinez coming out of the box to catch the ball - so blatant. There's no way they checked that and deemed it okay.
 

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The real question for me is why they didn't review Martinez coming out of the box to catch the ball - so blatant. There's no way they checked that and deemed it okay.
they did, they don't have to stop the game to review it
 

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The real question for me is why they didn't review Martinez coming out of the box to catch the ball - so blatant. There's no way they checked that and deemed it okay.
They showed it on BBC after the match, his legs were indeed way out of the box, but his arms reached back in and the ball was over the line, not even close to having completely crossed.
 

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They showed it on BBC after the match, his legs were indeed way out of the box, but his arms reached back in and the ball was over the line, not even close to having completely crossed.
 

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But it makes it a bit unfair because they're not checking all yellows.

Let's say a player makes a tackle that should've been a yellow, then makes another one that he gets booked for which should've been a second yellow. Do you think they should go back 25 minutes and check the first incident then? Bit unfair, don't you think?
I wouldn't class it as unfair because the player at least knows he has to be careful to avoid a second booking and it is in his own hands whether he gets dismissed. Wrong decisions happen in a game and not all of them should be checked by VAR because it would inevitably disrupt the flow of the game. I draw the line however with a player being sent off for a straight red or second yellow when they haven't committed an offense. The reason why VAR was brought in was to make sure that the huge decisions which a game hinges on are checked and corrected if they are wrong.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why VAR didn't check the two penalty decisions in the Juve/Lyon game? What is the point of the "clear and obvious error" rule if they don't overturn clear and obvious errors?
 

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The technology is not the biggest problem (it's not 100%, but close to it).

The people using it is.
1. VAR usage - Decision-making when and when not to use VAR. This is still inconsistent in certain situations.
2. Review - Decision-making in deciding 50-50 and close to 50-50 calls after using VAR to support. It still depends on interpretations during reviewing.

So really, human error still remains largely, and a slight tech error. But we know that already.

VAR overall make the game much better, controversies are less now but cannot be removed completely.