Wow, that really was some weird reasoning by him. Fecking hell.You think it wouldve been better for the sport for City to go through on the basis of a wrong refereeing decision rather than Spurs reaching those stages for the first time ever? Okay, you've said all that you needed to about yourself right there. fecks sake
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Agree 100%. VAR is great. We finally have something that checks facts. People whining how their feelings are more important than facts - get a grip.
Get better friends, nobody should receive 12 texts about VAR on a summer afternoon
So penalties are just free goals then.
Nothing's the way it used to be when I was young. Youngsters have no respect for their elders anymore. I miss the old days when men were men, and you could trust your neighbor.
Now fecking technology is ruining football too, with all the correct decisions. It's disgusting.
Now fecking technology is ruining football too, with all the correct decisions. It's disgusting.
Exactly. Happy to water the emotion down in service of what? Some abstract notion of sports justice? Emotion is the only point.
Well it is a "penalty". You're suppose to pay in some way.
Now they have to. Will it affect the tugging of shirts that everybody screams about when it happens in the box? What is the point of being a referee if you ignore the rules you are supposed to uphold?
No try again.
Killing emotion of the game, are you even watching a game, its not like fans taking eye drops like in movie Equilibrium
Should have been implemented sooner, god forbid the correct decisions are made on the pitch.
I keep citing that game as it's a perfect example of why VAR is needed. A massive game which wouldve had a drastically different outcome if not for VAR correcting the decisions. Football is not heading down the path of NFL, by nature it can't as NFL is constant stoppages in play because of how the sport is played while football is constant flowing.
I also disagree that games have been ruined by VAR. Games have definitely been ruined by bad refereeing decisions in the past though, multiple times, and there is no worse thing than that.
Shame that with all these new rules, they decided against that penalty rule. They wanted to install rule in which penalty kick would be like in shootout. If gk saves it, it is goal kick. Game stops.
VAR might well have given us another CL title (Scholes goal wrongly given offside against Porto in 2004). Games are so marginal that one wrong decision can change everything. I get that it can be frustrating to have goals constantly checked, but I’d rather have that Scholes goal checked and correctly awarded than have the “magic” of Porto winning after a shit decision.
People saying “oh but var made the champions league semi final dramatic” are missing the point. That was an incredible game.
Most VAR will be like today. Slowing the game down. Sucking the life out of the stadium.
Anyone here a season ticket holder and love VAR?
Most VAR will be like today. Slowing the game down. Sucking the life out of the stadium.
Anyone here a season ticket holder and love VAR?
Exactly, if people think its dumb, scrap a rule instead of raging at system putting spotlight on those breaking rules moments.
That was the case on the 4th City goal today, crowd hardly celebrated when it went in then a muted celebration when it was VAR approved.
Will not be celebrating a goal until VAR says its ok.
That's not what it was retaken for. Rice encroached into the box enough that he managed to clear the ball after the save.
You don't get encroachment from Declan Rice's in shootouts though do you. He would have been stood on the halfway line with his teammates.
No you're overthinking this
The football authorities and clubs need to come together and determine what an acceptable tolerance is, and what parts of the body apply in determining offside. Because there is a contradiction between the letter of the rule and the spirit of the rule.
I don't think it was retaken due to Fabianski, but some other player getting in a few moments too soon.
Fair enough
Indifferent towards it. It is the best thing if it goes our way and it is the worst thing ever if it doesn’t.
Self-interest before anything else. Mark Twin once said, it is not the strongest that survive but the one that is most capable of adapting to change. So clubs better start following the rules in training and learning how to cheat var.
Self-interest before anything else.
Mark Twin once said, it is not the strongest that survive but the one that is most capable of adapting to change. So clubs better start following the rules in training and learning how to cheat var.You cant suck a life from already dead atmosphere in the stadium.
VAR is a good thing but it needs streamlining a bit. It’ll get better over time I’m sure. What’s the point in having rules if they’re not applied to the most accurate degree they can be?
Couldn't have said it better
Now we just need some bellend to get on an open bus tour around stadiums, with a banner that says "£100m saved from scrapping VAR can be invested into cutting TV sports subscriptions", create a shit load of hysteria among the football fan-base before forcing some batty vote on matters the general football universe have no detailed knowledge on.
Which if he hadn't been in the box he might not have cleared it and Aguero might have got to it instead. Looking at it I didn't think he was the only West Ham player in the box, he was just the furthest forward.
I’m not. I’m just extending the logic. What you’re proposing just adds unnecessary subjectivity.
Being able to score very very close offside goals has never been part of the spirit of the game.
Doesn’t really matter what the reason they gave was though, it was the correct decision
Maybe, probably.
I guess I'm soured on the fact that VAR would review that as well.
Yes I will, I’ve been saying that since it came into existence.
It couldn't possibly add subjectivity. The worst it can be accused of is not resolving an existing subjectivity. If there's no change in regards to close calls what's with all the outrage?
It’s actually always been part of the game. So have the ecstatic celebrations that came with them.
Exactly.
VAR is a necessary evil. I'll tolerate interruptions to the game so long as it prevents my team from losing to a goal that should never have stood.
The positives far outweigh the negatives in my opinion.
I never complained about that decision. I thought that it was fair.
The mm offside calls though that were given by hand drawn lines were really iffy to me. Especially the great team goal that got ruled out for the smallest of margins. I'd want that goal to stand every day of the week.
We've had instant replay in all of our sports here in the States for years. You lot just need to get used to/better at it. In several years, you'll come to love VAR.
Your extension doesn't make any sense. I'll try this again.
The offside rule was introduced to prevent the clear advantage caused by an attacker 'goal hanging'. That advantage is not gained when an attacker is 0.1 mm ahead. When is that advantage gained? It wouldn't hurt for there to be consensus on when a significant advantage is gained, and have the VAR use that point as the trigger for determining offside.
You saying "there will always be ambiguity so let's set the point at zero" makes no sense.
Yeah, it's like anything new. We just need time to adjust.
It is supposedly the best technology around, so we are going to have to take their word for it. If you allow for margin of error then where does it stop.
With the amount of money in the game it's perfectly reasonable to ensure the results are correct. It could make a massive difference to clubs' fortunes. Plus the refs/ linesmen/women are far too unreliable and incompetent to officiate the game fairly.
You cant even have a discussion, some of them behaving like they just came out of their caves. Some of them dont even understand to rules, like arguing that 2nd pen attempt should also be retaken