Gianluigi Donnarumma | Man City player

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Berbaclass said:
Very reductive view. He's limited in the areas that City usually focus on.
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That's for Pep to sort out. No one is going to question Donnarumma's quality. He's only 26 and still has a good 7-10 years left in him, so it would be one of the best buys they've made in years.
 
Raoul said:
That's for Pep to sort out. No one is going to question Donnarumma's quality. He's only 26 and still has a good 7-10 years left in him, so it would be one of the best buys they've made in years.
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Right so I'm judging him on his current abilities and weaknesses which just don't fit well with City.
 
He's a Euro and UCL winner with several fifa team of the year appearances and possibly hasn't even hit his peak yet, he's world class, no doubt about it.

One could make legitimate arguments on how his ball playing ability and certain deficiencies (in respect with his overal quality) make him a less than optimal fit for united but reading this thread you'd think he was a second rate con job.
 
Berbaclass said:
Right so I'm judging him on his current abilities and weaknesses which just don't fit well with City.
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Do you not think Pep and his staff are not tracking him to where they would know about all his qualities before attempting to buy him ?
 
Red the Bear said:
He's a euro, cl winner with several fifa team of the year appearance and possibly hasn't even hit his peak yet, he's world class, no doubt about.

One could make legitimate arguments on how his ball playing ability and certain deficiencies (in respect with his overal quality) make him not the best fit for united but reading this thread you'd think he was a second rate con job.
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Agreed.
 
Raoul said:
Do you not think Pep and his staff are not tracking him to where they would know about all his qualities before attempting to buy him ?
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The same Pep that continues to play Rico Lewis at RB even though it's quite obvious he's not a very good player?

PSG can't wait to get rid of him, if he was as good as you are suggesting then why?
 
Berbaclass said:
The same Pep that continues to play Rico Lewis at RB even though it's quite obvious he's not a very good player?

PSG can't wait to get rid of him, if he was as good as you are suggesting then why?
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There have been many cases of teams trying to rid themselves of players who they deemed less than ideal for their set vision and plans or just due to off the field related difficulties, doesn't mean the said players were anything less than world class in their positions and in many cases the replacements didn't work out the way they intended.

Madrid got rid off robben, sneijder, ozil, di Maria, makelele and many others I'm sure I'm failing to remember and in some of those cases the shiny replacement was veritably inferior.

Same with barca and eto'o and some other, same with us and Beckham and ince and many other cases with other great clubs.

Players should be judged on their achievements and performances simple as that.
 
Berbaclass said:
The same Pep that continues to play Rico Lewis at RB even though it's quite obvious he's not a very good player?

PSG can't wait to get rid of him, if he was as good as you are suggesting then why?
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They've won 4 leagues and a CL during his 4 years there, so there obviously isn't an issue with his keeping. Apparently his wage demands are high, as well they should be given his CV, so that is obviously going to be a consideration.
 
Red the Bear said:
There has been many cases of teams trying to rid themselves of players who they deemed less than ideal for their set vision and plans or just off the field related difficulties, doesn't mean the said players were anything less than world class and in many cases the replacements didn't work out the way intended.

Madrid got rid off robben, sneijder, ozil, di Maria, makelele and many others I'm sure I'm failing to remember and in some of those cases the shiny replacement was veritably inferior.

Same with barca and eto'o and some other, same with us and Beckham and ince and many other cases.

Players should be judged on their achievements and performances simple as that.
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If he struggles with playing out from the back in France and Italy then you can be damn sure that he will in England. Similar with his abilities in the air for someone who is 6'5 he can really struggle on set pieces and claiming crosses.

Good shot stopper of course but it just seems a bizarre move to me.
 
Berbaclass said:
The same Pep that continues to play Rico Lewis at RB even though it's quite obvious he's not a very good player?

PSG can't wait to get rid of him, if he was as good as you are suggesting then why?
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They negotiated for months and couldnt agree on an extension on his contract that ends next summer, so they moved for another GK that they liked for years and try to move Donnarumma and get some money and avoid issues in the locker room that could happen by having 2 #1 caliber GKs.
If he had agreed to PSG's contract proposals or if his contract didnt end next year, he'd still be the starting GK at PSG. It was just a matter of numbers and contract.
 
Berbaclass said:
If he struggles with playing out from the back in France and Italy then you can be damn sure that he will in England. Similar with his abilities in the air for someone who is 6'5 he can really struggle on set pieces and claiming crosses.

Good shot stopper of course but it just seems a bizarre move to me.
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Fair to say, you would be in the minority on this one. Its never a bizarre move to recruit one of the world's best players at their position under any circumstances.
 
Raoul said:
They've won 4 leagues and a CL during his 4 years there, so there obviously isn't an issue with his keeping. Apparently his wage demands are high, as well they should be given his CV, so that is obviously going to be a consideration.
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Again that's such a simplistic way of looking at it. I've explained why I think he will struggle.

If you don't agree then fine. You can agree to disagree.
 
huyn said:
They negotiated for months and couldnt agree on an extension on his contract that ends next summer, so they moved for another GK that they liked for years and try to move Donnarumma and get some money and avoid issues in the locker room that could happen by having 2 #1 caliber GKs.
If he had agreed to PSG's contract proposals or if his contract didnt end next year, he'd still be the starting GK at PSG. It was just a matter of numbers and contract.
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Chevalier is an upgrade.
 
Berbaclass said:
If he struggles with playing out from the back in France and Italy then you can be damn sure that he will in England. Similar with his abilities in the air for someone who is 6'5 he can really struggle on set pieces and claiming crosses.

Good shot stopper of course but it just seems a bizarre move to me.
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While I do agree somewhat on how it seems strange it could just be pep trying to tinker his style somewhat, football seems to have gotten more vertical as of late and the benefits of ball distribution somewhat diluted.

With that in mind it makes sense grabbing one of the top shot stoppers in the market when available.
 
Red the Bear said:
While I do agree somewhat on how it seems strange it just could be pep trying to tinker his style somewhat, football seems to have gotten more vertical as of late and the benefits of ball distribution somewhat diluted.

With that in mind it makes sense grabbing one of the top shot stoppers in the market when available.
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I think they are going to have to be more direct to try and hide some of his weaknesses. Maybe that's why Lijnders has come in.
 
Berbaclass said:
Again that's such a simplistic way of looking at it. I've explained why I think he will struggle.

If you don't agree then fine. You can agree to disagree.
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Has he cost PSG points with his ability on playing the ball? What is the basis of this claim?
 
Raoul said:
He's barely played for them yet. Let him play a full season or two before comparing him. Twitter analytics graphs don't count.
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He is an upgrade because of the abilities he possesses which fit into what Enrique is trying to do at PSG.
 
Berbaclass said:
Chevalier is an upgrade.
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It'll remain to be seen because GK at PSG and GK at Lille arent the same job at all. I tend to agree though, I think Chevalier can be even better than Donnarumma. But it's not true that PSG wanted to get rid of him, it was just a logical decision following unsuccessful negotations.
 
Berbaclass said:
He is an upgrade because of the abilities he possesses which fit into what Enrique is trying to do at PSG.
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Enrique is obviously moving in a different direction, but we don't actually know the truth about why they are parting ways. It wouldn't be based on quality of keeping, that's for sure. You don't win the CL without high quality keeping.
 
Raoul said:
Enrique is obviously moving in a different direction, but we don't actually know the truth about why they are parting ways. It wouldn't be based on quality of keeping, that's for sure. You don't win the CL without high quality keeping.
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Or some of his weaknesses were hidden by the overall quality of the team in front of him. He will get exposed in England.
 
Berbaclass said:
Or some of his weaknesses were hidden by the overall quality of the team in front of him. He will get exposed in England.
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He's been successful in two of Europe's big five leagues, is a Euro winner and a CL winner, so I'm sure he would do just fine in England.
 
Raoul said:
Enrique is obviously moving in a different direction, but we don't actually know the truth about why they are parting ways. It wouldn't be based on quality of keeping, that's for sure. You don't win the CL without high quality keeping.
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We signed Onana after terrific champions league displays that got Inter to the final and nearly won it.
 
Raoul said:
He's been successful in two of Europe's big five leagues, is a Euro winner and a CL winner, so I'm sure he would do just fine in England.
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That's just an awful way of judging a player. You're telling me that all players that win big tournaments are world class?
 
redNATION said:
We signed Onana after terrific champions league displays that got Inter to the final and nearly won it.
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True, although I don't think anyone would be prepared to defend an argument where Onana and Donnarumma are the same level of quality. We're talking completely different levels here.
 
Trafford's performance today will likely move this transfer on faster.
 
Berbaclass said:
That's just an awful way of judging a player. You're telling me that all players that win big tournaments are world class?
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Players who consistently win trophies in the big 5 European leagues and who are universally regarded as the very best at their respective positions are going to be viewed as world class. Its no different at keeper than it is with defenders, midfielders, or attackers.
 
Raoul said:
Players who consistently win trophies in the big 5 European leagues and who are universally regarded as the very best at their respective positions are going to be viewed as world class. Its no different at keeper than it is with defenders, midfielders, or attackers.
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He's won trophies because he's been in good teams. That doesn't necessarily make him a world class player.

He is a good player but he is overrated and his weaknesses just make him a strange buy for City as I have explained.

Ederson has won the treble does that make him better than Donnarumma?
 
redNATION said:
We signed Onana after terrific champions league displays that got Inter to the final and nearly won it.
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Didn't and got a favorable bracket. Finished 2nd in the group but were drawn against Porto, Benfica and Milan. The other half of the knockouts that season had Liverpool, Real, Chelsea, City, Bayern, PSG. Incredibly lopsided.
 
Berbaclass said:
He's won trophies because he's been in good teams. That doesn't necessarily make him a world class player.

He is a good player but he is overrated and his weaknesses just make him a strange buy for City as I have explained.

Ederson has won the treble does that make him better than Donnarumma?
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Ederson has obviously been regarded among the best keepers of his era. Not #1, but definitely among the top 3-5 in the world for lengthy stretches over the preceding decade.
 
Raoul said:
Ederson has obviously been regarded among the best keepers of his era. Not #1, but definitely among the top 3-5 in the world for lengthy stretches over the preceding decade.
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So why can't he get a game and seemingly the only side that wants him is Galatasaray?
 
Berbaclass said:
So why can't he get a game and seemingly the only side that wants him is Galatasaray?
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You would have to ask Pep that. Also, moving to Galatasaray isn't exactly some sort of football exile. They're currently looking at Ederson and Diogo Costa as their next keeper and already have the likes of Osimhen, Sane, Icardi, and players of that calibre in their squad.
 
Raoul said:
You would have to ask Pep that. Also, moving to Galatasaray isn't exactly some sort of football exile. They're currently looking at Ederson and Diogo Costa as their next keeper and already have the likes of Osimhen, Sane, Icardi, and players of that calibre in their squad.
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Going from City to Galatasaray is quite a sizeable drop. I can't tell if you are being facetious or not?
 
Berbaclass said:
Going from City to Galatasaray is quite a sizeable drop. I can't tell if you are being facetious or not?
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Nor can I you, spending your Saturday attempting to argue that Donnarumma isn't a world class keeper worthy of a leading Prem side.
 
Raoul said:
Nor can I you, spending your Saturday attempting to argue that Donnarumma isn't a top keeper worthy of a leading Prem side.
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You are putting words in my mouth. I said stylistically he isn't a good fit for Man City specifically.
 
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