croadyman
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The glazers are “are” very successful businessmen. Them owning United has been extremely successful… in the same way that a lone wolf getting exclusive access to a chicken hen is.In his chosen lane he knows what he’s doing. Running a football club is entirely different. The Glazers were very successful businessmen as well, yet are some of the worst owners you could ask for. Just because someone made a fortune in a chosen field means feck all really in regards to how they’ll operate a football club. Different world all together.
Don't want to hear any more stories of minority investment parties looking at our financesInterested parties have signed “none disclosures” and been given a tour of books.
Yeah I can understand the concern but still expecting to hear that line come out at some pointThis is a bit concerning and points to investment focused buyers. Would prefer to hear “there are those who think it’s a great project and want the challenge to turn United into the best again”
10 pounds times 1 billion fans. 10 billion pounds. 6b to buy the club, 4b to sign the best players and improve facilities.This is a bit concerning and points to investment focused buyers. Would prefer to hear “there are those who think it’s a great project and want the challenge to turn United into the best again”
For a 10% fee I’ll vouch for you10 pounds times 1 billion fans. 10 billion pounds. 6b to buy the club, 4b to sign the best players and improve facilities.
Its so easy. I'm fine with lending my crypto wallet as a temporary storage as we gather all those money.
If you cant run something small(er) how do you expect to run a much larger organisation? So of course its relevant.Do you think the owners of Asda would have the same interest in a corner shop that they own?
That the difference in size and investment.
Donald Trump then?This is a bit concerning and points to investment focused buyers. Would prefer to hear “there are those who think it’s a great project and want the challenge to turn United into the best again”
Not really, they delegate, they don't get involved in the detailsIf you cant run something small(er) how do you expect to run a much larger organisation? So of course its relevant.
I remember reading, about the time Ratcliffe bid for Chelsea, that Ineos acquired Nice as a training run to gain experience for taking over a big club.Genuine question to those that want Ratcliff. He’s not done much with Nice, at one of the lowest spending leagues. Arguably the easiest league for a billionaire to buy a club and make them top 2/3, with relatively little cost. Even less if you have the ability to establish a scouting network to sign the best young French / German players.
What makes you think he’ll be any good for United? He’s the only interested party with a track record that we can see and judge.
Yes he delegated it to his brother to run Nice.Not really, they delegate, they don't get involved in the details
Am sure the Glazers had set an artifical deadline to allow the new owners to come in and budget for the summer window.Hoping someone can answer these two questions as its the two that bother me the most.
1) How likely is this to get done before the start of the next transfer window?
2) Will this affect our ability to do business in the summer transfer window if the sale is not completed by then?
Appreciate the response friend.Am sure the Glazers had set an artifical deadline to allow the new owners to come in and budget for the summer window.
It's good for both parties -- Glazers sets a sense of urgency to close the deal (and improve the price) and for the new owner, he has time to plan.
Yuk!Donald Trump then?
#MUGA
Need efficient negotiating from recruitment teamAppreciate the response friend.
My next wish is for us to be efficient in our transfer dealings. Getting as many done as early as possible.
Don't bank on it, the Glazers want as much as they can get and they don't have to rush anythingAm sure the Glazers had set an artifical deadline to allow the new owners to come in and budget for the summer window.
It's good for both parties -- Glazers sets a sense of urgency to close the deal (and improve the price) and for the new owner, he has time to plan.
I’m sure Nice fans must love him.I remember reading, about the time Ratcliffe bid for Chelsea, that Ineos acquired Nice as a training run to gain experience for taking over a big club.
It was also reported that if the acquisition of Utd didn't happen, they would upgrade their ambitions for Nice.
Clearly the original plan wasn't to make them a hugely successful club, so I won't hold that against him.
Come on, this is really stretching things nowI remember reading, about the time Ratcliffe bid for Chelsea, that Ineos acquired Nice as a training run to gain experience for taking over a big club.
It was also reported that if the acquisition of Utd didn't happen, they would upgrade their ambitions for Nice.
Clearly the original plan wasn't to make them a hugely successful club, so I won't hold that against him.
So just like the Glazers, just like Abu Dhabi… but with results more akin to the glazersNot really, they delegate, they don't get involved in the details
Everton just came onto the market. They wait too long there will be hesitation and options for potential buyers.Don't bank on it, the Glazers want as much as they can get and they don't have to rush anything
You mean the club spending money that they generated? The nerve.When we was outspending clubs in the 80’s what do you think people thought of us then?
INEOS ownership hasn’t exactly made them worse, it’s made the club extremely financially sound and they’ve recently employed one of the brightest DoF’s in French football. Nice fans have no reason whatsoever to harbour any ill feeling towards INEOS.I’m sure Nice fans must love him.
But he does run something much larger. And successfully. So successfully that us mere mortals have no true understanding off it.If you cant run something small(er) how do you expect to run a much larger organisation? So of course its relevant.
He’s running Nice just fine, what’s with the drama? He’s hardly doing a fecking Everton is he?If you cant run something small(er) how do you expect to run a much larger organisation? So of course its relevant.
It’s a daft point. To make little Nice compete with PSG by splashing daft money for instant success in Europe’s 5th league would be a recipe for disaster.How does him already having a club that he's managing poorly not have relevance? I don't know what fantasy land you're living in where you think that doesn't have relevance on him being the owner of United.
Nice fans, in general, disagree, a quick look at their forums shows they are not happy with INEOS. This is worth a read,I’ll say again, INEOS are running Nice just fine. It appears a long term project with a long term approach to making them a better run club.
Failure to invest devalues their asset, in turn has long term impact on shareholder value, this is their obligation to maintain and grow shareholder value.In what way, unless they issued shares on the basis of "you buy these, we'll improve the stadium" I don't think they have any kind of obligation
They do some reporting on crazy sporting/football antics.Who/what is ‘the upshot’?
That’s just not true.But so far Nice have failed to match the success, league position or recruitment they had in the years directly before the INEOS take over.
£4 billion is a fair amount of money. Its not as much as what Elon bought Twitter for but its a lot. For example, even with the weakness of Sterling, its more than Disney paid for Star Wars.What would it come across like if bids were lurking in the shadows? Every article I’ve read this week from Reuters to the Athletic to the Telegraph have been saying the same thing - full sale the most likely outcome - formal bids middle of Feb with American bids to compete with INEOS and a Middle East bid expected. What are we not hearing that we should be if this wasn’t true?
It’s only a large amount of money if you can’t afford it. In big business terms it’s not that large at all£4 billion is a fair amount of money. Its not as much as what Elon bought Twitter for but its a lot. For example, even with the weakness of Sterling, its more than Disney paid for Star Wars.
If there are lots of groups out their mobilising that kind of money, you would think there would be whispers of it that would feed through to the businesses pages somewhere. I'm not saying its going to be a splash in the Wall Street Journal. However, you would think there would be something more than vague claims from football journalists.
Interesting how you left out the season 2016-2017 where they ended in third....but I guess that doesnt suit the argument.That’s just not true.
2017-18: 8th
2018-19: 7th
Takeover Aug 2019:
2019-20: 5th
2020-21: 9th
2021-22: 5th
They also in this time made their first cup final in decades.
Nice had a couple of stand out seasons in 2015 & 2016, before reverting to type for a couple of seasons prior to the takeover, anyone pretending those two seasons were the norm needs their heads checking.
So Nice absolutely have matched what INEOS took over and after two 5th place finishes & a cup final they now have a highly rated DoF at the helm for the next step in their long term vision.
Nice fans not being happy is due to them being guilty as many fans and expecting the takeover to bring them instant Chelsea, City, PSG esque success.
Actually I did if you can read, I said they had two standout seasons in 2015 & 2016, before reverting to type, but the poster claimed they haven’t matched the success and league positions in the years directly before the takeover.Interesting how you left out the season 2016-2017 where they ended in third....but I guess that doesnt suit the argument.
So what you think the new owners are going to spend their own money forever? It’s an investment that we very much need otherwise we will likely go bust.You mean the club spending money that they generated? The nerve.
Also. We have rarely been the biggest spenders per season. Especially under Fergie.