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fair enough, you've gone back up a little in my estimationIt's what I'd hope, but I'm not sure it would be the case.
How will we know though? We have been one of the biggest spenders in the world despite the Glazers. I expect it to stay at a pretty similar level. Can't see us doing what Chelsea are doing.
They will invest in the infrastructure and take the debt away. That's literally all the club needs to be pretty self-sufficient.
Exactly that. Sorry folks
Define cheating?Exactly that. Sorry folks
Just to be clear - you’re annoyed at me forcing my views on others but not the pro Qatar people with literally hundreds more posts?
Also to be clear - you disagree with how the Qataris run their country? You think the deaths of migrants is wrong?
We get to judge it for ourselves. In the end its all we can do.
I might be naive but I think the Liverpool owners staying supports this.
Why? Because I think they always believed FFP would allow them to eventually level the field against City.
With the new more stringent FFP rules coming in, this should restrict the spending power of rich clubs to a more palatable level.
And I just cannot understand how people can watch City winning league after league and accept it's OK to just be close to winning or actually win one every 10 years. City can still win three in a row this year and 5 out of the last 6. And even if they don't, they'll probably win it next year.
This is without mentioning Chelsea who had massive financial doping for years and once Roman had to go, their debt got wiped, so they're getting their second treatment.
You either accept being a bigger Leicester or go big and accept reality, meaning we need money to compete.
If the authorities decide to get their heads out of their collective arses and force the sale of these clubs (or enforce some kind real FFP rules), then we can revisit the topic. Until then, I'm on the 'join them' approach.
That post by Mockney which is getting quoted a lot, was really good. Especially the analogy involving Weghorst. So good it actually made me rethink this. I kinda wanted Qatar because I thought it would improve the situation in the country and it would be the only way we could compete going forward of those options presented to us (not helped by Ratcliffe's bad PR and possible financing parties after he came in as a knight in a shining armor last year).
It's easy to accuse rival fans of just wanting to wind other fans up with the moral arguments but being state-owned with unlimited resources will indeed feel hollow. Can understand younger fans not feeling the same because they have grown up with that being a part of football, but I personally genuinely doesn't care if City or Chelsea win anything. Would probably do when it comes to Liverpool even if they were state-owned, but still.
The Glazers have fecked us over so badly that it's easy to feel the need to contemplate getting sovereign wealth fund rich owners to balance it out again. Just hope if SJR wins the bid that he actually will deliver better than his PR has done.
I do wish the Western reporting on the GCC countries would improve. At best it's incredibly lazy and counteracting.
It's easy to accuse rival fans of just wanting to wind other fans up with the moral arguments but being state-owned with unlimited resources will indeed feel hollow. Can understand younger fans not feeling the same because they have grown up with that being a part of football, but I personally genuinely doesn't care if City or Chelsea win anything. Would probably do when it comes to Liverpool even if they were state-owned, but still.
The Glazers have fecked us over so badly that it's easy to feel the need to contemplate getting sovereign wealth fund rich owners to balance it out again. Just hope if SJR wins the bid that he actually will deliver better than his PR has done.
I do wish the Western reporting on the GCC countries would improve. At best it's incredibly lazy and counteracting.
Spurs aren’t state owned. They have arguably the best stadium in the country. Arsenal aren’t state owned (yes I know they are sponsored by Emirates, but the stadium wasn’t solely funded this way) and have a newer stadium than OT. Even relative minnows like Brentford can build new grounds. There are ways and means.
We already more than hold our own in the TM, it’s how it’s spent that needs to improve not how much.
And the cost of being in debt cannot be overstated. Just clearing the cost of having the Glazers as owners will free up much more cash flow. We don’t need state money.
This distinction should be obvious, but apparently it’s not.
It’s brilliant to see that people are open to changing their mind. I think it’s hard not to when you see the posts across the last few pages.
Financial doping. It’s in the post I quoted.
Why does Manchester United need to do this?
Spend £150m on Antony probably
I don't think that unshackled from the disaster of the Glazers we need outside money to compete on a sustained basis. We can succeed just on what we can actually make.
Erm… we don’t?!! That’s kinda the point!
What does that even mean? How is the Man City situation even remotely comparable to ours? United is an actual money-making machine. City wasn't so they have to inflate and cheat. I don;t really see why anyone would think that we would suddenly start 'cheating' or financially doping.
Sure it would great to know more details about all the bids but the reality is that we aren't going to
State money is a cheat code. Pure and simple.
You suggested by agreeing with the initial post that all of a sudden we will start cheating. Based on what and for what reasons?Erm… we don’t?!! That’s kinda the point!
Jass, as I like to call him down the Legion, is on here. I know it. Round up the usual suspects. Start with @nimic
That's just stupid.
100 % agree.
Then why are some people so worried about them buying Liverpool instead?
Nicely put, sir. It also saves me a mouth-marbling attempt to voice my own feelings.
I wouldn't. I can't speak for other people.
So’s your face! Yeah that’s roght
I’m 12 big whoop, wanna fight about it?!!
But seriously. I’ve been quite clear dude, Manchester United don’t need state funding. We are big enough to stand on our own. Transfers, infrastructure, the whole shebang. We can do it all, once we are freed from the shackles of Glazer ownership.
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Honestly these idiotic Qatar bum boys trying to wind up other fans coupled with 7 year old journalists is actually making me not want Sheikh Jassim as an owner.
Moral issues aside, its just clearly attracting so many idiots
Moral issues aside, its just clearly attracting so many idiots
What do you think that phrase means?
Next up: Sheikh Jassim is going to use his B&Q card to obtain the paint to sort the seats at OT.
I mean…. feck me.
Josh Lyman voice: “This ‘Qatar bum boys’ comment could just mushroom cloud in so many ways…”
Excellent west wing reference aside, I just thought of that Bayern banner against Ozil in my head when typing the post and I couldn't help it
I'm not particularly advocating for state funding. I'm simply saying that anyone that has the means to buy the club is going to need a large amount of money (obviously) to make the required investments.
For the level of investment needed state ownership is probably the best option for the actual club because for them I think it's simply not about making money. I don't think I can say the same for INEOS.
I guess more with the way you do it. Condescending, guilt tripping and many posts are along the lines of “if you are OK with Qatar, you don’t care about human rights” which is just a very lazy pov. The “I am better fan than you and my opinion is better than yours” just reeks from basically every post
As for 2nd part, I think it’s needless to say that deaths of migrants is always wrong and that they quite clearly have to do better in a lot of things related to human rights.
You have 15 pages of posts in this thread supporting Qatar ownership before making a homophobic comment. I just hope this doesn’t become more frequent as we move forward under their ownership.Excellent west wing reference aside, I just thought of that Bayern banner against Ozil in my head when typing the post and I couldn't help it
I thought you were leaving the Caf if it happened
I didn't mean it in a homophobic way
I think the guilt tripping comes from maybe… you feeling guilty?I guess more with the way you do it. Condescending, guilt tripping and many posts are along the lines of “if you are OK with Qatar, you don’t care about human rights” which is just a very lazy pov. The “I am better fan than you and my opinion is better than yours” just reeks from basically every post
As for 2nd part, I think it’s needless to say that deaths of migrants is always wrong and that they quite clearly have to do better in a lot of things related to human rights.