Any Glazer apologist is lying when he says he is a Red.
Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)
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no i believe its not allowed now
I know that they are leeches and the blame is on them for keeping nincompoops in top position in the club. But this has got nothing to do with money. Lots of good players were available for reasonable price if competent people were at United.
A big part of their mismanagement of the club is constantly assigning money men to run the club and focus just on revenues.
Because they want to see us slowly rot away, we used to be an important part of this league but now are totally irrelevant
Damn it why did this have to happen to us in order to force a law change, goodnight Utd is basically what this league is happy to say and that's bang out of order.
The real question I have now is this: does the UK government have the balls to move the goalposts far enough to punish people on what has been done in the past? I know that some people were laughing at Spain when they were suing footballers and managers left, right and center for tax evasion a few years back. But there was a rationale behind those lawsuits; honest and hard-working regular people were fecked over by rich people taking advantage of weak tax laws and other loopholes for too long. Something has got to give. Retrospective action has to take place.
Someone found this vid from a few years back. If it wasn't for some guy signing both Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski, the Buccs would linger in the abyss for a longer period of time after 2002. Speaks volumes about the Glazers making people sick in the way they handle sports ownership.
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Ex post facto punishment is a non-starter in any serious legal system, for obvious reasons. Will never happen.
100%
Glazers spent a lot of money doing stupid things - underinvested at the wrong times, followed by panicking and overpaying.
They might as well have just thrown it into a bonfire. What competent owner persists with a management team that just diminishes the business’s value and alienates customers? Only one where the customers/fans keep coming back to get bent-over.
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You make me sick by selling those irrelevant points instead of looking carefully at the larger picture.
I fear there is no antidote either
In what way?
Hard not to walk away from this club
Ralf would be a solution, a painful but good. He is not the best coach or manager, but would be a great sporting director. He would have build this club new from the scratch. Football would have been the focus again...
Now we have nothing again, wasting money, time all for the Glazers and their friends
Now we have nothing again, wasting money, time all for the Glazers and their friends
Is it possible to make the club a fan-own club? Any legal issue? Why do we have to wait for another rich people to buy the club in hope that it will be better. Can we start by
- set up a supporter consortium ... may be an existing one.
- register with some legal offices stating the intend/purpose to raise fund to buy the club -- if not successful then money returned.
- find partner banks to hold the fund.
- raise fund ... hardest part... don't know what is appropriate amount...£100 each? How much is needed?
- make an offer to the Glazers, not too much not too little... the fans have the edge.
- if successful 100%:
+ set up a governing body -- election
- if not 100%
+ then buy share and have a support voice.
RULES
+ fans and only fans own the club.
+ each fan has the same share ... no one has more than the other.
+ annual membership fee £20 to invest for infrastructure ... million of fans that amount to sth
+ revenue to pay for expense : player, staff salaries, operating cost, buying-selling, etc
+ profits saved for future investment.
+ only football people is allowed to make football decisions
+ the club must not be sold
+ recruit new member continually
+ member get to votes.
+ occasionally raise fun to buy top players if needed
FAN BENEFITS
+ fans get substantial discount for shirts, tv , etc.
+ enjoy football and glories
- set up a supporter consortium ... may be an existing one.
- register with some legal offices stating the intend/purpose to raise fund to buy the club -- if not successful then money returned.
- find partner banks to hold the fund.
- raise fund ... hardest part... don't know what is appropriate amount...£100 each? How much is needed?
- make an offer to the Glazers, not too much not too little... the fans have the edge.
- if successful 100%:
+ set up a governing body -- election
- if not 100%
+ then buy share and have a support voice.
RULES
+ fans and only fans own the club.
+ each fan has the same share ... no one has more than the other.
+ annual membership fee £20 to invest for infrastructure ... million of fans that amount to sth
+ revenue to pay for expense : player, staff salaries, operating cost, buying-selling, etc
+ profits saved for future investment.
+ only football people is allowed to make football decisions
+ the club must not be sold
+ recruit new member continually
+ member get to votes.
+ occasionally raise fun to buy top players if needed
FAN BENEFITS
+ fans get substantial discount for shirts, tv , etc.
+ enjoy football and glories
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i feel like the pressure is building for them to sell.
Not punishment, but leveraged buyouts of football clubs could be made against the rules and any resulting debt from leveraged buyouts from previous acquisitions to be cleared by the owners. If they are in no position to do so then they are forced to sell.
eh yes it is, i would never walk away from United, Conference winners or Champions league winners
i think nothing is happening to force that….match delays, unseemly scenes are unfortunately the only way to force these issues. Neville and co where happy to condone this route post the Super League they don’t seem so keen as they watch the club get battered by every team they face.
I really don't understand the fans. There was a huge protest for Super League that made Glazers notice and take certain actions albeit not enough.
But the club future is now at stake due to their mismanagement since they took over. But there is no protest.
Is the club future more important or not joining super league more important?
But the club future is now at stake due to their mismanagement since they took over. But there is no protest.
Is the club future more important or not joining super league more important?
Surely there'll be significant protests at the Liverpool game or at least outside the club, which Sky will not cover.
Fans need to empty the stadium. Enough is enough. We support the team by getting the leaches out. With a global audience the stage is set
I have sent lengthy emails to both the premier League and the uk sports minister Nadine Dorries in the last few days emphasizing the new ban on leveraged buyouts, the ‘fit and proper’ ownership rule list and that the club is a huge national asset/institution. I asked that the Glazers should be made to either remove the debt immediately or sell the club to ‘fit and proper’ owners.
It might do nothing but worth a try. I would suggest everyone does the same.
I am going to forward to the FA now too.
Heard a great comment from a pundit yesterday. He said the glazers have created a culture that is all about what they can take/get from the club and that it’s passed right down though the club. You only need to look at the way we’ve attracted players and in most cases it’s about money. Once again breading that culture of take, take, take rather than what can “I” do to help the club.
I though he had really nailed it.
#glazersout
I though he had really nailed it.
#glazersout
Joel glazer the specky twat is refusing to sell Ronaldo even though everyone else wants him out!
We need to create a forum with the tamba Bay bucaneers and find a way to proper attack the glazers.
We can't do anything from the UK since the glazers are USA based, so maybe we need to collaborate.
As much as I hate the Glazers, I hate retrospective rule changes even more.
Rule changes are often required but punishing people for obeying rules is just wrong. It is lime the government saying, we are increasing income tax by five percent and backdaring it byten years so gou all owe us thousands
Could you not copy and paste your letter(s) and post the email address to whom you sent them to please.
Maybe other fans would be willing to try and persuade them to look/consider if anything could possibly be done. I highly doubt it will but sure worth a try!.
Thanks!
They should change the rules going forward and give the Glazers a 5-year grace period to clear the debt, with no dividends allowed to be taken out in the meantime.
It'll still hurt us but it's likely to push them over the edge and sell to someone who can invest in the men's squad and the general club facilities.
It'll still hurt us but it's likely to push them over the edge and sell to someone who can invest in the men's squad and the general club facilities.
You have to question at this point what is the Glazer end-game?
I think the dividends are a red herring personally, there are far more profitable investments the Glazers' could have made in that respect.
There could be the prestige of owning a sports team...but where's the prestige if the team is terrible and your name is dragged through the mud constantly?
The very obvious explanation is that they got in because they expected the club to continue to increase in value, along with the market for football globally, and it did for while....but the way things are now, the share price is down like 66% from it's all-time high and the club looks less and less attractive to sponsors/partners/investors/buyers every day
Hopefully soon they will realise they can't grow this business and the best thing for them to do is sell at a reasonable price and pocket the profit.
I think the dividends are a red herring personally, there are far more profitable investments the Glazers' could have made in that respect.
There could be the prestige of owning a sports team...but where's the prestige if the team is terrible and your name is dragged through the mud constantly?
The very obvious explanation is that they got in because they expected the club to continue to increase in value, along with the market for football globally, and it did for while....but the way things are now, the share price is down like 66% from it's all-time high and the club looks less and less attractive to sponsors/partners/investors/buyers every day
Hopefully soon they will realise they can't grow this business and the best thing for them to do is sell at a reasonable price and pocket the profit.
the end game is selling the club, for sure
they are probably holding on for a Super League or some sort of situation that enables them to gain more autonomy on TV rights
agree the dividends aren’t that important
I don’t think a sale is that far off, personally.. the Super league disaster and the team/club/stadium needing so much investment might be the tipping point
Plus the fact that the club has now basically depleted it's cash reserves - we had £350m in the bank until recently, we're now down to about £50m
Edit - Fake account, sorry for that.
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while i agree with disliking retrospectivity on a personal level (ie the income tax example), the private acquisition of a community asset as significant as United, not to mention it’s subsequent negligent operating, falls into its own category, or at least is unique enough that it could.
not that i think anything will change, but if the gov wanted it to, they could apply these lawsretrospectivelt without too much fuss. I’m hoping the independent regulator will come in and have something to say at least about reducing the debt.
If that is true then surely it's best to hire a DOF who has top level experience and free up a couple of Murtough's responsibilities.
They underestimated the learning curve Woodward had to go through, and have just ended up repeating his mistakes from Summer 2013. Woodward's strategy that season was ask Moyes what he wants - and what Moyes wanted was big stars and ex-players.
We've done the same with ETH.
Surely. They’ve pretty much overplayed their hand at this stage. The investment required to keep their asset value is too great, it’s going to continue depreciating. So if they’re looking to sell, probably wait til the ESL case is heard in November/December, and if that collapses, there’s no reason to not sell them and there.
the absolute worst case scenario, is that they’re fine as long as they can service the debt, and take out £20-30m a year in dividends, and just let the club languish further and further. Although i think if it actually got to that point, with no hope in sight, they would have real threats to their personal safety.Nobody wants that in their life.
Gonna get worse before it gets better though, either way.
If this is true, we may as well give up.
Maybe Woodward hands them the Super Leaague plans for the lols