Goals and Assists in Europe 2012/2013

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Scorers and Assists per minute in Europe's 5 biggest leagues and the CL/Europaleague




Actually I started with the Bundesliga yesterday as I just wanted to see how the absolute data looks when you have a per minute ratio. When you see only the numbers of goals or assists it does not include how many minutes somebody has played. If you just look on the Bundesliga Kießling won the Golden Ball but had a lot more minutes than e.g. Lewandowski. And - as there is more and more mixing types between forwards and offensive midfielders where you just cannot judge somebody only by the numbers of goals but also have to see the number of assists he provides for others, both is included.

I started with the Bundesliga - and then just added other players. First some prominent players of the bigger clubs in Europe - then I took Who Scored and sorted after goals and later assists and added them (but I took all goal and assist data from transfermarkt)

I added the age - and made 3 categories which I coloured different.

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Another thought for me about this...

It is just statistics and does not show everything about the performance of somebody. One more or less adds to the performance to its club in playing culture, movement or defensive work that cannot be seen by just pure statistic values. Some are the main targets of their teams, some just are not. Pizarro and Gomez are on number 2 and 3 of the list - none of them really provided a real lot for the Bayern matches (even if both are great players) - but they got the easier matches or came in when the opponent was already fought down or the shooting galas at home - actually you have to give Mandzukic and Müller an additional credit for that as they usually had the more difficult matches.

Götze, so he is a great youngster, pushed his stats especially in the CL with matches against Ajax, who were the easiest opponents of them. Reus does not have the bigger absolute stats but participated a lot in the decisive goals.

That just added as my thinkings about the stats in areas I can judge it. I am not the big EPL expert - so I guess the most of you can judge the EPL data a lot better than I can.

There might be some typing errors - would not surprise me with the amount of data. If you think someone important is missing I can still add him.

* In the stats I coloured the best (highest or lowest) 10 values in the most categories in yellow.
 

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Where is Chicharito? Didn't he had the best goal + assist per minute ratio in England?
 

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Is this just random players, or like main players? Whatever the case, you're missing Hernandez on there, it'd be interesting to see what his ratio was considering how little he played but how many he scored. Would surely be pretty high up there.
 

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Great list, really interesting to look at.

But question: How did Welbeck get on the list and Hernandez didn't? Did he play a load more minutes than Danny? Because his goals and assists combined must be double his.
 

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Great list, really interesting to look at.

But question: How did Welbeck get on the list and Hernandez didn't? Did he play a load more minutes than Danny? Because his goals and assists combined must be double his.
I don't think it's a list of the best ratios, welbeck wouldn't be near any list like that. He probably just forgot to add Hernandez.

Edit: he has 18 goals, 8 assists in 2060 minutes.
In just league and champions league, he has 13 goals, 5 assists in 1393 minutes. Translates to a goal/ assist every 77.4 minutes.
 

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Great list, really interesting to look at.

But question: How did Welbeck get on the list and Hernandez didn't? Did he play a load more minutes than Danny? Because his goals and assists combined must be double his.
It's likely that he forgot about him. Pizarro is in the list with only 1030 minutes, and I am pretty sure that Chicha played more than that.
 

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And now, just realized that the Cup doesn't count. Shit list.
 

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Chicharito got 13+5 in his 28 games in CL and PL this season.

1393 minutes played in CL/PL.
 

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I don't think it's a list of the best ratios, welbeck wouldn't be near any list like that. He probably just forgot to add Hernandez.

Edit: he has 18 goals, 8 assists in 2060 minutes.
In just league and champions league, he has 13 goals, 5 assists in 1393 minutes. Translates to a goal/ assist every 77.4 minutes.

It looks that way, that's why the Minutes/Goals+assists is the only one in order, and why Pizarro and Gomez are mentioned near the top. He may have forgotten him which is fair enough, but to exclude him and include Welbeck instead is just odd.
 

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I don't think it's a list of the best ratios, welbeck wouldn't be near any list like that. He probably just forgot to add Hernandez.

Edit: he has 18 goals, 8 assists in 2060 minutes.
In just league and champions league, he has 13 goals, 5 assists in 1393 minutes. Translates to a goal/ assist every 77.4 minutes.
Like that - I can have forgotten players.

Hernandez has 10 goals and 3 assists for the EPL on whoscored (or 10 and 5 on transfermarkt) - that is why he was off my radar. But if you have other names just tell me - I can still put them in.

The he is a she. And Pizarro and Gomez are in as I am a Bayern fan and added them to it even if they were not in my normal filters I mentioned above (sorting who scored after assists or goals...)

I did not count in the Cups - every country has different, some have one, some have two. And the quality between a match against a 3rd league team just ain't comparable to e.g. the CL matches.
 

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Like that - I can have forgotten players.

Hernandez has 10 goals and 3 assists for the EPL on whoscored (or 10 and 5 on transfermarkt) - that is why he was off my radar. But if you have other names just tell me - I can still put them in.

The he is a she. And Pizarro and Gomez are in as I am a Bayern fan and added them to it even if they were not in my normal filters I mentioned above (sorting who scored after assists or goals...)
Like I said, this is a great list which must have taken some time and you are bound to miss players out. Will be interesting to see where Hernandez ends up in terms of the goals/assists to minutes ratio.
 

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Like I said, this is a great list which must have taken some time and you are bound to miss players out. Will be interesting to see where Hernandez ends up in terms of the goals/assists to minutes ratio.
Wait a little as there can be more players of interest that are not in - and I have other stuff to do in the next hours.
 

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This highlights how much superior Messi is to all the other footballers, he's still had a fantastic season in terms of numbers despite injuries in the second half of the season
 

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Seriously though, thats an amazing effort. You should upload the Excel file somewhere so the rest of us can contribute.
 

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RVP # 4 in Europe in G/A

But big props to Totti at Roma... still producing those type of numbers at 36!
 

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Im surprised Rooney is as high as he is. Impressive. I must admit Im a bit less keen on him leaving if those are his numbers even in a bumpy season.

Im not at all surprised that Aguero is as low as he is. Most overrated striker in the league and Ive said it for a long time.

Welbeck's stats are pathetic.
 

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Im surprised Rooney is as high as he is. Impressive. I must admit Im a bit less keen on him leaving if those are his numbers even in a bumpy season.
I wouldn't say that makes him impressive - this is a list in which Pizarro and Gomez are 2nd and 3rd respectively, as it's ordered by the rate of contribution, not the actual totals. That rate can be influenced by all manner of things, such as them only playing vs the weaker teams, or substitute appearances.

Rooney's actual tallies for each aren't anything to write home about, especially when you consider a number of his assists came from taking corners, which are easier to come by than those from open play.
 

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Good effort Blackwidow, must have taken you ages. Most stat sites have goals/assists but not per min which helps to contextualise the data when making comparisons.
 

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I reckon some players there wouldn't make the list had they played any games in Europe.

Could you make this table different? Let's say, make up a percentage of how much a goal is more important than an assist (like 1 assist is 70% of a goal or something) and check what it would look like then? I for one don't consider assists and goals equally important.
 

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great work Blackwidow.

Hernandez would be pretty high if you think about it.
 

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I reckon some players there wouldn't make the list had they played any games in Europe.

Could you make this table different? Let's say, make up a percentage of how much a goal is more important than an assist (like 1 assist is 70% of a goal or something) and check what it would look like then? I for one don't consider assists and goals equally important.
Torres racked up quite a few goals against minnows in Europe but scored less freely in the PL so not necessarily.

Also I think the way Blackwidow has done it is the fairest way. Suppose someone ran the length of the pitch jinking past 3 or 4 opposition players then squared the ball to his team mate in the box for a tap in, no reason that should be worth less than the goal. Some assists will be better and some goals will be.
 

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Overall goals are much more important. There are countless of great passes that don't end up as a goal because the player on the end of it misses his finish. You also don't get any points for setting up countless of goals. It's also why goalscorers usually are the most expensive players.

It makes a great difference if you set up Alexis Sanchez for a goal opportunity or Messi. The other is more likely you yield you an assist.

I wasn't asking him to throw away that table. I just wanted to see if he was up for making the alternative seeing as he's already done all the groundwork.
 

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Im surprised Rooney is as high as he is. Impressive. I must admit Im a bit less keen on him leaving if those are his numbers even in a bumpy season.

Im not at all surprised that Aguero is as low as he is. Most overrated striker in the league and Ive said it for a long time.

Welbeck's stats are pathetic.
:lol:

That list isn't an indication of how good/bad a player is, thought that would be fairly easy to figure out with Pizzaro being 2nd and Gomez in 3rd place. Also, Iniesta is below Aguero in the list - does that mean he is the most overrated midfielder in the world? Far from it.

P.S - Cazorla had a great season and he is almost bottom of it...
 

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Im surprised Rooney is as high as he is. Impressive. I must admit Im a bit less keen on him leaving if those are his numbers even in a bumpy season.

Im not at all surprised that Aguero is as low as he is. Most overrated striker in the league and Ive said it for a long time.

Welbeck's stats are pathetic.
How long surely you weren't saying it last year?

He is a better player than Rooney now all you have to do is watch them to see that.
 

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Well if you were saying it last season, you were wrong.
Nope. Terrible conversion rates, missing plenty of easy chances. Tevez was easily the better striker for them last season, but Aguero was constantly touted as "the best striker in the league". Im not saying hes bad, just that he was far from the best in the league.

Also, last season City was steamrolling everyone. Easy to bag some goals in these circumstances. This season where they have struggled hes been poor and not been able to elevate them to another level.
 

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:lol:

That list isn't an indication of how good/bad a player is, thought that would be fairly easy to figure out with Pizzaro being 2nd and Gomez in 3rd place. Also, Iniesta is below Aguero in the list - does that mean he is the most overrated midfielder in the world? Far from it.

P.S - Cazorla had a great season and he is almost bottom of it...
A striker's job is to score goals. Gomez especially is a better striker than Aguero, although I wont disagree that Aguero is the overall better footballer. I havent seen Pizarro play much but from these stats its pretty clear that he is amongst the most underrated strikers out there. And midfielder is a vastly different role than a striker where its harder to measure their contribution based on goals / assists. I never said this role indicated midfielder ability or performance. Comparing Aguero and Iniesta's goal/assist stats and concluding that Iniesta is an overrated midfielder? Wtf? :houllier:

How long surely you weren't saying it last year?

He is a better player than Rooney now all you have to do is watch them to see that.
Yes I was saying it last year. He was better than this season but still overrated, as in he was constantly referred to as the best in the league, which he wasnt. He needed Suarez-esque amounts of chances to score, and the only reason he scored as many as he did was the brilliance of the rest of the City team last season. Silva and Toure in particular. This season those two have failed to impress and Aguero has been unable to take City up a notch.

Rooney, for all his flaws, is far better at taking a game on his own and influencing the game when other underperform. Aguero is a sunny day player, he doesnt step up when the team needs him to, but scores when the rest of the team are playing well.
 

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Falcao with 1 assist all season...that's pretty poor to be honest. You cant knock his goal record that's first class but you'd expect more team play from him, he's a big guy I thought he'd be winning balls and flick-ons for teammates all day long.

Hamsik has done well - 11 goals and 21 assists from centre/att mid is pretty amazing. Would love to see him at a bigger club I think he's a top player.
 

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Falcao with 1 assist all season...that's pretty poor to be honest. You cant knock his goal record that's first class but you'd expect more team play from him, he's a big guy I thought he'd be winning balls and flick-ons for teammates all day long.

Hamsik has done well - 11 goals and 21 assists from centre/att mid is pretty amazing. Would love to see him at a bigger club I think he's a top player.
Maybe they just refuse to score from them
 

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Falcao with 1 assist all season...that's pretty poor to be honest. You cant knock his goal record that's first class but you'd expect more team play from him, he's a big guy I thought he'd be winning balls and flick-ons for teammates all day long.

Hamsik has done well - 11 goals and 21 assists from centre/att mid is pretty amazing. Would love to see him at a bigger club I think he's a top player.
Not really his style. Diego Costa does all the dirty work, Falcao finishes the chances.