Goals + Assists in all competitions for Top 5 league players

[roonster09]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewandowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

 

[KM]

Rashford's output has been fecking superb this season.

Caf's reaction: "We've a Martial and Rashford problem"

 

[roonster09]

Rashford's output has been fecking superb this season.

Caf's reaction: "We've a Martial and Rashford problem"

Or how Rashford numbers are not all that good enough.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewnadowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

It is fantastic to see that we have 2 players who are able to produce numbers at the same level of Europe's best!

and if you see, most teams have either 1 or 2 players in that list (Kane & Son, Lewa & Muller, Halaand & Sancho, etc..) and this means we are doing well in terms of attacking personnel (although we hope Martial to turn around his horrendous form and for Greenwood to start scoring more goals but he is not doing bad).

Our issues are in the middle and the defense, we concede easy goals, City for example do not have anyone who is prolific this year (Aguero & KdB are injured), but the most thing that allowed them to go 10 points clear in the league is not conceding goals

 

[Teja]

What's interesting is if you take out penalties from Bruno's record, Rashford has more G+A despite playing almost exactly the same mins. And yet Bruno is talked about as the second coming of Cantona while we have a Rashford problem

EDIT Obligatory Haaland is insane and we should do everything in our power to get him comment.

 

[kouroux]

Rashford's output has been fecking superb this season.

Caf's reaction: "We've a Martial and Rashford problem"

We do have a Martial problem tbh

 

[Klopper76]

Kane and Son have been phenomenal considering Tottenham’s current position.

 

[CG1010]

What's interesting is if you take out penalties from Bruno's record, Rashford has more G+A despite playing almost exactly the same mins. And yet Bruno is talked about as the second coming of Cantona while we have a Rashford problem

EDIT Obligatory Haaland is insane and we should do everything in our power to get him comment.

I think its because Bruno seems to have an amazing consistency over key moments vs Rashford who obviously makes lots of crucial errors. Probably a difference of age and when Rashford matures to that level, he would produce insane numbers.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Rashford's output has been fecking superb this season.

Caf's reaction: "We've a Martial and Rashford problem"

We do have a Martial problem. There are no goals, no effort, nothing much.
People's complains about Rashford is mostly because he makes those good runs and then decides to take on 3 defenders at once or misses basic goals and scores some tougher ones. No one complains that he doesn't put in enough effort. Some of his decision making is suspect.

Again, people complain about Rashford because there is so much hope on the heights he can hit.

 

[Teja]

I think its because Bruno seems to have an amazing consistency over key moments vs Rashford who obviously makes lots of crucial errors. Probably a difference of age and when Rashford matures to that level, he would produce insane numbers.

Yup I agree, I was just being snarky. One of those where the data doesn't tell the whole story. Or it sort of does, but you need to dig a bit deeper.

https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/scout/365_euro/Bruno-Fernandes-Scouting-Report
https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/scout/365_euro/Marcus-Rashford-Scouting-Report

 

[Bebestation]

We do have a Martial problem. There are no goals, no effort, nothing much.
People's complains about Rashford is mostly because he makes those good runs and then decides to take on 3 defenders at once or misses basic goals and scores some tougher ones. No one complains that he doesn't put in enough effort. Some of his decision making is suspect.

Again, people complain about Rashford because there is so much hope on the heights he can hit.

The thing is the way people talk about him is as if he is a problem.

Rashford with the decision making ability is a very complete player and people acting like we have a problem when he is at the age of 23 is just again nothing more than the blood thirsty fans thirst for a trophy. They look for faults in players that produces here but value players for other clubs who are worse than what we have.

 

[berbatrick]

the fall of messi and ronaldo is so stark here. they would both be way out front (or at worst next to lewandowski/suarez) in previous seasons.

 

[adexkola]

Kane and Son have been phenomenal considering Tottenham’s current position.

Does Son make it into your team of the year?

Kane is a lock in up front IMO, wondering which other forwards make the cut.

 

[KM]

We do have a Martial problem tbh

We do have a Martial problem. There are no goals, no effort, nothing much.
People's complains about Rashford is mostly because he makes those good runs and then decides to take on 3 defenders at once or misses basic goals and scores some tougher ones. No one complains that he doesn't put in enough effort. Some of his decision making is suspect.

Again, people complain about Rashford because there is so much hope on the heights he can hit.

My point was more putting Rashford and Martial in the same bracket.

 

[RedDevil@84]

My point was more putting Rashford and Martial in the same bracket.

Ya, at this point of the season, they are miles apart.

 

[KM]

Kane and Son have been phenomenal considering Tottenham’s current position.

Son has massively gone down after his crazy start in PL
First 6 matches - 8 goals and 2 assists
Next 18 matches - 5 goals and 3 assists

That's quite poor

 

[Sylar]

What's interesting is if you take out penalties from Bruno's record, Rashford has more G+A despite playing almost exactly the same mins. And yet Bruno is talked about as the second coming of Cantona while we have a Rashford problem

EDIT Obligatory Haaland is insane and we should do everything in our power to get him comment.

The reason we don't take away penalties is because we saw what happened with our penalties pre Bruno
They arent a given for Rashford, martial, Pogba or whosever our taker was

I get what you're trying to say though

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Son is surprisingly high.

I don't think Rashford's end product can be debated - it is excellent. It's his general play and decision making that's a level or two below the top players and if he can develop that aspect, he'd be pretty incredible.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Son has massively gone down after his crazy start in PL
First 6 matches - 8 goals and 2 assists
Next 18 matches - 5 goals and 3 assists

That's quite poor

To be fair, look at how Spurs play. It must be pain as an attacker when they keep sitting back against rubbish teams.

 

[KM]

Son is surprisingly high.

I don't think Rashford's end product can be debated - it is excellent. It's his general play and decision making that's a level or two below the top players and if he can develop that aspect, he'd be pretty incredible.

If he increases his composure by say 10% or something then he'll start hitting Salah numbers I think. He's ridiculous.

 

[KM]

To be fair, look at how Spurs play. It must be pain as an attacker when they keep sitting back against rubbish teams.

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

I still don't understand it

 

[Alemar]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewnadowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant

fully agree. The question is, how to call the record of Bruno then?

 

[kouroux]

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

You didn't need xG to realize there was no way he was gonna keep it up.

 

[Member 90887]

What's interesting is if you take out penalties from Bruno's record, Rashford has more G+A despite playing almost exactly the same mins. And yet Bruno is talked about as the second coming of Cantona while we have a Rashford problem

EDIT Obligatory Haaland is insane and we should do everything in our power to get him comment.

I don't understand why there is this thing called 'if you take away penalties' ? aren't they goals ? do you remember how bad we were at penalties before bruno ? we were constantly switching between penalty takers.

And again, you are cherry picking here, just like the people having an agenda against Rashford. One is a attacking midfielder while the latter is an attacker. Yes, Rashford has been excellent this year but he had why more chances to score more than Bruno yet he's behind on goals scored.

 

[do.ob]

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

He's been overperforming his xG stat for five years running now though. Three of them with a significant margin. His career league stats are 77 goals from 55 xG. Maybe he got a bit lucky still this season, but he also just seems to be a very efficient finisher.

 

[KM]

He's been overperforming his xG stat for five years running now though. Three of them with a significant margin. His career league stats are 77 goals from 55 xG. Maybe he got a bit lucky still this season, but he also just seems to be a very efficient finisher.

He had 10 goals from 3.2xg or something ridiculous like that at one point.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Even in his purple patch, he was overperforming his XG by a long, long margin. I know people don't like xG much but it's one of the best footie related stats right now!

He's been overperforming his xG stat for five years running now though. Three of them with a significant margin. His career league stats are 77 goals from 55 xG. Maybe he got a bit lucky still this season, but he also just seems to be a very efficient finisher.

Son scores a lot of low probability long shots. I think it's the reason his performance against xG is so good but also why he goes on longer spells of much less productive form.

I think Martial is similar.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Player	Games	Mins	Goals	Assists	Penalty goals	Goal + Assists	Non Penalty goals + Assists	Mins per G+A	Mins per NPG+A
Lewnadowski	29	2529	31	7	6	38	32	67	79
Kane	33	2528	21	14	5	35	30	72	84
Bruno Fernandes	37	2895	22	13	9	35	26	83	111
Haaland	25	2122	27	7	1	34	33	62	64
Mbappe	29	2184	21	9	5	30	25	73	87
Son	36	2787	18	12	0	30	30	93	93
Rashford	39	2893	18	11	1	29	28	100	103
Messi	30	2622	21	8	8	29	21	90	125
Lukaku	30	2362	23	5	5	28	23	84	103
Salah	35	2840	24	4	7	28	21	101	135
Muller	30	2573	13	14	3	27	24	95	107
Ronaldo	27	2280	23	3	7	26	19	88	120
Sancho	29	2335	10	15	2	25	23	93	102
Andre Silva	22	1905	19	5	6	24	18	79	106

Rashford's record is brilliant
- Only 6 players have more goals + assists in all competition in top 5 leagues
- If you consider only open play goals + Assists, then only 4 players have more goals + assists (He is very close to 3rd and 4th placed Son and Kane)
- If you consider only open play goals only, still only 4 players have scored more than him. (Haaland, Lewandowski, Son, Lukaku)
- Mins per Open play goal + Assist - Only 6 players have better record than him.

Where are these stats from? Whoscored (Source I typically use) has quite different stats, what made me even look to check is I didn't think Sancho had anywhere near that return this season?

 

[Judas]

Funny how of those top players its only really Rashford whose class and quality is questioned, mostly by fans of his own team. It's ridiculous.

 

[pacifictheme]

Or how Rashford numbers are not all that good enough.

They aren't good enough because he's having to cover his goals and assists and martial too.

In isolation Rashford is having an amazing season. If martial was putting up reasonable numbers for a team that is so good at attacking then Rashford wouldbe being rightly hailed as one of the best players in the league this season. For me he's our second best player behind fernandes.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

the fall of messi and ronaldo is so stark here. they would both be way out front (or at worst next to lewandowski/suarez) in previous seasons.

It happens with age, was always going to be a decline in output at some point in their careers.

 

[Zhagzi]

What's interesting is if you take out penalties from Bruno's record, Rashford has more G+A despite playing almost exactly the same mins. And yet Bruno is talked about as the second coming of Cantona while we have a Rashford problem

EDIT Obligatory Haaland is insane and we should do everything in our power to get him comment.

Which is not only based on goal contributions, but rather a leadership presence in the midfield and in the dressing room + his workrate is amazing, he's all over the pitch.

 

[cyberman]

Add i the fact Rashford has been playing put of position on the right for most of the month as well

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Real Madrid though

also, the name is "Lewnad-goalski", please

That's the unfunny joke Muller made and nobody laughed at, right?

 

[stevoc]

Rashford's output is all the more impressive when you consider how much he's been shifted around positions this season. Had he played the entire season on the left i'd say his number would be even better.

 

[giorno]

Son had 8 goals from 14 total shots at one point. You didn't need xG to figure it was unsustainable

As for rashford, the only real hole in his game i'm seeing these days is this tendency to try and create the best possible shot for himself instead of settling for good ones. Which often results in overdribbling and losing the chance. Ole needs to shut him in a room with videos of Cristiano and not let him come out until he's ready to take 7 shots per game

 

[OleBoiii]

Not meaning to piss on anyone's bonfire, but if we focus on minutes between each goal/assist, then he jumps from 7th to 13th on that list. That being said: those are good numbers. Better than I thought, for sure.

I think the main issue I have with Rashford is that he can be frustrating to watch. He often makes the the wrong decision and his finishing could definitely be better. I guess it's the fact that he's so good at the other stuff that makes it frustrating. He's so close to being world class but he just lacks that final killer instinct. Then again, there's no City player on that list and they are doing just fine. We United supporters are perhaps a bit spoiled when it comes to strikers. Just look at this long list of world class strikers spanning over a period of less than 15 years: Cole, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney and RVP. Had it not been for them, then I'm sure that people would be more happy with Rashford.

 

[TMDaines]

Are you telling me we shouldn't have sold Rashford to go after Haller in the summer of 2019?

Not meaning to piss on anyone's bonfire, but if we focus on minutes between each goal/assist, then he jumps from 7th to 13th on that list. That being said: those are good numbers. Better than I thought, for sure.

I think the main issue I have with Rashford is that he can be frustrating to watch. He often makes the the wrong decision and his finishing could definitely be better. I guess it's the fact that he's so good at the other stuff that makes it frustrating. He's so close to being world class but he just lacks that final killer instinct. Then again, there's no City player on that list and they are doing just fine. We United supporters are perhaps a bit spoiled when it comes to strikers. Just look at this long list of world class strikers spanning over a period of less than 15 years: Cole, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney and RVP. Had it not been for them, then I'm sure that people would be more happy with Rashford.

Name a single footballer who this statement doesn't apply to.

 

[OleBoiii]

Name a single footballer who this statement doesn't apply to.

I meant in comparison to world class goalscorers. Everyone makes mistakes and there's no such thing as perfect finishing, obviously.

I just wish Rashford could take that final step and join the ranks of our best strikers from the Fergie era. He's just 23, so it could still happen.