Downing was a decent player
Going against the grain
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That would have to be some team. His movement is awful and his touch isn't good either.Yes, the serious injury prone players very rarely get to achieve their full potential.
However somehow the really greats manage to avoid such injuries; can remember both Bobby Charlton and George Best 'hurdling' over tackles from such as, 'Chopper Harris' and 'Bite yer legs' Norman Hunter, Eric the Great and Razzer both got 'hunted' physically, but they never succumbed.
But is it just bad luck, or are certain players prone to serious injury?
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The club will sell Mainoo/Garnacho and we will actually be better for it, I genuinely believe we have better prospects coming through and in a few years we really wont miss either player but in the short term the investment it will give us opens the door to improve our squad across a number of areas where we would benefit more.
Football's non stop quest for growth is killing it and destroying any remaining soul it once had.
Depends on the cause of the injury, but I'd imagine for most injury prone players it's not bad luck, it's that their bodies just can't cope with the physical stress of playing top level professional football.
Sure, clubs can try and manage minutes, and I'm sure there are lots of techniques to try and improve things, but there must be only so far that can go. When players like Bruno and Salah play just about every game while you see what's happened to guys like Shaw and Mount, it must just be the limitations of some people's bodies in my opinion.
Yes, I suppose you are right, but can't helping thinking there must be something else.
I remember Gary Neville once saying most players, at one time or another, carried 'knocks' but still went out and put in a shift. Maybe for some players its the limitations of their outlook/temperament, if they are told they need respite, down-time, etc. it sinks in!
Surely with all the modern medical/sporting technology that is available, when clubs do their fitness tests on players, they are able to spot the existence of bone/muscle weaknesses, susceptibility to strains, etc?
You sometime get the impression fitness training regimes that players are exposed to means they are being treated more like pedigree racehorses, and being prepared solely for speed and stamina and not the hustles and body jarring impacts that happens in any contact sport.
It's a puzzlement for sure that some players can ride out the contact occasions and the stretching and straining issues and others, once injured, never fully recover; just enough maybe to have presence on the pitch, but unable to reach the former performance levels.... go figure!!
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I think it's the fact that he's being positioned as our saviour / this world class talent, but when compared with United teams of the past, he'd have been a squad player at best (i.e. I don't think he's better than Nani, or Park, for example)
Right now he's a new-ish bright spark who is just starting off for us and if he keeps on improving, could match or surpass those players. Would be silly for me to compare him to those just now.
I will say this. Nani was immensely talented, and so is Amad
Nani was also incredibly frustrating. He had a great two and a half years (January 2010 - May 2012) and was so frustrating outside of that.
He wasn't frustrating to me.
There's always a bit of a tradeoff when you bring in exceptional flair players in that you are betting on moments of individual brilliance to create and score goals that are often in contravention to cohesive team football, but in the end create positive results whilst also entertaining the fans. Fergie had an appreciation for this given that he signed both CR7 and Nani within a five year period.
Compare what Nani brought to the table for us and what we have now in the final third and you grow an appreciation for what he gave during our peak years.
I think in general players are more prone to injury now just because they are testing the absolute physical limits of human endurance and fast twitch power.
As much as we all love Bobby and Georgie and although they were fit for their time they were nothing near today’s players.
I used to play non league (20 years ago now) and whilst we were all pretty fit relative to the rest of the population we didn’t get nearly as many muscle injuries as pro footballers do now.
PSR is broken when it incentivises selling your best Academy products as opposed to developing them.
Most peoples frustration with him stemmed from the fact he wasn't Ronaldo.
Our fanbase is probably the number one thing preventing our success. We have no patience in any situation anymore. We have an academy kid breaking through and if he isn't prime Ronaldo by his second season then it's throw him on the scrap heap and move on. We bring in a 20 year old from a weaker league to lead the line week in and week out because we can't afford to buy a second striker and there is no appreciation for what kind of expectations and pressure are on a young player like that and if he doesn't deliver immediately, he's shite and time to move on. I could go on with many examples.
All kinds of players seem to thrive once they are away from United, and clearly one of the reasons is the pressure at United to deliver. And where does that pressure come from? Fans. For the record, the media is also a large source of the pressure, but I would say fan pressure is far greater.
Nothing to do with psr, it's down to united, the club had failed.
Which players have thrived exactly?
Disagree. I think if anything he's underrated. Double digit goals in consecutive years at age 19/20, despite being in an unstable team in transition across multiple managers. He's still very young and has another gear or two he will shift into in the coming years. 20 goals should be his next target. If we sell anyone, it will be Mainoo since Amorim doesn't rate him as an ideal CM and there won't be able available spots for him to consistently play as an attacker.
Times have changed and the majority of players from Utd's academy have been bad or flops. I've never said that Garnacho needs to reach 2008 levels of Ronaldo, but I don't see him as a future world class player. The best Man Utd players who came from our academy in the last 15 years were Pogba and Rashford. Pogba has been world class with Juventus and brilliant with France, and Rashford is well, a big disappointment. We shouldn't push the hype for young players for the sake of it. I see Kobbie Mainoo as a lad who has a bright future, and his first season was brilliant for Man Utd. But he's suffering from a second season syndrome. We also have a lot of young players with a lot of potential: Heaven, Yoro, Chido Obi and Harry Amass.
We also have to abide by PSR rules and we need sell players. If the right price comes we should sell Garnacho. Mainoo has a much bigger ceiling than Garnacho, Heaven seems too and Yoro as well. I just don't rate Garnacho that highly.
No what I'm referring to is actually down to PSR making it useful to sell Academy products for 100% profit and then having the ability to spread that over a couple of years for new purchases. Chelsea have been taking advantgae of it over the last few years.
I see your point. You think it shouldn't be 100 percent profit? What about clubs who often rely on it?
I really don't get this take. It's been widely mention on social media by Goldbridge and the others. I know we love to shite on the Glazers but what level of support did people expect, with him coming in just before the Jan transfer window?
I'd understand this if he didn't get back in the summer but getting mad he didn't get more than 2 players in Jan to me is just crazy.
He's also clearly been backed, because he has a complete free hit this season.