There is no doubt he is talented. But he just hasn't shown it whenever he plays. Does that mean that its a mental issue ie performance anxiety or a club needs to build its team around an 18y.o? Or his ego is getting in the way of his development?Dortmund are supposedly offering Bellingham 60k a week at 17. I don’t think Gomes is going to get that wherever he goes but I could be totally wrong. he could be getting offered big wages because of the no fee but otherwise I don’t think he deserves bigger wages than that on what he’s shown up to now. I think there’s a good chance he will head off and make us regret it because he’s clearly talented but I feel like this club really rate Bellingham and hope he’ll be here for a long time to come. you can’t say we’ve pulled out all the stops with Gomes, he’d have been getting games and the wages he wanted otherwise.
to be fair it’s a vicious circle. Everyone can see his development is stalling but it’s because of the contract situation more than anything. We should have risked it and still sent him out on loan at the start of the season, let him get kicked for a while and see how he did in a lower league. I reckon it might have brought him down to Earth a bit and he would have signed on to keep going here but it’s looking like he’s gone now. It’s a pity. For the last few years I thought he was nailed on to make it here.There is no doubt he is talented. But he just hasn't shown it whenever he plays. Does that mean that its a mental issue ie performance anxiety or a club needs to build its team around an 18y.o? Or his ego is getting in the way of his development?
There is no reason to doubt Ole & team's reasoning for not playing him more considering that they have blooded enough academy players in the last year. Having to play Andreas or Lingard over Angel surely must be some indication of what has gone on on the training pitch.to be fair it’s a vicious circle. Everyone can see his development is stalling but it’s because of the contract situation more than anything. We should have risked it and still sent him out on loan at the start of the season, let him get kicked for a while and see how he did in a lower league. I reckon it might have brought him down to Earth a bit and he would have signed on to keep going here but it’s looking like he’s gone now. It’s a pity. For the last few years I thought he was nailed on to make it here.
Gomes barely played even compared to Chong who's been god awful.Bellingham easily if you take off rose-tinted glasses.
At 16 (17?) Bellingham is already becoming a mainstay of Birmingham. Granted Championship is not exactly EPL, but it is also a very competitive and physical league. Look at the league table - only Fulham is in a shout for a promotion back to EPL. Cardiff is not in playoff position (yet) and Huddersfield is not doing well.
Gomes on the other hand has been with us for eternity and his bags of talent isn't in doubt. However, Ole has been giving tons of chances to youth this season and Gomes hasn't standout in any of the games where he got mins. He evidently isn't ready to take the step up yet.
Angel lined up a loan himself last January and the club refused to let him leave.There is no reason to doubt Ole & team's reasoning for not playing him more considering that they have blooded enough academy players in the last year. Having to play Andreas or Lingard over Angel surely must be some indication of what has gone on on the training pitch.
I am sure there were attempts to send him out too. He may not have agreed to the options? With his lack of size, physicality or athletic abilities, the obvious choices would be Spain. But maybe there just weren't any takers there at the salary level that Angel is currently on.
That's likely due to the contract dispute thoughAngel lined up a loan himself last January and the club refused to let him leave.
Why would you refuse a loan to a player with 1.5 years left? That doesn’t even make any sense.That's likely due to the contract dispute though
There is alot of doubt and criticism on Ole, but when it comes to blooding youth, there shouldn't be much because this season he has shown great trust in youth. Letting Lukaku, Smalling, Sanchez and Young all go in favour of Tuanzebe, Chong, Greenwood and Williams shows he trusts them.There is no reason to doubt Ole & team's reasoning for not playing him more considering that they have blooded enough academy players in the last year. Having to play Andreas or Lingard over Angel surely must be some indication of what has gone on on the training pitch.
Thats the stunning thing. If people take away their hatred of Ole, questions need to be asked why Angel cant get past those two. FFS. I suspect his reputation exceeds his reality. Been dying for a creative attacker since Pogs went down and before we got Bruno. And Angel cant get a few minutes?There is alot of doubt and criticism on Ole, but when it comes to blooding youth, there shouldn't be much because this season he has shown great trust in youth. Letting Lukaku, Smalling, Sanchez and Young all go in favour of Tuanzebe, Chong, Greenwood and Williams shows he trusts them.
The fact that he persevered with Lingard / Perreira shows he is not ready. If a 16 year old is starting games for Birmingham, it shows he is ready to play mens football. It doesnt matter if its the championship, the league does prepare you for the PL i.e Mount, Tuanzebe, Tammy, Henderson.
Exactly, he has been given a few chances and honestly, he has failed to impress me. Yes, some people will say its limited chances but as a a 19 year old you have to impress in your given chances when the "senior" players are doing feck all.Thats the stunning thing. If people take away their hatred of Ole, questions need to be asked why Angel cant get past those two. FFS. I suspect his reputation exceeds his reality. Been dying for a creative attacker since Pogs went down and before we got Bruno.
Ole ain't racist. Has a pretty good eye for the talent required to build his vision of United. There can only be one reason then.
I can't imagine you've watched him through youth ranks if you don't get the hype.I dont get the Gomes hype. I havent seen Bellingham.
so.. dont care if Gomes goes.. No clue about Bellingham
'They have not played his in his best position'Exactly, he has been given a few chances and honestly, he has failed to impress me. Yes, some people will say its limited chances but as a a 19 year old you have to impress in your given chances when the "senior" players are doing feck all.
Alot of fans seemed to think Angel was the answer to our creative problems, I have seen 0 evidence of this.
Sorry thought you meant this JanWhy would you refuse a loan to a player with 1.5 years left? That doesn’t even make any sense.
100% agree. I'd love to see Gomes break into the first team, but he needs to earn that, and his performances on the pitch haven't been good enough to justify his (apparent) contract demands.If its true that Gomes has turned down a £30k a week contract, then, Bellingham, actually, no one ahead of him.
From his outings in adult football he's shown that he's quit a bit away from the level required, if he's causing this much hassle at this stage, even IF he realises his potential, can you imagine how disruptive he could become?
You want to go to Chelsea to break through? Good luck to you lad!
Perhaps it would be more apt to pit Gomes vs the prospect of signing Grealish.I dont see why we'd be choosing between someone who's most impressive feature is making slide tackles and winning the ball, and a technical passer with quick feet. They'd do well together, not in place of each other
In that case Grealish all day long.Perhaps it would be more apt to pit Gomes vs the prospect of signing Grealish.
He has played 1 single solitary match in his main position and in that match he did show the nous at the top end and was one of our best players against Astana. On that particular day Rashford was pants with poor finishing. Greenwood was a bit lively and scored but made poorer choices than Gomes and gave the ball away a lot. He was right up there with Fred for our best player on the day when a lot of our first teamers didnt play as well as he did.Playing devils advocate from Gomes perspective. Hes seen Greenwood McTominay and Williams come through since he played a first team game, yet he has stalled. He is under the best manager to play youngsters, yet sees the likes of Chong get more game time than him. Even after all that hes apparently been offered a triple your salary increase. He sees paper talk that Bellingham is being bought in and going straight into the first team, so you can see why hes annoyed and wants to leave.
Saying that in my opinion hes simply not shown the nous or physicality at the top end when he has played. He had a decent pre season under Mourinho a couple of years back, but so did Cleverley one year in USA. I would let him leave as I just cant see him getting the time to see if he can kick on and we cant afford to carry a passenger, like we could with Fletcher for years, to see if he could improve.
