OL29
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Erm, wasn't one of them a massive dive by Sturridge?3 stonewall penalties though.
Erm, wasn't one of them a massive dive by Sturridge?3 stonewall penalties though.
We gave him a decision to make.We were so poor in defence, it was no surprise we got trashed.Erm, wasn't one of them a massive dive by Sturridge?
I agree with this completely. Especially the part about NBA. I watch occasionally and when the officials are poor it destroys the match. Infuriating.I think we all feel the standards are better outside the league we follow the most - I see good/bad decisions everywhere. Overall, however, I believe the standards are simply not up to par for the quality on the pitch
I actually stopped following the NBA back in 2006/2007 due to the poor level of officiating, worried it will kill my interest in football as well
What's that got to do with what you said? You said they were all stone wall penalties when one of them obviously wasn't? That's the point I'm making, nothing to do with our defending which was shocking.We gave him a decision to make.We were so poor in defence, it was no surprise we got trashed.
What's that got to do with what you said? You said they were all stone wall penalties when one of them obviously wasn't? That's the point I'm making, nothing to do with our defending which was shocking.
Move on pal It's sooo 3 years agoWhat's that got to do with what you said? You said they were all stone wall penalties when one of them obviously wasn't? That's the point I'm making, nothing to do with our defending which was shocking.
Isn't it weird that for each name said, that it cannot be said "yeah this is a decent ref" ?I had Castro and an other one in mind but apparently they also took care of Thual.
Edit: I think that the third one was Enjimmi.
Well that's why they got relegated, they are all known to act like twats too. Castro or Thual has been accused of wumming players too.Isn't it weird that for each name said, that it cannot be said "yeah this is a decent ref" ?
Maybe we should start sending him boxes of frosted donuts with orange crust parts() every week and never ever display any kind of banners that refer to him or any other referee so he could ease it off with us. When up until now there was no influence at all, maybe it would be viable to throw there something really 'soft' so he could at least balance his mental relation with our club, the cnut!@FCBarca made a good point.
No one is saying the refereeing job is easy but they're the only group in football who don't suffer any consequences for bad performances.
Think what you want of Graham Poll but he's right.
There are referees that are just generally shit but that's not the discussion.
There are refs who go to extreme lengths to prove they aren't going to be put under pressure by player, fans and managers.
This bastard is the biggest proponent of that shite.
We should follow the Germans. referees should have press conferences after each game explaining their decisions.
Chelsea Spurs was the best game of last season, a proper game between 2 teams desperate to win and a ref who understood that it might boil over from time to time. Give me football like that each and every day of the week compared to a lot of the boring garbage that is served up in the PL.Poll is essentially calling Clattenburg a cheat here. Will be interesting to see if he sues.
Clattenburg is a genuinely awful referee though, always has to be the centre of attention and seems to make one hugely controversial call every match he referees. He's going to start a riot one day, the sort of thing we saw at Chelsea-Spurs last season.
Exactly. Once refs realize that they will have to justify and defend their decisions in front of journos, they will stick to rules strictly so at least all teams will be judged under same criteria. So far, the refs can get away with pretty much all of their decisions even when they have a direct influence on results of matches though based on very very subjective opinions.@FCBarca made a good point.
No one is saying the refereeing job is easy but they're the only group in football who don't suffer any consequences for bad performances.
Think what you want of Graham Poll but he's right.
There are referees that are just generally shit but that's not the discussion.
There are refs who go to extreme lengths to prove they aren't going to be put under pressure by player, fans and managers.
This bastard is the biggest proponent of that shite.
We should follow the Germans. referees should have press conferences after each game explaining their decisions.
Well stop defending the indefensible when you can't even remember said incident then, it's pretty simple.Move on pal It's sooo 3 years ago
To be fair to Poll, I remember him being a better referee than the ones we have today. Obviously his 3 yellow cards was a humiliating mistake that has scarred his career, but apart from that I can't remember him being too bad.Especially from the genius ref who thinks 3 yellow cards equal 1 red card.
says the guy who lives in he pastWell stop defending the indefensible when you can't even remember said incident then, it's pretty simple.
Clattenburg is often good but sometimes he loses his mind and doesn't treat both teams equally and it's often due to how the fans or players reacted to one of his decisions, I think that most people noticed that. He has nothing against United and the league isn't bent, Clattenburg just has a flaw.It's very difficult to believe that somebody at this level would have trouble making the right call due to fan pressure. Unless there is concrete proof this type of bizarre and obnoxious opinions really create more trouble. Hopefully out fan base won't descend into the "league is bent" and "referees are biased" conspiracy theories.
Poll is being paid to write columns. The more controversial the view, the more it will be lapped up by the news hungry fans and more clicks on the website. I refuse to believe that he genuinely feels that Clattenburg is biased.
You could be right.Clattenburg is often good but sometimes he loses his mind and doesn't treat both teams equally and it's often due to how the fans or players reacted to one of his decisions, I think that most people noticed that. He has nothing against United and the league isn't bent, Clattenburg just has a flaw.
He did and funnily enough Scholes pushed him a few seconds before.You could be right.
Didn't he give the Nani goal against Spurs a few years back, when Gomes dropped he ball?
How about not getting a game for half a year? Or refereeing a couple of leagues below, where wages are much less. That would be a good start.Also, since when do refs not suffer consequences? If you have a string af bad games as a ref, you won't be selected for CL games and other important fixtures. What else do you want them to suffer? Jail time?
Scholes pushed Clattenburg? How'd he get away with that?He did and funnily enough Scholes pushed him a few seconds before.
Scholes pushed Clattenburg? How'd he get away with that?
You're boring me now, grow up.says the guy who lives in he past
If the ref didn't stop the play for handball then this goal is legit.
I agree. This discussion is not about Clattenburg being partisan or having bias.Clattenburg is often good but sometimes he loses his mind and doesn't treat both teams equally and it's often due to how the fans or players reacted to one of his decisions, I think that most people noticed that. He has nothing against United and the league isn't bent, Clattenburg just has a flaw.
Sure, but at what point do you relegate a referee for half a year. I imagine they have contracts just like players do and you can't just cut their wage in half after they give a wrongful penalty. And players don't suffer these consequences either. I'm pretty sure Rooney is still making 350.000k a week. Thing is, refereeing is a shite job. You're the only one in the world who is withheld the video footage that makes it immediately visible if he made the right decision or not. Just think about it, it's absolutely insane. Why can't a team just say, okay we don't buy this decision we want to look at the situation again. Then if they're right, they can call on it again. If they're wrong, that's it. It's not hard.How about not getting a game for half a year? Or refereeing a couple of leagues below, where wages are much less. That would be a good start.
But thats exactly what i was saying mate. He's mentally weak if he is so easily swayed, referees should be impartial no matter which team/manager/players they are officiating and how they personally feel about those people because of things that they may have said to them before, during or after games.I'm not say mentality weak, I'm saying he's thought "feck you, I'll show ye" basically he punished mourinho and therefore Utd.
Nah mate only 2 of them were penalties, but thats besides the point. There have been many stonewall penalties down the years in United/Liverpool matches for both sides. Both sides will get the odd one here and there but with the how big and tense United/Liverpool matches are and how in depth every decision will be scrutinized Refs often seem reluctant to give 1 penalty never mind 2 in one of those games.3 stonewall penalties though.
Such a boring opinion, really.I didn't think he was that bad on Saturday, barring the red card. The only thing United paid the price for was their incompetence at putting the ball into the goal.
The penalty call was a tough one, but there wouldn't have been much point in awarding a penalty anyway. Even if he'd given one and moved the penalty spot to a yard from the goal, and forced the goalkeeper to try to save it from the other end of the pitch, United would have found a way not to score it.
No, United not being able to finish their chances is a petty and extremely childish reason to start having a go at the ref and basically accuse him of being a cheat.Such a boring opinion, really.
So because United couldn't finish their chances referees don't have to do their job properly? Ok.