I agree with everything you have written.
Perhaps Ive went down the wind up route too much for my point to be clear
Grant Holt would have scored 30 goals in 2017-18 with the service Ronaldo had at Real Madrid
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Perhaps Ive went down the wind up route too much for my point to be clear
Happens to all of us, especially given the recent state of this place. Sorry for being rude, I'm a cnut, have a good night.I agree with everything you have written.
Perhaps Ive went down the wind up route too much for my point to be clear
First goal in that video is just unreal.
Ronaldo f*cked OP's wife for sure.
I would've opted for Hesky over Holt personally.
It sadness me to read this thread.
I mean, I rate Grant Holt too, but this is pushing it a bit
This guy?
I don't know Grant Holt but it isn't outlandish to think that most competent strikers starting every game and taking every pen for RM would end up with 30 goals a season. Doing that from the wing is already much more difficult.
It is a bit outlandish as Benzema has only broken the 30 goal mark in one of his 9+ seasons with them. And yes he doesn't take pens regularly for them but he is a more than competent striker.
I think once Ronaldo retires it will be a good 5 or 10 years of not having anybody around even remotely like him before people fully appreciate just how good he is at putting the ball in the back of the net.
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I wouldnt really consider Zidane's version of Ronaldo as a winger.
Ronaldo has some of the best movement in world football. And only a handful of strikers are or par with his finishing. Whilst the OP is making a well argued point despite using Grant can't fecking spell for all the world to see Holt, 3-4 players in world football would match his numbers with service he got at Madrid, with Neymar and Mbappe being 2 of those. Although Neymar would have to sacrifice huge parts of his game to match that efficiency.
I dont know how Messi fits into this as he's a different kettle of fish altogether. I think only Neymar at times can do the things Messi does and Also his movement has been non existent since after Pep left?
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Wait, so he should have been picking the ball up from kick off and scoring all by himself? You’re right, absolutely ridiculous that he’s scored so many incorrect goals
Cant argue with anything you wrote.
Regarding Messi, yes, he is much different, which is the reason why I used Ronaldo to try and illustrate my point.
I do maintain the stance that Messi's freak stats are aided by Barcelona being the way they are but could not really come up with a case for replacing him (even in a humorous way) with an inferior striker, given that he does so much more than scoring.
Is this a joke thread?
there's a real lack of appreciation for how absolutely gash Grant Holt was going on here
Also you cant talk about Ronaldo and not mention his mentality and willpower to win which is unrivalled in world football. When the going gets tough he's unfazed and I reckon you can pick only a handful of footballers from history with his type of mentality.
It's unbelievable.
Don't really know why OP gets ridiculed that much. His point is absolutely valid. Of course even a half decent striker would score many, many goals for a team like Madrid. And players like Ibrahimovic, Cavani, Lewandowski or Kane in their primes would probably rival Ronaldo's output to some degree. And of course Messi's and Ronaldo's numbers are inflated since there has never been such a concentration of top players that lead to such a great gap of quality between top teams and runner ups.
However, if you have built such a brillant team you don't want it to serve only a half decent striker. You want it to serve the best you can get and that's the reason why the competition is so incredibly tough for these spots. If Perez had had the impression that someone available would've been better than Ronnie in his position he wouldn't have hesitated for even a second. But Ronaldo was the best and he would have put any other player bar probably Messi on the bench or would have forced them to play in a supportive role. There are more than enough examples. Ronaldo and Messi have played with more than enough super stars and they clearly dwarfed every single one of them: Eto'o, Henry, Suarez, Neymar, Sanchez, Benzema, Bale, Villa, Ibrahimovic, Higuain and so forth. That is the real accomplishment. Of course these players would also have averaged incredible numbers if they would've played the main role at Madrid or Barca. But they weren't good enough to get into the line ups or demand such a central role because there was even better competition.
Yet, I also do think that Ronaldo in his last years at Madrid profited greatly from the reputation he had built up throughout the years since it starts to look like Real Madrid is just as good without him thanks to Benzema and Bale having much more freedom which allows them to recover their goal scoring mojo.
However, if you have built such a brillant team you don't want it to serve only a half decent striker. You want it to serve the best you can get and that's the reason why the competition is so incredibly tough for these spots. If Perez had had the impression that someone available would've been better than Ronnie in his position he wouldn't have hesitated for even a second. But Ronaldo was the best and he would have put any other player bar probably Messi on the bench or would have forced them to play in a supportive role. There are more than enough examples. Ronaldo and Messi have played with more than enough super stars and they clearly dwarfed every single one of them: Eto'o, Henry, Suarez, Neymar, Sanchez, Benzema, Bale, Villa, Ibrahimovic, Higuain and so forth. That is the real accomplishment. Of course these players would also have averaged incredible numbers if they would've played the main role at Madrid or Barca. But they weren't good enough to get into the line ups or demand such a central role because there was even better competition.
Yet, I also do think that Ronaldo in his last years at Madrid profited greatly from the reputation he had built up throughout the years since it starts to look like Real Madrid is just as good without him thanks to Benzema and Bale having much more freedom which allows them to recover their goal scoring mojo.
Think of how much money Real Madrid could’ve saved. It’s a shame they aren’t as switched on. What a load of shite.
Ignoring the notion that any half decent striker would score "many, many" goals for Madrid, was the service Ibra, Lewandowski for example were given in Bayern and PSG inferior to Ronaldo's at Madrid? Both playing in arguably weaker leagues for amazing teams with hardly any competition in their league!
Jesus the football IQ in this forum is shocking. You cant possibly be that dumb can you? Grant fecking holt and Ronaldo in the same sentence.
Have you watched us at all in the last 2 seasons?
Messi carries our attack, not the other way around.
This comment was more regarding the pre-Luis Enrique era.
You are right, Messi's role has changed dramatically over the years.
Kevin Davies would have won the quarduple if He played for Barcelona in 2011–12.
I get saying Ronaldo is not as good as he used to be. I agree. He hasn't been at the level he used to be at since 2016. Arguably 2015.
But Messi, ffs man. He's still the best in the world now. Have you watched him play for Barca? Also his stats are pretty hard to argue with, in terms of not just goals, but assists, chance creation, dribbles, most attacking metrics. He also won the league spanish cup double with barca last season, pretty much carrying them. They had a nearly undefeated season.
But Messi, ffs man. He's still the best in the world now. Have you watched him play for Barca? Also his stats are pretty hard to argue with, in terms of not just goals, but assists, chance creation, dribbles, most attacking metrics. He also won the league spanish cup double with barca last season, pretty much carrying them. They had a nearly undefeated season.
Going from that video, this Grant Holt dude is several stone overweight.
What did impress me was that he was able lug around all that weight for the full length of the pitch.
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Words can't properly express my feeling towards this thread.
You're quite clearly either wumming or utterly deluded. Or both. Who knows which is true? Interesting stuff.
I thought you miss a 0 and should have wrote 300 goals
He would've scored less if the team was not built to provide for him. But you're underestimating his goal scoring ability. I don't believe any forward can compare to him in that regard.
And goals aside, if he did continue as a traditional winger most full backs would shit themselves due to his speed, quickness with the ball, ability on both feet and his crossing which is underrated. Just that his finishing ability is of such a high level it would be a waste for any team to not have their attack built around him.
And goals aside, if he did continue as a traditional winger most full backs would shit themselves due to his speed, quickness with the ball, ability on both feet and his crossing which is underrated. Just that his finishing ability is of such a high level it would be a waste for any team to not have their attack built around him.
Zlatan actually has a 50 goals in 51 games season.
Can I apologize to our Spanish and other foreign posters who follow Real for the state of this thread....
I think the opposite. Anderson Abreu could have had a bunch of assists, won la liga and the champions league just by passing the ball to Ronaldo's feet.
Impressive illiteracyThis guy?
WUM/attention seeking thread. Guy hasn't posted for a year and decides to make his return creating this? Fool
Both Holt and Ronaldo have the same number of goals for Juventus.
I'm not saying Holt = Ronaldo, we will have to wait until they've both finished their careers before we can realistically call that one.
I'm not saying Holt = Ronaldo, we will have to wait until they've both finished their careers before we can realistically call that one.
Nah you're talking bollocks mate.
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