Incredible how overrated he is on here. Christ alive.
Grealish To City? | City bid £100M
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Any City fans have theories on how he's going to be used? Seems like a couple of different options:
#2 Midfield is slow AF and Jesus will still stink up the team a bit
#3 is Pep doing Pep things. Might actually work.
- Straight up displaces Sterling / Mahrez from the team.
- In B. Silva's place, so they'll start with a midfield 3 of KdB + Grealish + Rodri
- Remove Jesus and play him as false 9?
#2 Midfield is slow AF and Jesus will still stink up the team a bit
#3 is Pep doing Pep things. Might actually work.
He’s a fantastic player and I’d welcome him at united with open arms based on his ability, however for the rumoured price of £100m I’d want more output in terms of goals and assists. Stats on chances created, through balls or for some unknown reason the number of fouls won (has this stat ever been peddled for any other player?) are all fine, but for that money you need someone to come in and win games of football by scoring and creating goals consistently. I’m sure in a better team his numbers would go up, but I don’t see him hitting KDB / Bruno numbers which for that outlay is what you need to justify the price tag.
We can try to take Bernardo off their hands. Brilliant little player. Not sure if Grealish will be great at City, he's a great player but he has to share the ball with De Bruyne who basically gets it all the time and dictates. Grealish won't have the luxury to hold and hog the ball like he has at Villa
Bernardo Silva has done well for them. Surprised they want to get rid of him.
It's all about shiny new toys for them every year
Bernardo was great for that 18 month period but overall he's a fine 7/10 player. However, HE wants to leave and join a club where he'll be their no.1 AM.
Huge missed opportunity if he goes to our main rivals. Sets us back considerably. City don't even need him.
Grealish isn’t going to take City to another level. He’s a very good player but they don’t need him. His game won’t be particularly effective within a Pep system and amongst other similar players.
I think people are confusing "most talented" with "best". The things he can do with the ball, I can't think of too many English players after Rooney who can do them.
With regards to the whole saga though, it's so draining. Just hope it gets done either way soon. City don't even need him, but are willing to break transfer records to get it done if you're to believe the papers. I know good teams have many good players, but having De Bruyne, Mahrez, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Ferran Torres and Grealish just seems like stockpiling at this point. Over half a billion will have been spent on them too. That's just 6 players!
With regards to the whole saga though, it's so draining. Just hope it gets done either way soon. City don't even need him, but are willing to break transfer records to get it done if you're to believe the papers. I know good teams have many good players, but having De Bruyne, Mahrez, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Ferran Torres and Grealish just seems like stockpiling at this point. Over half a billion will have been spent on them too. That's just 6 players!
I'm not surprised if City do push ahead with this one, can't get Kane so here you go Pep he's your consolation prize
Neither do we
If Rooney sets the bar then I'd say Drogba reached a similar level.
Hate that he goes to City. He will be great for them.
I don’t know what the right price is. But in my opinion he would hit Bruno, KDB numbers in a better team than Villa.
City are waiting for the outcome of the PL case for abusing FFP. This time there is no legal loophole to use to get away with it, again. If it was for FFP, City would be buying all the good players and the rest of the league, with the possible exception of Chelsea, would be way behind. Unfettered, City could spend £500 m per season on players transfers and salaries. That would kill the game. As it is, they are just a vanity project for Abu Dhabi and the property developers.
Because some people actually watch footballers play football rather than comparing their numbers only. Just watch him once and study what he does with the ball. 9/10 the correct decision. Drawing defenders to the ball and then releasing the fullback at the perfect time. Creating space when there is none. Driving with the ball and never giving it away. Winning crucial fouls time and time again.
Let's come back to this after the season ends. (God forbid he goes to city - he's going to be unplayable with the amount of ball and space they have)
Best player in the league and would start for any team in the world. What a nightmare that City have landed him when we could've but opted for Donny instead.
Talent doesn't depend on form or the season you have. For example, I'd say Messi is a more talented footballer than Ronaldo, by some distance even. But not much really separates them as "players" if that makes sense, especially if you were to look at just numbers. A lot more goes into being a good player than just talent.
But can't get a start for his country.
There's too much hyperbole in this thread at the moment. I watch him every other week and can't wrap my head round some of the comments here. He's a good potentially great player but at least, lets see how he performs at the highest level before throwing some of the comments I am seeing around.
If it was a choice between would I rather see them sign Grealish or see them sign Kane, it would be Grealish ever single day of the week.
They don’t even need him whereas Kane would be the perfect replacement for Aguero and guarantees them 25-30 goals
Where the hell have you got that from? he spent a huge portion of last season out injured and didn't play much at the Euro's the hyperbole around Grealish is absolutely crazy. He's spent the majority of his career in the fecking Championship.
Good player, brilliant on his day but he's nowhere near what you're claiming 'best player in the league'
Bruno had more goals/assists/chances created in 12 months at United than Grealish has had in his entire PL career for context
Great at winning free kicks though!
Not sure I’d go that far, he’s a maverick player which is why people like him. However I don’t think he’s the second coming of Ronaldinho like some appear to believe.
*unavailable, not injured.
He's superb. Keep in mind that he he does what he does in a Villa shirt. Some people never factor that into their arguments. Players have completely different level playing fields. It's not as if he's surrounded by insane talent when he plays the way he does! Pulling Villa into that kind of position until he picked up the injury was nothing short of magnificent.
How will he look when he's not the man in the team at City? Well, he'll be surrounded by players who will better anticipate his carries, passes, dribbles, through-balls; who will more often put away his key passes and in turn provide him with the ball in better positions.
He'll look even better under Pep because Pep is a great coach and is probably the best at taking a top player and maximising their potential.
How will he look when he's not the man in the team at City? Well, he'll be surrounded by players who will better anticipate his carries, passes, dribbles, through-balls; who will more often put away his key passes and in turn provide him with the ball in better positions.
He'll look even better under Pep because Pep is a great coach and is probably the best at taking a top player and maximising their potential.
Winning fouls isnt a fecking attribute. It means he's holding onto the ball for too long.
Opposition plays to tactically foul you, holding on to the ball long enough for that to happen is a fault in todays football.
It reeks of a player you like topping a random stat and using it as a positive for no reason.
Pogba holds on to the ball for too long amd he has to keep it simple. Jack does it and its winning crucial fouls.
If Jack moves I guarentee you he will not top the most fouled charts because it will be coached out of him or he won't play.
Wtf even is this argument? At least make some sense when trying to counter supposed "hyperbole". Wasn't it evident how influential he was whenever he came on? Also FYI Bruno can't get a start for Portugal.
No.
Have you ever seen him play? He wins fouls because he draws the defender until the last mili-second. Ronaldo used to do that. It has nothing to do with holding on to the ball too long.That’s exactly why I think he’s being overrated. ‘Walk into every team in world football’ as if.
Very good player who plays in a middle tier team that lets absolutely everything run through him. Long way to go to prove he’s anywhere near world class.
Yes I agree. And a lot more goes into being a good player than just numbers. Lukaku used to get numbers for us but he was a dreadful footballer for us. Grealish is getting both numbers and showing his abilities on the ball at a small club like Aston Villa. He might flop at City but at the moment it seems like City are getting a far better gamble and he's going to be a massive difference next season.
It's literally one poster with others just making fun of the comparison.
I think he could be world class already, but hard to say for definite until he’s at a top club. I’d personally love him here if pogba goes.
You arent the only one to watch him pay.No.
Drawing the defender in to the last millisecond is literally holding on to it for too long!
But a big part of what he does is because he does it in aVilla shirt. You mention how certain traits will look better playing with better players — true. Concurrently, said players won’t indulge the negative traits in his game he gets away with at Villa.
Pep doesn’t maximise the potential of every player he signs. There’s plenty of previous for that.
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Grealish is a good player. Pushing very good status. But you’d think he’s the first ever midtable player to play above his station with some of the praise in this thread!
No!
He's not holding on to the ball too long. He's holding on until the defender engages with him and then he either dribbles past or releases some one else. Literally every top player is a master at this including Messi.
But then, statistically speaking, despite his indulgences he has one of the best retention and offensive percentages in the league in both attempts successful and key, so, where Grealish is concerned there's really not much that can be deemed negative or in need or being curbed for the sake of Pep's system.
That is true, however, I'd go so far as to say that he's the first mid-table player (in a long while) that had a real shot at winning Premier League Player of the Year award. Who else can we say, in recent history, that was even in the running? But for his injury, it was almost certain with the way he was playing.
How can a player you say will definitely "walk into any 11 in the world" not be a starter for his country?
I am not saying he shouldn't start for England(he probably should), I am only showing how ridiculous some of the comments here are.
Riyad Mahrez. In fact, I think he actually did win it. He is now potentially being kicked to the curb for Jacky boy.
I’d go a step further and say Mahrez at Leicester > Grealish at Villa.
Yes this thread is two extremes. But I guess the frustration is because he's going to a bloated squad at City when he'll walk into our side (especially since Pogba is leaving)
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