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Boris was great to watch but big Pete is still the best for me.Yes. He was different, and I loved the serve and athleticism, as well. The Booming Becker serve.
Boris was great to watch but big Pete is still the best for me.Yes. He was different, and I loved the serve and athleticism, as well. The Booming Becker serve.
The Croat has a name and different nationality.Not sure how you can compare the modern era with a time when wooden racquets were the norm.
Anyway. Boris Becker is my favourite of all time. The Croat is clearly the best modern era player though. Borg probably best wooden era player.
One argument for Federer is that he peaked in his mid/late 20's. The moment he was past his physical prime he had to contend with the other two GOATS in their physical prime. This could also explain Federer's comeback in his mid 30's, I guess?Here is the list of Grand Slams won by each player at each age:
19: Federer (0) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (0) 0-1-0
20: Federer (0) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (1) 0-2-1
21: Federer (1) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (0) 1-3-1
22: Federer (2) - Nadal (3) - Djokovic (0) 3-6-1
23: Federer (2) - Nadal (0) - Djokovic (1) 5-6-2
24: Federer (3) - Nadal (3) - Djokovic (3) 8-9-5
25: Federer (3) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (1) 11-10-6
26: Federer (1) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (0) 12-11-6
27: Federer (3) - Nadal (2) - Djokovic (2) 15-13-8
28: Federer (1) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (3) 16-14-11
29: Federer (0) - Nadal (0) - Djokovic (1) 16-14-12
30: Federer (1) - Nadal (0) - Djokovic (0) 17-14-12
31: Federer (0) - Nadal (2) - Djokovic (3) 17-16-15
32: Federer (0) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (2) 17-17-17
33: Federer (0) - Nadal (2) - Djokovic (1) 17-19-18
34: Federer (0) - Nadal (1) - Djokovic (1+) 17-20-19
35: Federer (2) - Nadal (N/A) - Djokovic (N/A) 19-20-19
36: Federer (1) - Nadal (N/A) - Djokovic (N/A) 20-20-19
To the best of my knowledge, players used to fall off the edge of a cliff at the age of 30 so interesting to note that Federer has won 4 of his 20 Grand Slams since he turned 30, Nadal 6 out of 20, and Djokovic 7 out of 19.
In a way, the 80s were a great era in tennis. No dominant champions and far more intrigue and competition. You never knew who was going to win which slam, which made things a hell of a lot more interesting. 17 year olds like Becker, Wilander, and Chang were showing up out of nowhere and winning slams. Fun times.Yes. He was different, and I loved the serve and athleticism, as well. The Booming Becker serve.
The Croat has a name and different nationality.
Had he accepted UK citizenship at the start of his career, quite sure that GOAT talk would have been settled long ago.
Many tennis fans cannot accept an Eastern European towering over "their" Western sport.
good points fit after seeing all 3 over the last 15-20-ish years (since Fed came onto the scene) I don’t have the slightest doubt in my mind Djokovic is the best of the three.Question: at which point does it become pedantic to focus purely on number of slams? Winning 10 slams is extremely good. 20 is just insane. And soon we might have 3 players on that number.
Can you really definitely conclude that a player with 21 slams is better than player with 20, just because the number is higher? Once you're approaching 20 slams, things like luck with injuries, timing, surface, lucky draws and other margins will start to play an increasingly bigger role.
Success, while important, is not the only important metric. Not even in some individual sports. I think that if the margin is only 1 or 2 slams, then it's a bit silly to purely lean on that argument. It's certainly a good argument to back your case, though. Particularly seeing as all 3 played in the same era(though Federer hit his peak long before Djokovic).
In a way, the 80s were a great era in tennis. No dominant champions and far more intrigue and competition. You never knew who was going to win which slam, which made things a hell of a lot more interesting. 17 year olds like Becker, Wilander, and Chang were showing up out of nowhere and winning slams. Fun times.
Nadal and Djokovic may have won a slam earlier in their careers than Federer did but I wouldn't go so far as to say they broke through earlier. Nadal, I think, beat Federer on Hard in Miami in 2005 but in my eyes, I don't think he really broke through on Hard/Grass until 2007/2008. Djokovic won the AO in 2008 but went off the boil for a while so hard to say he had made much of a break-through until 2011.One argument for Federer is that he peaked in his mid/late 20's. The moment he was past his physical prime he had to contend with the other two GOATS in their physical prime. This could also explain Federer's comeback in his mid 30's, I guess?
But of course: Nadal and Djokovic deserve credit for having their breakthrough 1-2 years earlier than Federer and reaching a very high level quickly enough for Federer to be able to not hoard slams.
The Croat has a name and different nationality.
Had he accepted UK citizenship at the start of his career, quite sure that GOAT talk would have been settled long ago.
Many tennis fans cannot accept an Eastern European towering over "their" Western sport.
I agree Federer is the best *tennis player of all time. Djokovic is the best player of all time.Agreed that by all clear metrics Djokivic is the best.
But while the mind acknowledges that, the heart will always say Fed. His peak was - as a tennis player - exactly what tennis should look like. And he basically went to every major semi final for what felt like a decade. That's insane.
Finally, I hate Djokovics tactic with his toss. I refuse to believe it's anything other than gamesmanship and would drive me utterly insane as a returner.
not only that, but also the changes with the tournaments are rarely taken into consideration. for example, Australian Open was grass court tournament until the late 80's and in past it didn't have fixed timing like today, when it's always played in january. it was perfectly normal for AO to be played sometimes in december, sometimes in march, sometimes in august etc. there are clear differences between AO Djokovic is winning and the ones Laver was winning.Not sure how you can compare the modern era with a time when wooden racquets were the norm.
Am I missing a joke here?The Croat really is a monster. Only player to have a positive score against The Serb.
Djokovic may be the best technical player ever. Nadal the best specialist by a huge margin. Federer the best in totality.There's a strong case for Djokovic now but I get people preferring Federer at their best there isn't much difference between the two. At this point I think Nadal has fallen behind them but still probably the best clay player and one of the best overall.
Of that era, my favourite was Stefan Edberg's serve-and-volley play.Yes. He was different, and I loved the serve and athleticism, as well. The Booming Becker serve.
Yeah, but it's a poor one. Stealing The Croat/The Serb confusion from previous posts to make it about aces record holder who also has 2-1 against Nole in career.Am I missing a joke here?
No way, Federer will go by way of Sampras. Phenomenal player, but Nadal overtook him some time back only to be usurped by Djokovic. Federer is #3 all time for me.There's a strong case for Djokovic now but I get people preferring Federer at their best there isn't much difference between the two. At this point I think Nadal has fallen behind them but still probably the best clay player and one of the best overall.
Agreed, and ultimately when there is some degree of debate, a lot of people are going to naturally gravitate towards the player they like the most or most enjoyed watching, which will likely be Fed. Djokovic could of course put all of these issues to bed this year if he wins the grand slam.There's a strong case for Djokovic now but I get people preferring Federer at their best there isn't much difference between the two. At this point I think Nadal has fallen behind them but still probably the best clay player and one of the best overall.
That's a good way to summarize it and it's a shame Federer isn't 5/4 years younger to keep competing with them.Djokovic may be the best technical player ever. Nadal the best specialist by a huge margin. Federer the best in totality.
He's been skipping master events recently, think over the next 2-3 years he will start to skip a few more events and concentrate more on slams only. Actually think he alluded to that earlier this year?Yeah, Feds not overly happy about it. It’s been obvious for a while, well since Novak did everything he could plus a bit more really.... he could hold off Nadal on the basis on Nadal’s legacy being heavily clay-centric.
He loved it at the top - something others didn’t - Borg, Mcenroe etc. Novak’s never truly had to deal with that fame, or Nadal(though bigger than Novak) really... because Fed as the celeb absolutely trumped them.
And now Nadal’s doing what his fanbase has been crushing Fed for doing with clay ... “listening to his body” and skipping the slam he has no chance at, wheres Novak gonna start skipping
No idea that you're talking about. His retirement?My favrouite part is how upset Federer and his fans are about the whole situation. They never saw it coming 10 years ago
Each to their own but Nadal will always be number 3 for meNo way, Federer will go by way of Sampras. Phenomenal player, but Nadal overtook him some time back only to be usurped by Djokovic. Federer is #3 all time for me.
Yes but none of those players were anywhere near as good as the big threeIn a way, the 80s were a great era in tennis. No dominant champions and far more intrigue and competition. You never knew who was going to win which slam, which made things a hell of a lot more interesting. 17 year olds like Becker, Wilander, and Chang were showing up out of nowhere and winning slams. Fun times.
I’m a Federer fan and I’m not upset about it.My favrouite part is how upset Federer and his fans are about the whole situation. They never saw it coming 10 years ago
The big three didn't exist then - a good thing that ultimately made the 80s more interesting.Yes but none of those players were anywhere near as good as the big three
It’s a made up narrative from none Fed fansI’m a Federer fan and I’m not upset about it.
Yep.It’s a made up narrative from none Fed fans