I share your thoughts. Griezmann is past it, and on the wrong side of 20s.
He can play CF too, and guarantees 20+ goals
Martial is better at CF and Rashford is working perfectly at LW. Neither 'guarantee' 20 plus goals having never done it. But if they do that this year would be good to see them replicate it consistently. Regardless left wing is not a priority.
No thanks. Didn't want him before, and I certainly don't now.
I think he meant Griezmann could do on the right side what Rashford does on the left, i.e. come back on his left foot and be a goal threat.
I think we shouldn't try more experiments trying to shoehorn stars for the sake of it. Griezmann is the wrong age, profile and role IMO. I've always been an admirer of the player but I wouldn't sign him at United. If we take Sancho as a reference point , he offers so much more mobility, link up play, dribbling ability, adaptability (given his age), that Griezmann would be too big a shift in focus. If Sancho doesn't work out and I really we have to go for an alternative I'd try to find someone else.
Barcelona would still have their major problem, their midfield isn't creative and it isn't good defensively which exposes their central defense and doesn't support their attack. Griezmann on the left is a bad fit but when he shifts to the right during games as an inside forward he does a lot better.
If he could play as CF, they wouldn't have much trouble to use him in a way that helps the team. I also understand that they don't shift around the one outfield player, who is carrying the team for years, when the situation is already difficult for unknown benefits. Who knows how Messi would look like as center forward. He doesn't have the legs for it and Barca frequently need him deeper anyway.
He is actually 29 and I meant RF similar to what Rashford does as LF. My mistake, but I feel Griezman can still offer something special. Also, as I said in my original posts, I would only be committed to this once Ole see's him as a fit for our squad. If not, I won't be too concerned as Ole has shown he has what it takes when choosing his players.
But Messi doesn't play on the right, you wouldn't be shifting him because while he is nominally a right winger/inside forward he never is there, most of the time he plays through the middle which creates a lot of imbalance with the middle and left side overcrowded and the right side completely deserted. Griezmann and whoever plays as striker currently has the problem of having to share space with Messi in the middle.
I never said anything about where Messi plays. I disagree if you think that he plays a false9. I also don't think that Suarez has any problem with sharing space in the middle with Messi. Without Messi, Suarez would be done.
I didn't say that he was currently playing as a false nine and Suarez hasn't been particularly good in the last couple of seasons.
If Ole feels that way, I'd disagree with Ole. He's not some genius manager I'd be willing to let go of the logic I am inclined to believe in favour of. He's been a fantastic player over the years, and I won't bet against him re-reaching that level of performances in the future. However, I do believe that every football has to have it's own particular vision. And I think our current set of players represent ours pretty well. Whether it's players LVG brought in /through like Martial and Rashford or those that Mourinho did (Fred/McTominay) or Ole (AWB), or Greenwood who I can't remember under whom he made his debut, through years of being mismanaged we appear to have a theme in this team of pace, skill, explosiveness and the right age. Also, we generally have no faired well in recent buying players A) at the wrong side of the 30s and B) who have some positional issues. And Griezmann as good as he is, has a specific skillset that doesn't allow him to be slotted.. just anywhere. He isn't a Neymar who you just pick up and put in. He's not quick enough for a wide man, he's not strong enough for a 9. He's excellent at what he does but I dont believe we need that given we have Pogba and Fernandes in central areas.
No he's not, get that nonsense out of here
We should just tell him we are really interested in signing him, then when he thinks we will make an offer, be like no thanks. Literally what he did to us.
BS, Griezmann is being played out of position. As a player he is inarguably better than Martial it’s not even close. Swap out Martial with Griezmann and United would’ve finished third in the league instead of battling for a CL spot.No he's not, get that nonsense out of here
Past years, sure but saying Griezman this season is a better player than Martial let alone "much much better" border on delusion.
That's not true, we would lose what Martial provided and even though I do think that Griezmann is currently better, he would only be an actual asset with Martial in a 4231. He would be a massive upgrade on Lingard during the first part of the season but at best a marginal one on Fernandes.
You're simply throwing excuses around. Truth of the matter is Griezman has been poor this season and has so far flopped at Barcelona while Martial has had a better season than him and performed better. Also we're actually on our way to third place.
I disagree with that, it matters a lot why a player is performing poorly. Particularly when said players does well, when the team plays collectively. There is a reason why most Barcelona players are doing poorly.
So a player having a better season means he’s the better player overall? No, disagree with that completely. Griezmann IS a better player than martial. Martial still wouldn’t sniff the starting XI of the French national team. Griezmann having a bad season is due to being played out of position and being completely misused. The fact that United still seem to be very interested in signing him despite having Martial says it all. But it’s understandable a United player would get overrated on a United forum.
We seem to be interested in signing Griezman? Where did you hear that? Even if we were interested in signing him that would be to play as RW, nothing to do with Martial.
And yet Griezmann is still the much better player. Modric won ballon d’or in 2018,We seem to be interested in signing Griezman? Where do hear hear that? Even if we were interested in signing him that would be to play as RW, nothing to do with Martial.
Ironic you talk about me as a United fan overrating our players while yourself as a Barca fan seem to think everyone is clamoring for your flop when that couldn't be further from the truth.
2019/20 Martial > 2019/20 Griezman. And no we're not interested in him right now and he wouldn't replace Martial in our team so stop deluding yourself
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I don't want him at United, I don't think that he is a good tactical fit and he would be expensive in terms of wage and loan fee. I wanted him to stay at Atletico and beat the goalscoring record but now he should go to Milan or Inter, he could actually be swapped with Lautaro Martinez which would be reminiscent of an other swap deal between these two teams.
Now you just sound angry and hurt
I don’t think so, not for what United are trying to do, he lacks dynamism. If you ask who I’d want in United’s team next season it would be Martial.
Yeah.. This is nonsense
100% this. Absolutely right, signing 29+ galacticos is insane. Definition of insanity is to do the same things and expect different results.
I assume you work for martial with these types of posts? You’re talking about euro player of the tournament and a World Cup winner and then you have...martial wow.Now you just sound angry and hurt
Our interest has been on the likes of Sancho and Grealish. Sure we might be interested in Griezman(which would be a mistake) if we can't get our initial targets but as things we aren't into him. A player that need a team to create a specific role for him isn't what we need and thankfully we aren't looking at him. No one want to have same Barca issues where they'll be moaning about suiting a system for Griezman or talking about him being played out of position.
Martial to us is far more valuable than what Griezman would bring to the table. We don't have a specific role tailored for him waiting.
Also if Griezman doesn't get himself out of Barcelona and has another dud season while Martial continue going on the up, all these talks of him being a better players will be distant history. So for his sake he better pray things work out for him at Barca(unlikely) or find himself another club that'll suit his specific strengths.
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