Osimhen seems like the better player, but is he also a somewhat difficult personality?
Gyökeres or Osimhen - who is your preferred #9?
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Remember when we were in for Danny Ings. Some of you lot don't know you're born.
Yeah Danny ings is the same calibre of these two mentioned.
Neither are the absolute top level in my opinion, and therefore there is no standout choice. Osimhen I feel would suit being more of a target man type, he’s athletic and strong, good in the air, can score goals from nowhere with quick turns and snap shots etc, determined to get onto the end of things which takes a level of bravery.
Gyokeres better probably against a high line, decent power and seems quick, able to carry the ball well in straight lines and hold off defenders. A few say Osimhen if the better player but I’m not convinced, I think Gyokeres is better outside of the box. My issue with Gyokeres, which isn’t really a fault of his own, is that I don’t see him getting some of the opportunities he currently scores from in the PL. He likes to drift onto the shoulder of the defenders and that’s often not an option. We play a lot of low blocks and to me, this favours the skill set of Osimhen.
Maybe we are going to try to hit a lot quicker in transition, given we have Cunha, Mbuemo maybe and Gyokeres maybe. This would suggest we’ll be set up to hit opposition teams quickly on the break.
Gyokeres better probably against a high line, decent power and seems quick, able to carry the ball well in straight lines and hold off defenders. A few say Osimhen if the better player but I’m not convinced, I think Gyokeres is better outside of the box. My issue with Gyokeres, which isn’t really a fault of his own, is that I don’t see him getting some of the opportunities he currently scores from in the PL. He likes to drift onto the shoulder of the defenders and that’s often not an option. We play a lot of low blocks and to me, this favours the skill set of Osimhen.
Maybe we are going to try to hit a lot quicker in transition, given we have Cunha, Mbuemo maybe and Gyokeres maybe. This would suggest we’ll be set up to hit opposition teams quickly on the break.
If it was a straight choice between the two I'd suggest Gyokeres, purely based on the relationship and understanding he already has with Amorim
The French League and Italian league are better than the Portuguese league and the Championship though.
I really don't get all the hype over a 27 year old that has spent his entire career in mid tier leagues.
Viktor or Victor...hmm, give me either in all honestly as they are both light years ahead of anybody else who has played as a striker for United in recent times.
If I had to be pushed into choosing one, I would say Gyökeres due to his familiarity with Amorim, prior experience playing and importantly living in England, plus, he is European, so would not go off to play in African tournaments for extended periods of time.
The argument that Gyökeres is unproven at a higher level is somewhat flawed - people are conveniently overlooking the fact that he has decent records at both international & champions league level.
If I had to be pushed into choosing one, I would say Gyökeres due to his familiarity with Amorim, prior experience playing and importantly living in England, plus, he is European, so would not go off to play in African tournaments for extended periods of time.
The argument that Gyökeres is unproven at a higher level is somewhat flawed - people are conveniently overlooking the fact that he has decent records at both international & champions league level.
Osimhen's best career year was in Turkey, which at best could be considered on par with the Portuguese league, so all we have to do is compare their performances over the past year.
As pure strikers, hands down Osimhen, but he'll demand way too much wages, even if we were in CL, he would demand alot even if Madrid or Barca came knocking
So, that makes Gyokeres the better choice overall, but purely on Football, Osimhen is the better player.
So, that makes Gyokeres the better choice overall, but purely on Football, Osimhen is the better player.
Agreed.
Good point
Amorim knows Gyokeres.
Osimhen probably wants 5x the wages, and i think he is more likely to chase other clubs for more money or glory, atleast that's my impressions of him.
Osimhen probably wants 5x the wages, and i think he is more likely to chase other clubs for more money or glory, atleast that's my impressions of him.
Osimhen was brilliant for Napoli in 2022/2023, he scored 26 in Serie A and 5 in CL, which is definitely better than 26 in Turkish Super Lig and 6 in Europa League
The only thing history will remember is that he scored 37 goals last year and 31 in 2022/23.
Yeah. Just like how Ronaldo was objectively better in 23-24 with 50 goals than he was in 07-08 with a mere 42.
I agree with this
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We're talking about the same player only two seasons apart. When Osimhen is done playing, no one will ignore his Galatasaray season because it was in Turkey.
Fair enough, but we both know Osimhen is the superior player, and I do not question his character as a pro, it's just that I think he will demand a huge salary and that's not something the club should entertain at this juncture
Always preferred Oshimen but I’m a sucker for the recency biased. Gyökeres seems to be the best fit for the group of guys we currently have.
How disingenuous. History will remember first and foremost that he was a Serie A title-winning striker for Napoli and the striker who won them their first league title in decades. Doesn't matter if he scored a 100 goals in Turkey. Nobody remembers Dzeko first for scoring 30+ goals in Turkey. They remember him for winning titles in Germany and England with the Germany title with Wolfsburg being what he will be the most remembered for because he was the main man.Track recrod is not even remotely close. Osimhen in Italy and France clears whatever Gyokeres has done in his career to date.
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Yep. This for me as well.
Looks like this is a myth, Osimhen rejected 30M net per year offer from Al-hilal proves he is not all for moeny.
Its nice that even Gyokeres rejected that sort of money to stay in Europe proves a good starting point to consider him.
They both have their own merits but I go to Gyokeres purely because he knows Amorim system well and he involves a lot in build-up play and i like those thunderbolts from outside the box too.
There was a rumour Osimhen rejected us in the past so that is my another reason, opposite to that Gyokeres rejected Arsenal and waiting for us.
Both fit the system. In terms of pure talent I think Osimhen is the better player. But it just feels like one of those transfers where you're paying off agents left, right and centre to get him to sign, along with then giving him a stupid wage for the next 5 years. We should leave that nonsense behind.
Track recrod is not even remotely close. Osimhen in Italy and France clears whatever Gyokeres has done in his career to date.
No one said his one good season in Italy wouldn't be remembered, but his numbers in Turkey are what stand out most recently. The previous season in Italy, he only got 17 goals in all comps, which was coupled with a lot of drama that saw him leave the club. For the purpose of evaluating a player for a transfer in the present, the further back in their history you go, the more the relevance of their performances decohere.
I think this may be decisive. He knows the system and how to work within it.
Amorim can ensure we work to Gyokeres strengthens and try to mitigate his weaknesses where possible.
Gyokeres poor heading is a weakness. Whereas Osimhen maybe the best striker with his head in Europe.
Tbh, I'd be happy with either. Just to have a proper experienced striker up front again.
Osimhen. I just feel that he's easily the better player. I've seen a lot more of him that Gyokeres tbf and Gyokeres is on a clear upward trajectory.
I'd be happy with either given our plight.
I'd be happy with either given our plight.
Osimhen will down tools if he feels wronged in any way. What we know about the turmoil that exists within our club, he could become the next Rashford, Pogba or Sancho.
Gyokeres is much less of a risk, and he knows and thrives in Amorim's system. So for me this is an easy choice to make.
Osimhen will rock the boat, Gyokeres will steady it.
Gyokeres is much less of a risk, and he knows and thrives in Amorim's system. So for me this is an easy choice to make.
Osimhen will rock the boat, Gyokeres will steady it.
This. No other real reason needed if it's only a choice between the 2.
Osimhen would be my choice if we would only look at on the field performance and Amorim didnt work with Gyökeres before. Putting this into context and wages, Gyökeres.
I think Osinhen could be a goal machine and would be perfect for the league. Just not sure he would fit in right now with our direction. Under different corcumstances, i would take Osimhen over Gyökeres for sure
I think Osinhen could be a goal machine and would be perfect for the league. Just not sure he would fit in right now with our direction. Under different corcumstances, i would take Osimhen over Gyökeres for sure
Why all the fuss about Osimhen? He has only once in his career scored more than 20 goals in the league (not counting the Turkish league).
Osimhen is more dominant, more direct, even considered the complete striker, the kind of player an attack is built around. But Gyokeres is a better fit, tailored for Amorim’s vision and someone I see complementary to Cunha and Mbeumo- he also comes without the perceived baggage.
United’s ecosystem is fragile. We cannot afford strong personalities or agendas to pollute the United rebuild. The muppet in me would’ve gone for Osimhen 9 out of 10 times, but times have changed.
United’s ecosystem is fragile. We cannot afford strong personalities or agendas to pollute the United rebuild. The muppet in me would’ve gone for Osimhen 9 out of 10 times, but times have changed.
He's proven, top quality goal scorer. The Turkish league, although not one of the big 5, is still not insignificant when one scores 37 goals in all comps there, and was only 2 short of the all time record.
I'm not really that bothered about either of them. I think Osimhen would score more goals but I don't think he's a complete enough striker to justify the overall package that would be required to sign him.
So Gyokeres comfortably leads the poll but Osimhen comfortably leads in the comments.
Almost as if Osimhen has a proven goalscoring record in leagues besides the Turkish one