I hope you didn't mean to say that Gerd Müller and RVN are in the same tier.
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Müller basically only played in the Bundesliga, so you have to divide his goal tally by four.
Maybe 5.
Well we had our chance and failed both times, just hate the fact he's doing for a PL rival, so painful
Remember how people had reservations about signing him because he had Riaola as his agent. Then none of it mattered because he went and fecking died?
To them, or them to Haaland? Or Gerd to Rudd to each other? Gerd scored more goals, but if we're going to be honest the Bundesliga at the time isn't nearly as competitive as the leagues Ruud played in when he was at United and then Real.
Erling Haaland is as of this moment 25 years old and according to a quick search has scored 214 goals in all club and country competitions. (Seems low, but who am I to argue it?) If my math is right, Gerd Muller scored a total, club and country, 555 goals. Ruud...284 total for clubs and country. Both numbers seem low to me, but that's what I found. We'll see where Erling lands with his total career goals when he hangs up his boots about a decade from now. If he's managed to score 214 goals in his four seasons so far with City and his prior two clubs in the Bundesliga and Norway, it's not hard to see him scoring at least another 300 goals in the remaining ten years he can reasonably to continue to perform at this level.
But forget about his goals...what about his whopping salary? Oh my. According to fbref Erling earns, pre-tax of course, 525k/weekly on a deal that ends June 2034. I would have guessed 350k/week but not 525k/week.
Born: July 21, 2000 (Age: 25-109d) in Leeds, England, United Kingdom
National Team: Norway no Other: England
Club: Manchester City
Wages: ￡ 525,000 Weekly Expires June 2034. Via Capology.
Instagram: @erling.haaland
Not sure which numbers you were tallying up but it’s probably not. 735 goals in 793 official games (not to mention 748 goals in 433 “friendlies”, which were a bit different games at the time as you can tell by the sheer number of them).
Muller has a case for being a top 10 player of all time in my book, most wouldn't agree but he's certainly among the top 3 strikers of all time.
a Ridiculous record he had whether at the club level or international level, take him out of those teams and history would be very different indeed.
He'd be rated much higher were he playing in today's stat obsessed footballing world.
Mate, I know that there is a bias towards the Premiere League and towards the present, but in no way shape or form is RVN as good a striker as Gerd Müller.
Although I find it hard to measure Gerd as precisely as Ruud and Haaland, I do not think Ruud belongs in this discussion.
When Gerd gets the ball on his "weak" foot or anywhere outside the box, he is a much bigger goal threat than Ruud, while being just as deadly inside.
And Haaland has movement that gives him significantly more chances than Ruud. As a result, both are bigger goal threats
With that being said, Gerd's numbers are against many weak back 5s, not only in its time, but you also have to factor in that by today's standards, it was a semi-serious sport back then. Many defenders and keepers were smoking before, after, and sometimes during halftime in those days. But that's not his fault, and you can not dominate much harder goal-wise back then either.
When Gerd gets the ball on his "weak" foot or anywhere outside the box, he is a much bigger goal threat than Ruud, while being just as deadly inside.
And Haaland has movement that gives him significantly more chances than Ruud. As a result, both are bigger goal threats
With that being said, Gerd's numbers are against many weak back 5s, not only in its time, but you also have to factor in that by today's standards, it was a semi-serious sport back then. Many defenders and keepers were smoking before, after, and sometimes during halftime in those days. But that's not his fault, and you can not dominate much harder goal-wise back then either.
So the league that produced the European Cup, World Cup and 3x back-to-back-to-back European Cup winners during Muller’s time wasn’t competitive? And yet their domination of a chunk of a decade across all platforms came about? Only Czechoslovakia stopping the West Germans prevented a clean sweep of majors through the two EC’s and a WC. You couldn’t have picked a worse era in the entirety of German football history to call uncompetitive compared to anyone else. Bayern weren’t even the super power of the league during that time, having to wrestle non-stop with a rampant Munchengladbach. The logical argument would actually be that iron sharpened iron and made it easier for Muller to shine on any platform provided.
The PL of Ruud’s era wasn’t particularly strong, and La Liga has no repute as a place it’s difficult to score goals in, being an open and attacking league with not many elite CB’s at the best of times.
Bayern were fantastic, but the rest of their league wasn’t as competitive as the PL is today. As is the case now. But none of this is to suggest that Muller wasn’t brilliant. He of course was. But Haaland is facing much tougher competition now, though it must be acknowledged that Haaland plays for a cheating shitbag of a football club.
I literally stated Bayern weren’t even the superpower of the domestic league in my post. My quote was about RVN comparison to Muller that you made. Ruud didn’t come up in a miserly scoring era in either the PL or LL, nor against a plentiful supply of CB’s of great repute.
Haaland’s era is even worse, barely any great CB’s in the game let alone the league, so scoring effectiveness has no great disparity between the players that have been mentioned. It’s hardly the gridlock of 1980’s Serie A or defensive era of the late 00’s.
Even if you discount his domestic performance he still constantly produced more than a goal a game average throughout the more prestigious competitions one would be hard pressed to discount, almost always scoring in the semis or finals of those tourneys.
I dunno why even some fans put any sort of effort in trying to sellect their favorite player ever at a certain role or whatever if the first thing they do it's demeriting (or even totally disergard) anything older than 15 years ago.
The Bundesliga led the UEFA ranking from 1976 to 1984.
Another two goals for Norway. He's scored 30 goals this season already! Such a tryhard honestly.
That’s an obscene amount.
I know it's "only" Norway and international football has changed a lot, but it's ridiculous to be his country's top scorer by a margin of 20 goals at age 25.
He’s a fecking machine.
At age 24 he already had more national goals than any Italian or Russian that ever lived. And you can insert many more smaller nations in there. I know Italy played in a certain way for many years, still, it should not be possible at 24 in my world.
We’re what, a bit over a quarter of the way through the season? On course for 100+ goal return.
It can't last at this rate surely?
In my fantasy team, quite happy to see him scoring all season and getting me those juicy points.
Feel like this kinda thought happens every season. He generally starts the season at this kinda scoring rate. Only difference this season is how suddenly goals for Norway keep being mentioned.
One thing I’ve noticed is everytime he scores in the PL a banner comes up talking about ‘insert goals for club and country’ this season. I’ve never ever seen that happen with any other player. Usually it’s just “20th goals of the season” referring to club. All of a sudden every week in the PL and Cl were hearing about all his goals for Norway.
Seems we've reached the point where people care more about imaginary points than actually wanting rivals to do badly.
It certainly eases the pain. That's why I don't select United players in mine. If they do sh*t then it makes it me feel extra worse
I've been double enjoying all my Mbeumo pointsIt certainly eases the pain. That's why I don't select United players in mine. If they do sh*t then it makes it me feel extra worse
30 goals already in mid-November, feck me. I suppose he'll slow down a bit eventually, but the current projection to the full season must be absolutely insane.
Yeah thats just daft. Gerd Muller has 86 goals in a calendar year at his peak. His international goal ratio is ridiculous as well.
RVN is a United legend but as great as he was as a scorer, he can't be compared to Muller.
Saw this crazy stat, his IQ is so underrated.
It’s a development that I’m not overly fond off. Actually rooting for a Liverpool player to score due to a game. Nah
he's so quick he doesn't need to gamble much. he'll just steamroll your ass
Saw this crazy stat, his IQ is so underrated.
I don't think so; it's just so accepted that its time to be a talking point has long since passed. There was an interview where he was even disappointed with the amount of times he has been offside saying he needs to improve that, so it's clearly something he prides himself on.
Saw this crazy stat, his IQ is so underrated.
It's not even a purely positive thing. You want to push the limits, which means that sometimes you're going to be offside. Where the sweet spot is is hard to judge, but it's not a given that it's closer to Haaland's numbers than the others. It's a bit like conversion rate: of course you want to score every time you shoot, but if you never miss then you're either a robot or you're taking too few shots.
I have a theory that his height and stride pattern plays a huge part in what determines a good run for him. He uses initial steps behind the offside line to get his speed up, and by the time he's in line, he's already in full stride and that much harder to catch. I don't think playing on the line is actually more beneficial for him because the most likely time to catch him is those initial steps so he negates that entirely, or tries to.
He's a juggernaut once he gets going and I think both he and his opponents know it, so there'd likely be a preference for him to play closer to the line, giving them a larger opportunity to engage.
Although there might be some truth to that if you apply it to all number 9s, I think it is close to a purely positive thing for fast number 9s with a long history of getting many chances in every team they played in. When you are offside, you're not only never going to score, but you're also giving away the ball every single time. Haaland being 50cm onside instead of 1 cm will only matter when the chance is not as big as a result, but even then, he may still have the ball/get a corner, etc., in those cases when he is not scoring. Every time he is offside, there is 0 goal, and the ball is gone.
Do we think Haaland would get a bigger increase than his decrease in chances by risking more offside?
I'm guessing fewer chances overall.
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Man City accomplishments mean nothing to me. They could win 20 titles and 20 CL is a row for the next 20 years, and I would never acknowledge them or take them seriously.
They are a jacked up to team through financial doping. I don't care one bit about them.
But at the same time, United are not in a title challenge against them, therefore they can win all the games they want, the only games that I care about is the Manchester Derby.
You may have your own opinions on them, but I don't question mine. I don't care whatsoever, and the only time I ever will care what happens with them is when it finally all comes out regarding the 130 or so charges against them.
I don't have any Liverpool players in my line up.
And nobody that does fantasy football who cares about their club hopes such and such score from a rival team, but predict that the said player will probably have a good game.
God forbid there is a game that people play amongst work colleagues and friends that is based off personal predictions and not off hope that rivals get them points.
And by the way, I don't consider Man City a rival and if we were challenging for the tital and were a threat, he wouldn't be in my team.
They'll revert to Newcastle level once Pep leaves.