Haaland at City

Aside from international football, I couldn't care less about his achievements. He could score 100 goals a season and I wouldn't care because of the cheating club he plays for.
 
SungSam7 said:
Man City accomplishments mean nothing to me. They could win 20 titles and 20 CL is a row for the next 20 years, and I would never acknowledge them or take them seriously.

They are a jacked up to team through financial doping. I don't care one bit about them.

But at the same time, United are not in a title challenge against them, therefore they can win all the games they want, the only games that I care about is the Manchester Derby.

You may have your own opinions on them, but I don't question mine. I don't care whatsoever, and the only time I ever will care what happens with them is when it finally all comes out regarding the 130 or so charges against them.
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I hate when people say this. Yes, their achievements are ultimately fake, but the history books won’t agree, and them winning will be to our detriment.
 
SungSam7 said:
Man City accomplishments mean nothing to me. They could win 20 titles and 20 CL is a row for the next 20 years, and I would never acknowledge them or take them seriously.

They are a jacked up to team through financial doping. I don't care one bit about them.

But at the same time, United are not in a title challenge against them, therefore they can win all the games they want, the only games that I care about is the Manchester Derby.

You may have your own opinions on them, but I don't question mine. I don't care whatsoever, and the only time I ever will care what happens with them is when it finally all comes out regarding the 130 or so charges against them.
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I mean I’m exactly the same. Nothing they’ve done is legitimate in the slightest. That being said I still love to see them fail.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I hate when people say this. Yes, their achievements are ultimately fake, but the history books won’t agree, and them winning will be to our detriment.
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Both are true to some extent. There’s definitely a feeling of all of it lacking a sort of legitimacy, and there’ll always be a lot of fans who remember as such. But at the same time younger generations won’t remember this at all and as time goes on it will just be reflected on what the history books say.
 
Joel Miller said:
Both are true to some extent. There’s definitely a feeling of all of it lacking a sort of legitimacy, and there’ll always be a lot of fans who remember as such. But at the same time younger generations won’t remember this at all and as time goes on it will just be reflected on what the history books say.
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Agreed.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Aside from international football, I couldn't care less about his achievements. He could score 100 goals a season and I wouldn't care because of the cheating club he plays for.
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I agree.

Any intelligent person will focus on what he does for Norway and enjoy that.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I hate when people say this. Yes, their achievements are ultimately fake, but the history books won’t agree, and them winning will be to our detriment.
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History can be there written in the books but people will always remember the truth. It will be passed down by generations what scandals they have caused.

Even now people question Peles goals claim. And Real Madrid winning so many European cups due to how the format was back then. They may seems small buy people will always know about Man City how they were frauds.
 
SungSam7 said:
History can be there written in the books but people will always remember the truth. It will be passed down by generations what scandals they have caused.

Even now people question Peles goals claim. And Real Madrid winning so many European cups due to how the format was back then. They may seems small buy people will always know about Man City how they were frauds.
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Hopefully. However, they’ll probably be a minority. I hope not though.
 
SungSam7 said:
History can be there written in the books but people will always remember the truth.
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It's exactly the opposite. People may forget, but it's the history books' job to remind us how they got there.

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It will be passed down by generations what scandals they have caused.
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You're writing folk songs to pass down to your descendants about how once there was a club called Man City that cheated their way to many a trophy?
 
SungSam7 said:
History can be there written in the books but people will always remember the truth. It will be passed down by generations what scandals they have caused.

Even now people question Peles goals claim. And Real Madrid winning so many European cups due to how the format was back then. They may seems small buy people will always know about Man City how they were frauds.
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I think you significantly overestimate how passionate people are about this
 
SungSam7 said:
History can be there written in the books but people will always remember the truth. It will be passed down by generations what scandals they have caused.

Even now people question Peles goals claim. And Real Madrid winning so many European cups due to how the format was back then. They may seems small buy people will always know about Man City how they were frauds.
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History tends to be written by the winners and those who feed the narrative. So if nothing is done with City, it'll not be some big deal 40 years from now.
 
Just a couple of goals tonight for Norway, to help secure a win (1-4) against Italy at the San Siro. Eight wins in eight and a perfect qualification stage for Norway. 16 goals for Haaland to equal Lewandowski's qualification stage record. (One more than C. Ronaldo's best return.)
 
In a world where everyone is heading towards a 100 goals at international level somewhere in their mid to late 30's..... Haaland looking set to do it before he gets to 30 is hysterical.

I feel Ronaldo and Messi overall goal numbers are more or less out of touch because he seemingly doesn't hit the 50 goal marker consistently enough for club, and he's actually dipped below 40 the past two seasons. But he's on a collision course to shatter international records.
 
He has definitely stepped up his overall play. He just looks more confident in any game now and keeps moving and making runs. An extremely good player now, rather than a flat track bully, and has scored in big games this season already, which was always my biggest criticism of him. He was always too easily bullied out of big games.

If he starts to score in semi-finals and finals too, it’s all over as far as valid criticism goes. The worst thing for rivals is that there is still room to go, and still space to grow. I think he can still use his strength and physique better than he does now. It’s scary that this might not be his final form.
 
Zen said:
I feel Ronaldo and Messi overall goal numbers are more or less out of touch because he seemingly doesn't hit the 50 goal marker consistently enough for club
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Probably, but those numbers are "inflated" by playing in a league where multiple teams have a lower salary budget than Norwich.
How much you can score in the Champions League over your career is a more "fair" goal-wise comparison.
 
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I remember when people were calling him a flat track bully - scored against Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Italy, Dortmund, Napoli… just about everyone really.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
I remember when people were calling him a flat track bully - scored against Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Italy, Dortmund, Napoli… just about everyone really.
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Its just in a lot of peoples nature to find ways to criticize everything. And the optimists just get shot down.

 
Zen said:
In a world where everyone is heading towards a 100 goals at international level somewhere in their mid to late 30's..... Haaland looking set to do it before he gets to 30 is hysterical.

I feel Ronaldo and Messi overall goal numbers are more or less out of touch because he seemingly doesn't hit the 50 goal marker consistently enough for club, and he's actually dipped below 40 the past two seasons. But he's on a collision course to shatter international records.
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Haaland has scored around 13 goals more than Messi and around 127 goals more than Ronaldo for club and country at the senior level at the same age (25.5 years old).
 
desertegil said:
Haaland has scored around 13 goals more than Messi and around 127 goals more than Ronaldo for club and country at the senior level at the same age (25.5 years old).
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Yeah for those sorts of big totals, it's really just how much he wants it and his luck with staying injury-free.

People talk about Ronaldo's goals but he has the most senior appearances of any outfielder in the history of football, I find that more remarkable for a forward, vast majority at an elite level too. Ronaldo's career is the equivalent of Van Basten's career appearance three times over. I remember marvelling at the longevity of Giggs and Maldini, and Ronaldo has the equivalent of 5-6 full seasons on them.

So really there's a chance Haaland couldn't be arsed by age 34 and retired like Lahm, Bale or Kroos, which shouldn't really count against him in all-time rankings instead of picking up goals in whatever league that will take him. That's why I think goals per game is generally a better indicator. He's currently on an insane 1.04 for the CL - Messi is on 0.79, Ronaldo and Lewandowski on 0.77, if he can keep that up it will be incredible.

For international level he's on 1.15 goals per game. Both of these are better than seemingly untouchable Gerd Muller. Nobody better in international football history since 1925 there, that has scored 50 international goals. Ronaldo is on 0.63 there, Messi on 0.59. Shouldn't need to have 226 caps to be considered the best if he keeps it up.
 
Italian crowd cheered him when he got subbed. Said the comentator. He did look like he was thanking them... Hard to tell from the broadcast.
 
It's good he's at the world cup, regardless of City. In cup football, you never know, if him and Odegaard are fit and firing, they'll have a reasonable chance of beating any of the top teams.
 
Incredible player. He could easily finish his career as one of the all-time greats.
 
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It's good he's at the world cup, regardless of City. In cup football, you never know, if him and Odegaard are fit and firing, they'll have a reasonable chance of beating any of the top teams.
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I would honestly kind of like to see that. As much as I hate City I can't dislike Haaland, he's a crazy player. The WC gives us a chance to watch him in a team we don't despise
 
Oranges038 said:
That was before Alfie moved the whole family to Switzerland to avoid paying tax in Norway.
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Well you tax to Norway even of foreign income if you live in Norway x days pr year. I have 0 problems with protecting your assets. Income from investments in Norwegian companies through the investment firm is still taxed in Norway.
 
Tom Cato said:
Well you tax to Norway even of foreign income if you live in Norway x days pr year. I have 0 problems with protecting your assets. Income from investments in Norwegian companies through the investment firm is still taxed in Norway.
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Didn't he specifically move everything to do with his earnings from football permanently from Norway to avoid paying taxes?

I remember there being a Norwegian politician who was saying he shouldn't be avoiding paying Norwegian taxes, because they should provide back to the society that helped them get to where they are.
 
Oranges038 said:
Didn't he specifically move everything to do with his earnings from football permanently from Norway to avoid paying taxes?

I remember there being a Norwegian politician who was saying he shouldn't be avoiding paying Norwegian taxes, because they should provide back to the society that helped them get to where they are.
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So thats the one end of the debate surrounding "Formueskatten". A uniquely Norwegian tax that taxes assets, even if you dont have cash in the bank.

The other end is that avoiding that tax allows you to invest back into the company.

Thats the incredibly boiled down version but there is a lot more to it than that.

Haalands boyhood clubs have earned income from sales from Haaland, so thats certainly giving back. I wont get into what is morally right about giving back and how much you should be giving back in taxes, but saying that Haaland is not giving back is inherently wrong.

For me, I own my own company. I have to sell assets to pay taxes because the value of my tax is not based on the cash in the bank alone. The root cause for why so many wealthy Norwegians move out should be adressed instead of naming and shaming the people that provide jobs to thousands.
 
It is ridiculous how hard Ronaldo was pushing with Portugal to get what would seemingly be an unbreakable scoring record, only for Haaland to show up not even after Ronaldo is finished and start cracking it down.

Things may change of course, but looking from current trajectory, Ronaldo may have to play until Haaland retires to try and keep his record intact.
 
Tom Cato said:
So thats the one end of the debate surrounding "Formueskatten". A uniquely Norwegian tax that taxes assets, even if you dont have cash in the bank.

The other end is that avoiding that tax allows you to invest back into the company.

Thats the incredibly boiled down version but there is a lot more to it than that.

Haalands boyhood clubs have earned income from sales from Haaland, so thats certainly giving back. I wont get into what is morally right about giving back and how much you should be giving back in taxes, but saying that Haaland is not giving back is inherently wrong.

For me, I own my own company. I have to sell assets to pay taxes because the value of my tax is not based on the cash in the bank alone. The root cause for why so many wealthy Norwegians move out should be adressed instead of naming and shaming the people that provide jobs to thousands.
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Makes more sense, but I guess politicians are mostly all talk and will just pick a high profile example at times to highlight those who are leaving & taking advantage of the another system to avoid paying back or into society as a whole.
 
Bosnian_fan said:
It is ridiculous how hard Ronaldo was pushing with Portugal to get what would seemingly be an unbreakable scoring record, only for Haaland to show up not even after Ronaldo is finished and start cracking it down.

Things may change of course, but looking from current trajectory, Ronaldo may have to play until Haaland retires to try and keep his record intact.
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Which record is that?
 
There are two players with +50 international goals that have better goals/game ratios than Haaland. They played from 1903-1914 and 1910-1925 respectively.
 
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