Haaland at City

Since breaking the record for most goals for Norway 13 months ago, he has scored another 22 goals for the NT.
That's about the same as Solskjær, Carew, King etc scored throughout their NT careers.
 
Since breaking the record for most goals for Norway 13 months ago, he has scored another 22 goals for the NT.
That's about the same as Solskjær, Carew, King etc scored throughout their NT careers.
He scored half (16) of the second top scorers achievement (33) in one qualifying campaign. :lol:
 
I remember when people were calling him a flat track bully - scored against Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Italy, Dortmund, Napoli… just about everyone really.
Real Madridx2, Bayernx5, PSGx3 the list goes on and on...
 
Where do we think we will be ranking this lad in terms of all time greats come his retirement date?

He's no silky striker in the Ronaldo (Brazil) sense but his numbers could be insane.
 
Where do we think we will be ranking this lad in terms of all time greats come his retirement date?

He's no silky striker in the Ronaldo (Brazil) sense but his numbers could be insane.

I think "pure goalscorers" stand no chance in a GOAT debate, but if he keeps this up for another 5-10 years he will go down as an all-time great for sure. Whether that means top 10, 20, 30 or 50 is hard to tell.

I think he will go down as the best Northern European player of all time though. So he will surpass Zlatan, the Laudrup brothers and Schmeichel (hard to compare strikers with goalkeepers though).
 
He's already passed Zlatan imo.
Yeah but you're Norwegian so off course you'd say that, only joking.

I agree, only thing Zlatan has over him is technical ability and dribbling in tight spaces, which Haaland probably will never get near imo. Zlatan might've been stronger. But the speed, positioning and use of strength Haaland has is better than Zlatan.
 
Which record is that?
Ronaldo has 143 international goals (in as many as 226 appearances). Haaland is still way off, but the way Norway is set, with a lot of firepower and players capable of setting him up, who are also of correct age profile, Haaland may really be in contention to crack that thing down. Nobody else right now to come even close.
 
Bet your farms for norway winning the world cup!
 
So thats the one end of the debate surrounding "Formueskatten". A uniquely Norwegian tax that taxes assets, even if you dont have cash in the bank.

The other end is that avoiding that tax allows you to invest back into the company.

Thats the incredibly boiled down version but there is a lot more to it than that.

Haalands boyhood clubs have earned income from sales from Haaland, so thats certainly giving back. I wont get into what is morally right about giving back and how much you should be giving back in taxes, but saying that Haaland is not giving back is inherently wrong.

For me, I own my own company. I have to sell assets to pay taxes because the value of my tax is not based on the cash in the bank alone. The root cause for why so many wealthy Norwegians move out should be adressed instead of naming and shaming the people that provide jobs to thousands.

I'm sorry, but this is incredibly funny.

How it started: Haaland is super normal because he spends some time on a farm.

How it's going: Fleeing the country to protect a fraction of your millions is fine and makes sense, actually.

By all means, go libertarian, but stop the normal thing.
 
I'm sorry, but this is incredibly funny.

How it started: Haaland is super normal because he spends some time on a farm.

How it's going: Fleeing the country to protect a fraction of your millions is fine and makes sense, actually.

By all means, go libertarian, but stop the normal thing.

Erling lives in England, the conversation was about his father.
 
Ronaldo has 143 international goals (in as many as 226 appearances). Haaland is still way off, but the way Norway is set, with a lot of firepower and players capable of setting him up, who are also of correct age profile, Haaland may really be in contention to crack that thing down. Nobody else right now to come even close.

Haaland has 55 goals and averages 8 games and 9 goals a year.

So in 10 years he might have 145 goals.

So he could come close.
I'm assuming Ronaldo retires after this WC so should finish on 150 maybe.
 
Haaland has 55 goals and averages 8 games and 9 goals a year.

So in 10 years he might have 145 goals.

So he could come close.
I'm assuming Ronaldo retires after this WC so should finish on 150 maybe.

He can and should improve his average games if Norway qualifies to a few championships in the coming years.
 
He can and should improve his average games if Norway qualifies to a few championships in the coming years.

You'd imagine they'll qualify for most tournaments now. They'll have good seedings and have a golden generation of players.

If he reaches 100 goals before 30, that's some record.
 
He’s close but not yet I’d say - from a footballing public point of view.

Zlatan has legendary status and a persona to match. Haaland doesn’t come close in the latter.
Not sure what you mean by the last sentence as Haaland seems to be universally liked, if not loved, for being so down to earth and normal. His YouTube channel is also thriving because of that. When abroad (numerous continents), I've seen more Haaland shirts on kids than anything other than Messi, Neymar and C.Ron. Those lot are on the way out soon enough so it will be interesting to see who else gets latched onto outside of Haaland.

Off the pitch, he really looks to be on a massive upward trajectory without any fuss or razzamatazz, which suggests people are very intrigued by him.

I don't see much star power emerging, but he certainly appears to be on the positive side of any reckoning in that regard. Even those who are "supposed" to "hate" him, don't, which says a hell of a lot.
 
Not sure what you mean by the last sentence as Haaland seems to be universally liked, if not loved, for being so down to earth and normal. His YouTube channel is also thriving because of that. When abroad (numerous continents), I've seen more Haaland shirts on kids than anything other than Messi, Neymar and C.Ron. Those lot are on the way out soon enough so it will be interesting to see who else gets latched onto outside of Haaland.

Off the pitch, he really looks to be on a massive upward trajectory without any fuss or razzamatazz, which suggests people are very intrigued by him.

I don't see much star power emerging, but he certainly appears to be on the positive side of any reckoning in that regard. Even those who are "supposed" to "hate" him, don't, which says a hell of a lot.

Meant that he is still very much below Ibra in terms of a footballing personality - a response to the post saying Haaland has overtaken Ibra.

Fast catching up yet he’s still not the legend Zlatan is.
 
Seeing as I'm the one that accidentally started the Zlatan vs Haaland discussion (I'm sorry by the way): what I meant is that if Haaland's career somehow ended tomorrow, then I would still rate Zlatan slightly ahead of him. But the thing is, Haaland is just 25. Of course he hasn't surpassed Zlatan, who more or less remained world class until his mid 30's.

But I think it's inevitable that Haaland will surpass him. Haaland already has a higher peak and he's clearly a better goalscorer, which was always Zlatan's specialty too. Zlatan had better technique, very impressive longevity and more iconic moments, but Haaland can still match (or best) him in the last two aspects. Not that he needs to, though.
 
Seeing as I'm the one that accidentally started the Zlatan vs Haaland discussion (I'm sorry by the way): what I meant is that if Haaland's career somehow ended tomorrow, then I would still rate Zlatan slightly ahead of him. But the thing is, Haaland is just 25. Of course he hasn't surpassed Zlatan, who more or less remained world class until his mid 30's.

But I think it's inevitable that Haaland will surpass him. Haaland already has a higher peak and he's clearly a better goalscorer, which was always Zlatan's specialty too. Zlatan had better technique, very impressive longevity and more iconic moments, but Haaland can still match (or best) him in the last two aspects. Not that he needs to, though.
It's an interesting discussion. Haaland is clearly more prolific but then he is more of a pure striker.

In terms of technical ability, there's no comparison. But if Haaland goes on to score a thousand goals and win a boatload of European Cups or whatever, there's no way you can say that he hasn't surpassed Zlatan, even with that disparity in skill.
 
Not sure what you mean by the last sentence as Haaland seems to be universally liked, if not loved, for being so down to earth and normal. His YouTube channel is also thriving because of that. When abroad (numerous continents), I've seen more Haaland shirts on kids than anything other than Messi, Neymar and C.Ron. Those lot are on the way out soon enough so it will be interesting to see who else gets latched onto outside of Haaland.

Off the pitch, he really looks to be on a massive upward trajectory without any fuss or razzamatazz, which suggests people are very intrigued by him.

I don't see much star power emerging, but he certainly appears to be on the positive side of any reckoning in that regard. Even those who are "supposed" to "hate" him, don't, which says a hell of a lot.
Haaland's likability is based entirely on his football ability — no one would give a damn about him if he wasn't a world-class footballer. Zlatan is clearly way more of a character — yes, his football talent gave him a clear headstart but he's very unique as a public persona and it's not hard to imagine him getting famous even in a completely different field of work. Haaland is this archetypical media-trained model footballer. I'm eating healthy, I'm doing down to earth photoshoots in the summer etc. He does look a TV viking but that's about it. The difference is quite clear. He scores tons of goals and plays for the most successful (currently) team in the most popular league, City has a lot of fans, especially in younger demographics. And City market him as their main star (to be fair, he clearly is this season — before that it was at least a three-way tie between him, KDB and Rodri for their most important player on the pitch).

P.S. not really sure what's likable about him... I mean, actively likable. He's a fairly decent kid, at least from what we know. Yet being down to earth is hardly something that can be described as a personality, especially since you don't really spend all of your free time working on your family's rural farm.
 
He’s close but not yet I’d say - from a footballing public point of view.

Zlatan has legendary status and a persona to match. Haaland doesn’t come close in the latter.
What does persona have to do with anything? This is sport, not a reality show.
 
I like Haaland but Zlatan he is not. Zlatan was spectacular to watch technically and creatively (though Haaland has done some feats that wouldn’t look out of place in a Zlatan reel.)

But Zlatan was also Ali-esque off the pitch, and you gotta love that.
 
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I suppose we never talk about the intangibles Keane and Cantona brought to the game, on and off the field.
Yeah, or Leonel Messi, who, fame aside, has the sort of big personality that wouldn't dominate a line at the bus stop. We can talk about it, but it's pretty irrelevant to how great a player someone is.
 
Yeah, or Leonel Messi, who, fame aside, has the sort of big personality that wouldn't dominate a line at the bus stop. We can talk about it, but it's pretty irrelevant to how great a player someone is.

Big personality doesnt mean greatness, but it certainly contributes to myth and impression.

A player like Messi leads with example so much that he is the automatic choice of leader. The Argentina squad follows Messi the way United players used to follow Keane.

Zlatan was a huge cock. And takes pride in that. He ultimately delivered on the pitch so his boasting was given creedence from the internet.
 
Zlatan's schtick got old after a while, though.
"Lions don't heal like humans", speaking in third person, etc.
It's cool when you're young, but very uncool in year 15 when you're playing for LA Galaxy.

How one can describe Haaland as an archetypical media trained modern footballer is beyond me, but I guess that has a lot to do with us Norwegians being exposed to a lot more "laid back and unfiltered" interviews for years..
I mean, his interview after the Italy-game is a very fresh example - the opposite of "typical media trained footballer".
 
Meant that he is still very much below Ibra in terms of a footballing personality - a response to the post saying Haaland has overtaken Ibra.

Fast catching up yet he’s still not the legend Zlatan is.
Hmm... Zlatan's "personality" went through stages in his own active career. At Ajax, he was outrageously cocky and sure of himself, but his game only sort of backed that up. He had numerous lulls where I don't think he was taken particularly seriously as a top-end talent, but that sorted itself out in his late 20's where his game was in alignment with his words - the framing of "Zlatan" really took off then and he also became more universally understood, which leaned into the personality aspect as [a lot] more people got on board with what he was selling around that time. I'd also say that goal against England did wonders for him.

When you say "Zlatan" now, it'd be easy to assume it was one linear line with his charisma and personality as we're going to remember the peaks a lot more than the troughs where in reality, he didn't have a rock solid "aura" or presence about him in like, say, a Romario, Cantona or that kind of out there controversial yet entertaining character had.

I think Haaland is only now beginning to embrace the spotlight as a "personality" so it's not like he's been trying for years or acting out - it's the first time he's let people behind the curtain, and seems to be going all-in with his own platform for social media content that is being really well received by all quarters, even rival fans can't help but like him. So when you say catching up, I don't really see that he made any effort whatsoever before now to show larger portions of his personality. I also think we're in an age of gagging for players where, by comparison, players got to express themselves way, way more in Zlatan's time so that is factored in as things aren't 1:1 in terms of relativity - Haaland is "out there" compared to others these days by even having discernable character for people to relate to and connect with.
Haaland's likability is based entirely on his football ability — no one would give a damn about him if he wasn't a world-class footballer. Zlatan is clearly way more of a character — yes, his football talent gave him a clear headstart but he's very unique as a public persona and it's not hard to imagine him getting famous even in a completely different field of work. Haaland is this archetypical media-trained model footballer. I'm eating healthy, I'm doing down to earth photoshoots in the summer etc. He does look a TV viking but that's about it. The difference is quite clear. He scores tons of goals and plays for the most successful (currently) team in the most popular league, City has a lot of fans, especially in younger demographics. And City market him as their main star (to be fair, he clearly is this season — before that it was at least a three-way tie between him, KDB and Rodri for their most important player on the pitch).

P.S. not really sure what's likable about him... I mean, actively likable. He's a fairly decent kid, at least from what we know. Yet being down to earth is hardly something that can be described as a personality, especially since you don't really spend all of your free time working on your family's rural farm.
I think Zlatan is more a product of a different time who would likely have been neutered or toned down greatly if he came through the ranks in the same time period as Haaland.

I'd say Haaland has more "personality" than you're giving him credit for, but if you are talking about the difference between what represented character decade(s) ago and what represents it now, there's going to be a massive, unassailable gap because you simply can't be as out there now as you could in times gone by. Personally, I'm not looking for outrageous or even massively outwardly charismatic - if I want to give you the time of day, or am intrigued enough to want to know more about you, you've got "it" even if it's not some eccentric soul that is a perfect rent-a-quote.

Comparing players to their contemporary peers is a fairer way of assessing what they bring to the table. When you go cross-generational, you have to factor in just how far the envelope could be stretched in that time contrasted to what it's being compared to. The quirky guys of Zlatan's time don't exist in this time, so it's not just Zlatan, it's a whole bunch of players who were the personalities of their own timeline.
 
Zlatan never won the CL which is a bit of a hit for him, aswell as being outcast by the man who is going to be considered as one of the best managers of all time. Haaland won the treble and CL with that man while breaking records, most, if not every season.
 
Zlatan never won the CL which is a bit of a hit for him, aswell as being outcast by the man who is going to be considered as one of the best managers of all time. Haaland won the treble and CL with that man while breaking records, most, if not every season.
Meh, personally don't hold his time at Barcelona against him. Him and Pep are match made in hell, I remember even at that time thinking he shouldn't go there.

CL one I agree with though.

Since breaking the record for most goals for Norway 13 months ago, he has scored another 22 goals for the NT.
That's about the same as Solskjær, Carew, King etc scored throughout their NT careers.
Not that hard to outscore those strikers tbf. Not downplaying OGS or Carew (on the contrary OGS was one of my favourite players growing, considering I was a MU fan and grew up in Norway and I liked Carew when he broke through, I remember thinking he was a breath of fresh air in that Norwegian team, but he was never a very good goalscorer. I even remember the comparison between him and Zlatan, Nor media really wanted him to be better than Zlatan). But Haaland is the best Norwegian player in a long while. Can't remember the last time Norway had such a player, that was worldwide considered as one of the greatest in his position.
 
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When you say "Zlatan" now, it'd be easy to assume it was one linear line with his charisma and personality as we're going to remember the peaks a lot more than the troughs where in reality, he didn't have a rock solid "aura" or presence about him in like, say, a Romario, Cantona or that kind of out there controversial yet entertaining character had.
Cantona was also seen as a petulant child at first (and I’m not saying that Zlatan equals his charisma). Still, Zlatan always stood out personality-wise, for better or worse (I think with age he became a bit less self-serious and embraced the humorous side of that Zlatan persona). Haaland… I’m still not sure which personality trait of his is notable for you, unless sitting on a tractor is one?

Personally, I'm not looking for outrageous or even massively outwardly charismatic - if I want to give you the time of day, or am intrigued enough to want to know more about you, you've got "it" even if it's not some eccentric soul that is a perfect rent-a-quote.
It’s normal to prefer this kind of personalities but if we talk about celebrities and their media appearance, one strategy clearly gives you a massive advantage in terms of exposure, while the latter is a safer option that lets football speak for itself. But people aren’t quoting Haaland’s sayings to each other, he’s perceived as what he is — an exceptional footballer (and a bit of a Viking), nothing else, really.
 
Zlatan never won the CL which is a bit of a hit for him, aswell as being outcast by the man who is going to be considered as one of the best managers of all time. Haaland won the treble and CL with that man while breaking records, most, if not every season.
It wasn't even so much that he didn't win it, that he so regularly disappointed in the latter stages with a variety of teams, often coming after great group stages as well. Struggling to think of a defining performance in the quarters or semis. Yamal for example lost that game against Inter over two legs, but will be remembered for it. Lots of underpar performances for PSG when they needed him, and ho-hum games for top Italian teams.
 
Not that hard to outscore those strikers tbf. Not downplaying OGS or Carew (on the contrary OGS was one of my favourite players growing, considering I was a MU fan and grew up in Norway and I liked Carew when he broke through, I remember thinking he was a breath of fresh air in that Norwegian team, but he was never a very good goalscorer. I even remember the comparison between him and Zlatan, Nor media really wanted him to be better than Zlatan). But Haaland is the best Norwegian player in a long while. Can't remember the last time Norway had such a player, that was worldwide considered as one of the greatest in his position.

It's not surprising that he's outscored all of those at all, what is surprising is that he's outscored them in 13 games or so. That is totally bonkers.
 
Haaland's likability is based entirely on his football ability — no one would give a damn about him if he wasn't a world-class footballer. Zlatan is clearly way more of a character — yes, his football talent gave him a clear headstart but he's very unique as a public persona and it's not hard to imagine him getting famous even in a completely different field of work. Haaland is this archetypical media-trained model footballer. I'm eating healthy, I'm doing down to earth photoshoots in the summer etc. He does look a TV viking but that's about it. The difference is quite clear. He scores tons of goals and plays for the most successful (currently) team in the most popular league, City has a lot of fans, especially in younger demographics. And City market him as their main star (to be fair, he clearly is this season — before that it was at least a three-way tie between him, KDB and Rodri for their most important player on the pitch).

P.S. not really sure what's likable about him... I mean, actively likable. He's a fairly decent kid, at least from what we know. Yet being down to earth is hardly something that can be described as a personality, especially since you don't really spend all of your free time working on your family's rural farm.
Let's be real, nobody would care about Zlatan adopting stale Chuck Norris jokes as a persona if he wasn't a succesful footballer either. I guess the sport's greatest being a charisma vacuum and a vapid simpleton made him look like Prince.

Haaland is a bit of a goofy character and leaning into that on social media. I guess that combined with his ability and success makes him endearing enough.
 
Let's be real, nobody would care about Zlatan adopting stale Chuck Norris jokes as a persona if he wasn't a succesful footballer either. I guess the sport's greatest being a charisma vacuum and a vapid simpleton made him look like Prince.

Haaland is a bit of a goofy character and leaning into that on social media. I guess that combined with his ability and success makes him endearing enough.

Stale Chuck Norris jokes :lol:
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