Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Hargreaves has not exactly been great so far. I expected better.
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I swear that's everyone's opinion?
But you remember other things don't you? Like saying Torres and Rooney are the ame type of player? Isn't it?Me tooThat's why I lied. I'm not the Chief remember, I'm a liar and a fool. I mean, I don't even remember Zidane leading Bordeaux to a Uefa cup win... So I must be a liar. Oh, and a fool.
You also remember me saying I should sell Saha in january don't you? In thsi every thread? After all You talked about it so much earlier in this thread
WangDingMouth01
Yes you have
No. It's not that is what you did and are still insisting on doing
I agree. Wes's mistake was only the third of three for me though. The only player mentioned who I feel was blameless was Ferdinand.
You wont get off that easily.
In this thread I mentioned new players and others who were back from loans strengthening the squad overall. You are beyond a fecking moron if you think I was at all repeating the error I made in that other thread. On top of being clear fabricator. Since once again trying to raise issue with something that hasn't been done in this thread. Which is me repeating the aforementioned error.So it's not part of a midfielders job to help his defense?
That I agree with 100%
Of course it is. It's not his job however to directly stop goals. If he is doing his job well. Which is shield the defence from midfielders, amongst other things.
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no that's not right. as a ball winner you aren't suppose to follow the ball willy nilly. You win it off their main attacking threat (in the midfield at least) which would be fabregas.
just because say gilberto or mascherano has the ball you don't go up against him because he is not the attacking threat that a defensive midfielder is supposed to nullify
by that logic it's hargraeves fault by not following the ball further out to the wing when he did the right thing and stayed central for an infield pass.
furthermore, hargraeves can SEE vidic making the error. vidic is in front of him. so to say that he didn't track him because that's vidic's job is folly because hargraeves should have realised vidic is out of position, adebayor is somewhere around here but vidic isn't on him. I'll track him
rather than
vidic will get him... oh shit there he goes better try to slow him down with a shirt tug and follow him.
VDS came out because adebayor looked like he was getting a free run into the box.
Rooney's goal is like that in the sense he got away from his marker and slipped it into the goal from a similar position adebayor was in
WangDingMouth01
Who?
Michael Carrick.
Who's he ?
Hargreaves though didn't follow the ball will nilly. The ball was on the wing. So being a ball winner and a shield for the defence , Hargreaves had to be stationed in a position to keep an eye on the ball, while being in a position to keep an eye on Fabregas too. The position he gets dragged out of by Adebayor's run.
Which is wrong. A defensive midfielder is supposed to win the ball. First and for most. When that fails he is supposed to harrass and mark opposing midfield players. Hargreaves in the situation being discussed, was in position to both keep an eye on the progress of the ball, and track Fabrgas in case he attempted to run into the box.
Which is wrong. When the ball is on the wing it is for fullbacks to deal with. The role of a player in Hargreaves position, is supposed to be in a position to intercept it or prevent if from getting to the oppositions midfielder, who might run on to it from deep.
That is wrong. Hargreaves has his eyes on Eboue and his potential cross. It's when it dawns on him that Adebayor is sneaking passed, with Vidic horribly out of position that he chases after Adebayor.
So, given that I was in fact accurate - and therefore 'right' rather than 'wrong' that would not make me 'l.d.h. [by my logic]' would it?
So that would be yet another false accusation that you make.
BTW - you might want to check back to where I explicitly point out the difference between being 'lying' and 'hypocrisy' - or to where I point out what makes a false portrayal hypocrisy rather than just being wrong - or the times where what I actually complain about is false portrayal or misrepresentation - not 'hypocrisy' etc. etc.
So that would mean your idea that I 'conflate being wrong with l.d.h.' is also inaccurate - another false accusation.
Oh feck FS is back! 200 pages here we come!
Underlined words ahoy!
I just love the 'no we are not going to give the poor sod a chance' contradiction here.
Loads of people have complained OH 'runs around like a headless chicken' (inaccurate but wth.) and then along comes another guy who doesn't like his performance to slate him for not moving around enough!!
I was at the Pompey game as well - and then watched a download a few days later. OH was frequently available for passes from a colleague (often this CAN be seen on TV as well) - when the opposition were in possession he generally was in place to make passes from the man in possession to other opponents more difficult. He also made a number oif excellent passes himself.
You're a complete and utter twat aren't you? From the very thing you quoted..
No I'm not willing to give the poor sod a chance at all.
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Torres plays better as an off striker in my opinion yes. Unfortunately for Liverpool, they don't have anyone decent to play next to him. But if they signed one, he'd be even better than this season - scoring as many but setting up even more.
You should sell Saha? That's a new one, I didn't realise you owned him. Besides, you said to let him walk for free, not sell him - and you said it the day before Bolton bid £7 million for him.
Now go on, make your rubbish of that as per normal. Just like "in thsi every thread?"
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Probably because the loads are commenting on his general MO and the other guy is commenting on a specific game. Basic comprehension lacking.
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Ogdens' nut gone...
That would be 'on the 4 hour trip back from the game' - where were you?
If you think being foolishly dismissed or insulted automatically equates to 'intellectual dishonesty' btw you haven't been paying attention.
Having just caught up on this section it's apparent that, amongst the supposedly hilarious attempts at comedy, the two sides have been 'talking past each other' at a rate of knots. You might find that phrase on Google but in this case it indicates where both proponents have been talking about something somewhat different from the other side - so we believe we are referring to this picture, and therefore assume that our opponent's comments related to that, whereas they actually relate to a somewhat different picture, which is that to which they have been referring, and about which they believe we have been talking.
In this thread the two sides have (broadly speaking) been talking about a) stopping the other side from scoring and b) helping others in the team such that they are better equipped to stop the other side from scoring.
Go back and read the early exchanges and then follow them through.
This is pretty typical of people not paying enough attention to the contexts of arguments advanced by each side - happens all the time - in many different types of places. Debates about religion are a real treasure trove for this type of behaviour.
At that time - on the 4 hour journey back from the game - yourself?
Actually - this one is easy - just track back over the 4-5 post exchange and you'll find the chief was prety accurate at that time - though both sides grew to misunderstand each other more as time went on.
Not that you'ld ever do that of course you pompous arrogant overbearing dickhead.
FSG, serious question, are you collecting research on debating over the internet? Is your non-contribution motivated by any sort of academic research?
To be fair - I don't think that actually makes him a 'racist' - just rather lacking in taste on this occasion.
Hargreaves is my hero
Jeez, you don't even know when people are joking!
...and that he feels he could do witha 'DM' with more to offer than Carrick?
Which rather goes against the 'Carrick can do the defensive job so well we don't need OH' school of thought.
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