OverratedOpinion
Full Member
- Joined
- Sep 4, 2017
- Messages
- 16,171
We will try to buy him back for 45m in 3 years.
Absolutely moronic
Absolutely moronic
We won't.We will try to buy him back for 45m in 3 years.
Absolutely moronic
Based on what? He’s barely played any adult football.If we're only going to get 6 million we might as well just loan him for a 1 million loan fee to the Championship. He's a player city or Chelsea would easily get 20 to 30 for in this market.
His contract is up next year so wouldn't work. We fecked the contract up and clearly don't want to commit to one at this stage.If we're only going to get 6 million we might as well just loan him for a 1 million loan fee to the Championship. He's a player city or Chelsea would easily get 20 to 30 for in this market.
.... and that stopped City and Chelsea getting tens of millions for players?Based on what? He’s barely played any adult football.
Which players have they sold for thirty million who had played next to no adult football? Genuine question..... and that stopped City and Chelsea getting tens of millions for players?
Safe to say that IF we sell him for that sum, the footballing powers that be at the club assess his potential as lower than a part of the Caf experts do.I don’t think he is ready and needs a loan rather than a season of not playing. But talk of the club being willing to sell him for £6m seems like a poor choice.
Which players have they sold for thirty million who had played next to no adult football? Genuine question.
Chelsea got £28m+7 or so for Lewis Hall after I think 10 games of adult football. If we buy Hall for £70m and sell Amass for £6m, it would at least be a clear indicator that we don’t see him as the next Lewis Hall!Which players have they sold for thirty million who had played next to no adult football? Genuine question.
Amass only has a year left on his contractChelsea got £28m+7 or so for Lewis Hall after I think 10 games of adult football. If we buy Hall for £70m and sell Amass for £6m, it would at least be a clear indicator that we don’t see him as the next Lewis Hall!
City have sold Trafford, Bazunu, Lavia and Delap for between £15-20m each after next to no playing time.
Sure mate, because there is no previous of us selling a highly rated left back when we desperately need one for peanuts then him going on to make us look silly.We won't.
Fair enough. Had none of those players had much time at any other clubs either?Chelsea sold Hutchenson £22m to Ipswich after two appearances, Maatsen £38m with 3 appearances, Lewis Hall £38m to Newcastle.
City sold Trafford for £20m with no appearances and Taylor Harwood bellis for £20m with no appearances too.
Based on what? He's not of the quality required to progress us. We've hung onto average youth players far too often in the past.Sure mate, because there is no previous of us selling a highly rated left back when we desperately need one for peanuts then him going on to make us look silly.
Might not be us, we might spend £70m on Hall who is no more talented than Amass. Amass will certainly prove £6m to be an absolute joke very quickly if we sell him.
He was one of our loud standouts in the youth teams along with Shea Lacey. In fact, I think Amass was our most standout player with Lacey injured. Was at one point in the u18s our best player as a leftback, which is crazy thing to say. If Amass can't get a chance as a leftback I feel bad for any future fullback because Amass set a very high bar to clear.Based on what? He's not of the quality required to progress us. We've hung onto average youth players far too often in the past.
My only gripe is £6m is low. Hopefully sell on % and buy back clauses are in place in case he does make a big jump.
Who says he's not of the quality? He's a fantastic young player.Based on what? He's not of the quality required to progress us. We've hung onto average youth players far too often in the past.
My only gripe is £6m is low. Hopefully sell on % and buy back clauses are in place in case he does make a big jump.
Hutchinson had been on loan at Ipswich for a season playing 50 games before they bought him, Maatsen had been on loan for 2 seasons in the Championship and a full season at Dortmund before being sold.Chelsea sold Hutchenson £22m to Ipswich after two appearances, Maatsen £38m with 3 appearances, Lewis Hall £38m to Newcastle.
City sold Trafford for £20m with no appearances and Taylor Harwood bellis for £20m with no appearances too.
This was the context I was interested in. You add in the fact that he is on his last year, and the fee makes sense.Hutchinson had been on loan at Ipswich for a season playing 50 games before they bought him, Maatsen had been on loan for 2 seasons in the Championship and a full season at Dortmund before being sold.
Trafford had played for 2 full seasons out on loan and Harwood-Bellis was on loan for 3 seasons then had a season on loan at Southampton before they bought him.
Hall is more similar to Amass, although went to Newcastle on a season long loan with a conditional obligation.
Amass currently has played half a season at Sheffield Wednesday, so a fee of £5-10 million is about right.
To me, it’s pretty likely that the truth to why this article appeared is a bit more complicated. As you say, we are looking for left backs, and everyone at the club are very aware of Harry. He’s certainly not getting overlooked. What the factors are, I can mostly only guess at.Who says he's not of the quality? He's a fantastic young player.
Jimmy Murphy player of the year.
Captained both Utd and England youth teams.
Cracking loan under difficult circumstances last season.
Even on the weekend he looked miles better than Shaw when he came on.
And he gets zero chance to break through in a position we are desperate for.
Appalling decision.
If he is refusing to sign a new contract I'd take back my stance entirely.To me, it’s pretty likely that the truth to why this article appeared is a bit more complicated. As you say, we are looking for left backs, and everyone at the club are very aware of Harry. He’s certainly not getting overlooked. What the factors are, I can mostly only guess at.
If he’s deemed not ready to start now, and won’t sign a renewal, it forces the club’s hand, loan is not an option with one year left on the contract. He/his advisors might want a big new contract, or with guarantees attached. The football people at the club might see him as a good professional but lacking in things needed to progress his potential, things that are less obvious to us. Reading the list of players who has become Jimmy Murphy POTY or captain for youth teams, you find a few big names and a whole lot of names most have forgotten about or maybe never even heard about.
Another side of it is that a club has to prioritise between prospects, which is a tough job. Giving Amass a bumper contract and 5-10 games in the league might not put a dent in the team’s goals for the season if he were the only one. But it will impact achievements if you do the same to Lacey, Gabriel, Thomson and Obi, and on top of a squad already having young players like Heaven, Yoro, Santos and Mainoo, and to a degree also Sesko and Amad, expected to have important roles.
Amass might have impressed more than Obi at our youth levels, and probably (certainly) more ready to carry weight for the team than Gabriel is. Amass might or might not be closer to his eventual ceiling now than they are, it’s hard to evaluate from outside, but if all of them wants ‘a clear path’ to the first team at the same time, someone’s got to give. Maybe Amass isn’t confident enough to thinknhe can force his way into the reckoning at United, or maybe he’s so confident hhat he thinks he can develop into a world beater no matter if he plays for Man Utd or Coventry. I wouldn’t know, I just think there are a lot of factors most of us fans don’t have a clue about, which are really important to consider in this scenario.
Safe to say that IF we sell him for that sum, the footballing powers that be at the club assess his potential as lower than a part of the Caf experts do.
Equally obvious, if they DON’T, they probably think his potential is higher than what a different part of the Caf experts think.
Is 2 successful loan spells in the championship and 5 PL appearance classed as "next to no adult football" ?Which players have they sold for thirty million who had played next to no adult football? Genuine question.
I didn’t realise he had that much loan experience. How many appearances did he manage?Is 2 successful loan spells in the championship and 5 PL appearance classed as "next to no adult football" ?
He only had one that you could call successful.I didn’t realise he had that much loan experience. How many appearances did he manage?
Fair enoughHe only had one that you could call successful.
Went on loan to Wednesday and played every match where he was very good.
Then went to Norwich in January where he got injury in training that ruled him out for the rest of the season.
Any legitimate rumours here or are we getting the caf into a tizzy because it was reported in a tabloid?I don’t think he is ready and needs a loan rather than a season of not playing. But talk of the club being willing to sell him for £6m seems like a poor choice.
Whitwell is one of the most reliable about Utd.Any legitimate rumours here or are we getting the caf into a tizzy because it was reported in a tabloid?
It was in Whitwell's deal sheet in the athletic today.Absolutely no way we should be selling Amass. For £6m as well. Terrible decision. Any tier 1s saying this?
Whitwell reported it, so pretty much.Absolutely no way we should be selling Amass. For £6m as well. Terrible decision. Any tier 1s saying this?