Harry Amass | 2026/27 Performances

£6m is so damn cheap. Why even bother selling him. Could at least say 10-15m. Still nothikg but not pennies.
 
The kid played 20 matches in the Championship at 18 years old. Utd are thin at LB, and if/when Shaw gets injured, we could be in trouble.

It looks like a perfect setup for the club, you have the position covered by a youth product in case the first-team player gets injured. And he costs virtually nothing. If he fails, you evaluate and move on next summer.

Why would you sell the kid for £6m? That makes zero football and economic sense.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
£6m is so damn cheap. Why even bother selling him. Could at least say 10-15m. Still nothikg but not pennies.
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Maybe nobody actually wants to sign him for a higher amount?

Late In May 1999 said:
The kid played 20 matches in the Championship at 18 years old. Utd are thin at LB, and if/when Shaw gets injured, we could be in trouble.

It looks like a perfect setup for the club, you have the position covered by a youth product in case the first-team player gets injured. And he costs virtually nothing. If he fails, you evaluate and move on next summer.

Why would you sell the kid for £6m? That makes zero football and economic sense.
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Re bit in bold, this would work if he had three years left on his contract but he doesn't.

Again, a sale with buyback clause is far better for everyone than either: him playing 10 games this coming season or a series of loan moves that don't really work and doesn't allow him to settle in the short to medium term.
 
Late In May 1999 said:
The kid played 20 matches in the Championship at 18 years old. Utd are thin at LB, and if/when Shaw gets injured, we could be in trouble.

It looks like a perfect setup for the club, you have the position covered by a youth product in case the first-team player gets injured. And he costs virtually nothing. If he fails, you evaluate and move on next summer.

Why would you sell the kid for £6m? That makes zero football and economic sense.
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We're not thin at left back, we lack top quality, at least in terms of offensive output.

Amass would arguably be fifth choice without counting Licha or Heaven.

Most people up in arms about this seem to think we can just tie him down to a new contract without Amass having any say in signing a contract at all.
 
Maagge said:
We're not thin at left back, we lack top quality, at least in terms of offensive output.

Amass would arguably be fifth choice without counting Licha or Heaven.

Most people up in arms about this seem to think we can just tie him down to a new contract without Amass having any say in signing a contract at all.
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Exactly.
He wouldn't play for us this season, the club and him know it.

We will probably sell him at the highest oferred price, as "stay and don't play" is probably not an option for him.
 
Selling him for 6m is cheap I mean we signed double T from Bottlers T for 8m. There again every man and his dog knows by now that we're shit in selling. Should we sell him though? If we're not bringing in a top quality LB then the answer is no. If we're bringing a top quality LB and we're getting rid of Rashford then no (unless we're adding a cover for either LW or LB). Having said that if we're adding a LB then the answer is probably yes. Let's face it guys, we're skint so every little helps.
 
I don't think we would be buying Amass right now if he was at a different club. I don't think any Top club would want him as their 2nd choice LB never mind their first.

With all respect to him, he seems like a player that tries really hard rather than has natural ability but many people watch him more so than me. Whilst I lack knowledge I can also tell you how I see him with a naked eye rather than red Tinted Glasses.

We have Shaw, Mazroui, Dalot, Dorgu, Martinez that can all cover LB - what we need is a top tier quality LB now. If people think Amass is going to be that when he turns 21, I guess I have yet to see much of him.

I think we have to judge the player :

1. Does he have interest from the PL or top teams in other leagues for even a loan (which shows he is ready to become PL proven or like Carreras proving himself at benfica)

2. Is his interest coming from the Championship? ( this is not his first time there and maybe this is his real potential).

I'm not sure if any of the relegated sides the last season would want Amass as their starter; why do we want him to be 2nd or 3rd LB?

Lewis Hall is 2 years older; I don't think we can have two young LB's competing with each other for the next decade. I feel like People know Amass is not good enough; otherwise we wouldn't be talking about LB being our most important signing especially over RB.
 
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Late In May 1999 said:
The kid played 20 matches in the Championship at 18 years old. Utd are thin at LB, and if/when Shaw gets injured, we could be in trouble.
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That's the issue. There's always the fear Shaw breaks down for a long time, and if we see Amass as the next option he could end up a regular starter when we have no idea if he's capable. So we need more than that as backup for that position. Indeed, we may actually need a starter rather than a backup.
 
Late In May 1999 said:
The kid played 20 matches in the Championship at 18 years old. Utd are thin at LB, and if/when Shaw gets injured, we could be in trouble.

It looks like a perfect setup for the club, you have the position covered by a youth product in case the first-team player gets injured. And he costs virtually nothing. If he fails, you evaluate and move on next summer.

Why would you sell the kid for £6m? That makes zero football and economic sense.
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He’s out of contract at the end of the season.

So we would essentially be paying/giving up £6mil to keep him for the next year.

Of course, we could put him on a new contract but obviously those who see him day in day out don’t think he’s worth it.
 
Amir said:
That's the issue. There's always the fear Shaw breaks down for a long time, and if we see Amass as the next option he could end up a regular starter when we have no idea if he's capable. So we need more than that as backup for that position. Indeed, we may actually need a starter rather than a backup.
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I’m sure plans are a foot to sign a first choice left back.
 
devilish said:
Selling him for 6m is cheap I mean we signed double T from Bottlers T for 8m. There again every man and his dog knows by now that we're shit in selling. Should we sell him though? If we're not bringing in a top quality LB then the answer is no. If we're bringing a top quality LB and we're getting rid of Rashford then no (unless we're adding a cover for either LW or LB). Having said that if we're adding a LB then the answer is probably yes. Let's face it guys, we're skint so every little helps.
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Left back options are currently Shaw, Dorgu or Maz. Question marks over all of them, but non of those question marks get answered by keeping Amas, unless he turns out to be a first team starter, which his coaches likely think won’t happen.

The answer is to go out and get a long term replacement for Shaw
 
gaffs said:
He’s out of contract at the end of the season.

So we would essentially be paying/giving up £6mil to keep him for the next year.

Of course, we could put him on a new contract but obviously those who see him day in day out don’t think he’s worth it.
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Or Amass doesn't want to sign a new contract because it means he'll go on loan again or not play very much.
 
gaffs said:
Left back options are currently Shaw, Dorgu or Maz. Question marks over all of them, but non of those question marks get answered by keeping Amas, unless he turns out to be a first team starter, which his coaches likely think won’t happen.

The answer is to go out and get a long term replacement for Shaw
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Except that Amass is potentially one for the future, but capable of serving as Shaw's cover for now. If Carrick doesn't see a future for Amass at OT, then by all means sell now -- but by all means buy a proper LB now to usurp Shaw as he winds down his United career.

Whether it's 6m or 12m I don't really care, but if the sale of Amass is in the cards, that tells me that United have a plan for a LB this summer.
 
Imagine if Amorim was still the coach and these rumours came out...he would be getting pelters from every ex-pro/coaches/pundits/fans.

Lucky that Carrick gets a pass for these types of things and he doesn't have to deal with it.
 
lex talionis said:
Except that Amass is potentially one for the future, but capable of serving as Shaw's cover for now. If Carrick doesn't see a future for Amass at OT, then by all means sell now -- but by all means buy a proper LB now to usurp Shaw as he winds down his United career.

Whether it's 6m or 12m I don't really care, but if the sale of Amass is in the cards, that tells me that United have a plan for a LB this summer.
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The thing about serving as Shaw's cover, you have to be prepared to play a good chunk of the season, due to Shaws injury record (prior to last season).

And even if Shaw did stay fit again the whole season, he won't play 50 games, so Amass would need to be starting at least 10 to 15.

I don't think he's ready to be a Premier League starter.
 
I like what he's shown so far in preseason so may preference would be to keep him but he would need to sign a new contract.
 
gaffs said:
The thing about serving as Shaw's cover, you have to be prepared to play a good chunk of the season, due to Shaws injury record (prior to last season).

And even if Shaw did stay fit again the whole season, he won't play 50 games, so Amass would need to be starting at least 10 to 15.

I don't think he's ready to be a Premier League starter.
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The thing about developing young players is that you have to take a certain amount of risk with them, or else what we end up doing -- which is what we've been doing for most of the last 15 years -- is spending huge on proven talent. There's only so much we can spend on a LB while shoring up other positions in the same window.

A club like United can't go all in on young players, obviously, but where there is an opportunity to take a calculated risk with a young player like Amass that opportunity should be seized, not squandered.

There's a huge difference between being seemed to not being ready now and being deemed to not have a future at OT. Most of our young players of course will never have a future OT. But is young Harry one for the future, but not ready yet, is he not? I think the former, but I'm just a random guy who watches United on a streaming device and types a few posts a day. But if I am right that he young Harry is one for the future, then why not have him deputize for Shaw this season, with Mazraoui and Dorgu as deep cover if Harry is not up to the task when Shaw is out, rather than go all in on Hall now? Hall may not even be within our reach this season.

But if we deem Harry to not have a future at OT, not just now but never, then by all means a sale is in order and we go spend the 40-80m it would take to pry Robinson on the low end and Hall on the high end loose from their clubs?
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
I like what he's shown so far in preseason so may preference would be to keep him but he would need to sign a new contract.
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Agree. From the admittedly small sample sizes i have seen, Amass seems to have a real chance of making it as a PL player to me. In a position we need, no less. I would take a chance on him, if he signs a New contract.

Comparatively i dont see it at all with the Fletcher twins... they look like total nepo babies imo. Hopefully i am wrong of course.
 
He's basically Lewis Hall at Chelsea a few years back. We'll all wonder why we didn't keep him four-five years down the line when he looks fkn great for a CL club.

He is exactly the type of player that we should have as our squad players, in his case possibly not right now but in a year or two.
 
RedEarth said:
He's basically Lewis Hall at Chelsea a few years back. We'll all wonder why we didn't keep him four-five years down the line when he looks fkn great for a CL club.

He is exactly the type of player that we should have as our squad players, in his case possibly not right now but in a year or two.
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Or he could be like our very own Ethan Laird who most people thought was a shoe in to make it at United and he’s 24 now and not played a minute in the PL.

That’s the thing with young players, nobody knows but if Carrick doesn’t fancy him then 6m is better than zero, no?
 
Dearg hÉireann said:
Or he could be like our very own Ethan Laird who most people thought was a shoe in to make it at United and he’s 24 now and not played a minute in the PL.

That’s the thing with young players, nobody knows but if Carrick doesn’t fancy him then 6m is better than zero, no?
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Quite possibly, but clubs don't judge young players purely on their ability and future potential. They judge them also on what space they have in their current squad. Obviously your 17/18 year old Giggs or Rooney are going to be worth a spot immediately, but other players aren't going to be for another few years. I'd like to see us having a bit more patience with 'our' juniors, even if Amass was technically borrowed from Watford.

I'd rather see such players filling the squad positions, because otherwise you could end up selling Jonny Evans for fk all and buying Marcos Rojo for far more money to do the same job less well .
 
There is a tendency for United fans to overhype academy products - the hype around the likes of Collyer and Wilson I never understood for example.

However, we've had a couple of stinkers in the last few years with Carreras and Garner being let go when they could have been very useful for us. It feels like we're prioritising short term financial gain over actually trying to get players to a level they can contribute. Amass is one of our better talents and only 19, extend his contract and give him another loan - even if he only ends up a back up player in his position, it's better that than having to buy your squad players.

You need homegrown players to fill out the squad. Shaw/Maguire/Rashford/Mount will be gone over the next couple of years where I can see us being forced to spend a fortune on overpriced homegrown players from other clubs because we're maxing out our foreign player limit.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Alvaro Fernandez all over again while we inevitably have a nightmare at LB again in the coming years.

People need to get over the obsession with buybacks as well. They are largely pointless. We had one for Alvaro and didn’t use it while he was sold for over 3 times the clause to Real Madrid instead. In a couple years why would an East London kid like Amass want to come back to a club who refused to give him a chance over one of the big London clubs?
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I remember at the time saying we should at least be activating the clause and doing the sale ourselves if we really do want him to be sold (which was not the move).

Got a bunch of people talking about "maintaining relations with Benfica" like they didn't agree to the buyback.
 
Dominos said:
There is a tendency for United fans to overhype academy products - the hype around the likes of Collyer and Wilson I never understood for example.

However, we've had a couple of stinkers in the last few years with Carreras and Garner being let go when they could have been very useful for us. It feels like we're prioritising short term financial gain over actually trying to get players to a level they can contribute. Amass is one of our better talents and only 19, extend his contract and give him another loan - even if he only ends up a back up player in his position, it's better that than having to buy your squad players.

You need homegrown players to fill out the squad. Shaw/Maguire/Rashford/Mount will be gone over the next couple of years where I can see us being forced to spend a fortune on overpriced homegrown players from other clubs because we're maxing out our foreign player limit.
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Collyer didn't have much hype as far as academy products because he was bought at age 19 from Brighton and didn't play much for the youth/reserve sides really.

Any hype was from his first team appearances by non-youth watchers.

Dearg hÉireann said:
Or he could be like our very own Ethan Laird who most people thought was a shoe in to make it at United and he’s 24 now and not played a minute in the PL.

That’s the thing with young players, nobody knows but if Carrick doesn’t fancy him then 6m is better than zero, no?
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Laird has been plagued by injuries almost his whole career.

acnumber9 said:
It was the exact same reaction in here when they were being sold. Also off the back of good pre season performances. I’m genuinely bemused as to what level of club people think Amass will be sold to and how much people think he is worth.
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Yeah, from people that didn't watch the youth sides. Really, go look at his dedicated thread on the youth teams. Amass genuinely did really well for the youth team and was incredibly press resistant at that level. Probably was our most press resistant player and he was a LB.

I get it, you want to crap on our youth players, but there are lots of us that call it as we see it. Some players deserve a chance for the first team (the star academy players) and there are those that get hype from non-youth watchers because they see clips on social media.

That doesn't mean those star youth players will make it 100%. They're more likely to not make it. But that doesn't mean you just ship off everyone you can. Depending on the circumstances, you give a chance to those players that do have a pathway (we're lacking in that position) and deserve a chance to have a slim pathway to the first team. If we're well stocked in 1 area and he's not a cert, you can sell them.

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It's the correct move and one that looks decisive. Iqbal is a good player but he never really stood out in the youth teams. And ten Hag brought him along on the pre-season tour and people got a little carried away with how he performed in meaningless warm up games.

The move to Utrecht looks good on paper and I hope he does well. And if he does well then we have a large sell on clause (per Ornstein) to benefit from. Post Fergie we've kept young players around too long due to indecision among the managers and Ed Woodward. Make a decision on Hannibal as well and we need to either play him or sell him imo.

The likes of Mainoo and Gore are up next.
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limerickcitykid said:
Should be thanking Ten Hag for giving him as much exposure to the first team as he did.

Ten Hag even played a part in getting him to Utrecht.

Iqbal couldn’t even make matchdays for our u18s, he was nowhere near making it in the first team.

He was also clearly never told he was going to play otherwise he’d talk about Ten Hag telling him that rather than some guff about Lisandro Martinez.
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Yeah the hype here isn't incredibly justified to be honest.

Just peeked through the Brandon Williams threads and jesus christ the overrating of him.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Yeah the hype here isn't incredibly justified to be honest.

Just peeked through the Brandon Williams threads and jesus christ the overrating of him.
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I dont see much i would call "hype" tbh, mostly just People acknowledging the obvious problem we have at left back with shaw being the only real candidate if Amass is sold for pennies.

The situation seems so easily handled by trusting Amass to be a relief option to Shaw. I dont think that willingness to give him a chance in these circumstances equates to "hype".
 
Dominos said:
Amass is one of our better talents and only 19, extend his contract and give him another loan - even if he only ends up a back up player in his position, it's better that than having to buy your squad players.
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What if he doesn't fancy signing a new contract and being on a loan again?
 
Ando8Goat said:
I dont see much i would call "hype" tbh, mostly just People acknowledging the obvious problem we have at left back with shaw being the only real candidate if Amass is sold for pennies.

The situation seems so easily handled by trusting Amass to be a relief option to Shaw. I dont think that willingness to give him a chance in these circumstances equates to "hype".
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He's arguably behind Dorgu, Dalot and Mazraoui as well until he's shown more in senior games.
 
RegisteredToSayOneThing said:
Hard to do when you never actually get senior games....
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Thats the thing. It seems to be a very good opportunity given our squad, him coming off a successful loan and our need to invest in other positions.

In my opinion this is litterally what the academy is for. Not saying that he is guaranteed to be a success, or that there is no risk involved, it just seems to be an acceptable risk.

Spending a lot of money on another player carries its own risks, and is not guaranteed to be a success either.
 
Freak said:
Maybe our coaches and manager who see him train on a day to day basis do not currently rate him as highly as fans on a football forum do.
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Clearly. But that doesnt mean that mere 'fans on a football forum" arent allowed to disagree, or that the manager is always correct.

This line of thinking would for instance exonerate every decision that Amorim made, because he watched the team train every day and made the correct choices because he had the data close at hand.

Did he feck, though.
 
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Clearly. But that doesnt mean that mere 'fans on a football forum" arent allowed to disagree, or that the manager is always correct.

This line of thinking would for instance exonerate every decision that Amorim made, because he watched the team train every day and made the correct choices because he had the data close at hand.

Did he feck, though.
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Agreed on Amorim, but why use him as an example when he's long gone and we have a new set of coaches and manager who have just proven in the past season that they can progress the team? Let's trust our current structure who look like they are competent and not the previous set of idiots.

Having an opinion or differing views is fine but lots are bashing the club over a player who hasn't even proven anything. If you want to go back into history, look at how us fans overrated players like Mejbri, Zidan. How many of them have actually made us regret it (I would not even say I regret Garner or Alvaro being let go)? It takes a lot of talent, hard work and dedication for a young player to make it into the first team. Us fans can only judge based on YouTube videos or watching actual youth games. But let's not bash the current version of the club management for letting them go. If they are good enough, they will make it into the first team squad.
 
Could we please put to bed this mad thing where people say Amass 'is fifth choice behind Shaw, Dorgu, Maz and Dalot and that's without even counting Licha or Heaven.'

  • Licha and Heaven are CBs with no suitability to LB.
  • Dalot is currently our first choice RB. You cannot count him as back-up to a different position. Especially one where he has only ever played badly for us.
  • Mazraoui is currently our back-up RB. In a potentially 60 game season, your RB back-up cannot also be your LB back-up. That's how you end up in such a deep injury crisis you have to make emergency January signings.
  • Dorgu has never played LB for us. He played LWB under Amorim. When Amorim went 4-2-3-1 against Newcastle, he played Dorgu at LW. Dorgu played LW under Carrick. He is also our only back-up to Cunha at LW, so see the point about Mazraoui above.
  • Shaw has just played only his second season in 12 for us that wasn't seriously disrupted by injury. No sensible person is expecting him to repeat that feat, especially when we could have nearly half again as many games. He is statistically likely to be out for a stretch at some point, and then his back-up is first choice for a lot of games and needs a reliable back-up of their own.
The bolded parts here don't rely on anyone's opinion of the players quality, they are just facts.

If you don't think Amass has the quality, or that because of his contract situation we have no choice, or whatever other reason, by all means advocate for his sale. But it's just false to suggest that if we don't buy a LB, we are well covered at that position. It would be downright negligent not to either buy a LB or decide we like Amass enough that we're happy to rely on him as a serious option there.
 
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