Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

[simonhch]

Kane isn't someone like Benzema. When the going gets tough and it's a really big match, just like the Euro game England vs France, he misses the decisive penalty. He doesn't have it in him to panenka it in.

We'll see how he does against the big boys in the knockout stages. But i wouldn't hold my breath if he continues to be underwhelming just like when he was at Tottenham.

Hype is outrageous...

since 2014-15 his goals per season have been:

29, 28, 35, 41, 24, 24, 28, 25, 32.

That’s nine seasons in a row of at least 24 goals a season. Which is an average of 30 goals per season. Playing for Spurs in arguably the most competitive league in the world.

His goal plus assist is even better:

34, 30, 40, 45, 30, 26, 44, 35, 37.

That’s an average of 36 G+A per season. Again, at Spurs.

This season at Bayern he has 21 goals in 15 games. And 28 G+A in 15 games. Meaning he is nearly averaging two goals scored or created per match.

All time top scorer for England with 61 goals in 87 matches, plus 15 assists. Meaning a G+A of 76 in 87 for the national team. Surpassing Rooney’s 53 goals in 120 apps or Charlton’s 49 in 106. All time top scorer for Spurs. Fastest player ever to reach 20 UCL goals (24 apps). Only England player to ever score in every major tournament qualifying game for a single tournament. Top scorer at 2018 World Cup.

But despite scoring a penalty earlier in that same game, I agree, he missed that second penalty against France. So the hype is just nonsense. Nothing player. Much like that time I wrote off Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio’s careers after they missed those penalties in 94. Losers.

 

[Pickle85]

since 2014-15 his goals per season have been:

29, 28, 35, 41, 24, 24, 28, 25, 32.

That’s nine seasons in a row of at least 24 goals a season. Which is an average of 30 goals per season. Playing for Spurs in arguably the most competitive league in the world.

His goal plus assist is even better:

34, 30, 40, 45, 30, 26, 44, 35, 37.

That’s an average of 36 G+A per season. Again, at Spurs.

This season at Bayern he has 21 goals in 15 games. And 28 G+A in 15 games. Meaning he is nearly averaging two goals scored or created per match.

All time top scorer for England with 61 goals in 87 matches, plus 15 assists. Meaning a G+A of 76 in 87 for the national team. Surpassing Rooney’s 53 goals in 120 apps or Charlton’s 49 in 106. All time top scorer for Spurs. Fastest player ever to reach 20 UCL goals (24 apps). Only England player to ever score in every major tournament qualifying game for a single tournament. Top scorer at 2018 World Cup.

But despite scoring a penalty earlier in that same game, I agree, he missed that second penalty against France. So the hype is just nonsense. Nothing player. Much like that time I wrote off Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio’s careers after they missed those penalties in 94. Losers.

well said.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

since 2014-15 his goals per season have been:

29, 28, 35, 41, 24, 24, 28, 25, 32.

That’s nine seasons in a row of at least 24 goals a season. Which is an average of 30 goals per season. Playing for Spurs in arguably the most competitive league in the world.

His goal plus assist is even better:

34, 30, 40, 45, 30, 26, 44, 35, 37.

That’s an average of 36 G+A per season. Again, at Spurs.

This season at Bayern he has 21 goals in 15 games. And 28 G+A in 15 games. Meaning he is nearly averaging two goals scored or created per match.

All time top scorer for England with 61 goals in 87 matches, plus 15 assists. Meaning a G+A of 76 in 87 for the national team. Surpassing Rooney’s 53 goals in 120 apps or Charlton’s 49 in 106. All time top scorer for Spurs. Fastest player ever to reach 20 UCL goals (24 apps). Only England player to ever score in every major tournament qualifying game for a single tournament. Top scorer at 2018 World Cup.

But despite scoring a penalty earlier in that same game, I agree, he missed that second penalty against France. So the hype is just nonsense. Nothing player. Much like that time I wrote off Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio’s careers after they missed those penalties in 94. Losers.

Agreed. Kane was underrated. The Spurs numbers would have been 20% higher at a top club. He’d be up there with Lewa and Benzema is global acceptance.

 

[Hound Dog]

since 2014-15 his goals per season have been:

29, 28, 35, 41, 24, 24, 28, 25, 32.

That’s nine seasons in a row of at least 24 goals a season. Which is an average of 30 goals per season. Playing for Spurs in arguably the most competitive league in the world.

His goal plus assist is even better:

34, 30, 40, 45, 30, 26, 44, 35, 37.

That’s an average of 36 G+A per season. Again, at Spurs.

A weird way to say he had more than zero assists.

In most of those aeasons, his assists numbers are poor for a player who supposedly contributes significantly in that regard.

There is a clear upward trend there, though.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Should have added more context probably... We currently have the strongest first half and weakest second half of the league ever (after these matches). Meaning the BL has quite a few of currently strong teams (which is also proven by the European results of these teams) and several teams that are truly horrible. The better BL teams currently are not much worse - if at all - than their PL equivalents, but if we look at the rest of the teams there definitely is a huge difference which is the whole reason why there is a gap in quality between the leagues at the moment.

And I did use only this seasons stats because this is the Harry Kane thread so only this season is relevant for his performances. He didn't play in the BL five years ago, he does now.

I’d add that The bottom half of the Premier League this year is a fecking shambles. People make out as if the Pl is strong through the whole league but it really isn’t. The three promoted teams are some of the worse teams I’ve ever seen in the prem and will probably all be relegated by February. That also means a lot of shit in the league willl survive comfortably. Fulham (this year), Bournemouth, Everton, Palace, Forest )anytime they’re away from home). These are very bad teams who play very bad and uninspiring football.

 

[Mourinhonista]

since 2014-15 his goals per season have been:

29, 28, 35, 41, 24, 24, 28, 25, 32.

That’s nine seasons in a row of at least 24 goals a season. Which is an average of 30 goals per season. Playing for Spurs in arguably the most competitive league in the world.

His goal plus assist is even better:

34, 30, 40, 45, 30, 26, 44, 35, 37.

That’s an average of 36 G+A per season. Again, at Spurs.

This season at Bayern he has 21 goals in 15 games. And 28 G+A in 15 games. Meaning he is nearly averaging two goals scored or created per match.

All time top scorer for England with 61 goals in 87 matches, plus 15 assists. Meaning a G+A of 76 in 87 for the national team. Surpassing Rooney’s 53 goals in 120 apps or Charlton’s 49 in 106. All time top scorer for Spurs. Fastest player ever to reach 20 UCL goals (24 apps). Only England player to ever score in every major tournament qualifying game for a single tournament. Top scorer at 2018 World Cup.

But despite scoring a penalty earlier in that same game, I agree, he missed that second penalty against France. So the hype is just nonsense. Nothing player. Much like that time I wrote off Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio’s careers after they missed those penalties in 94. Losers.

I didn't say he's a nothing player. But if he's as good as people think he is you expect him to score the penalties that really matter on the big stage. Not scoring them is a major red flag. Never really showed up there and he's been provided with a couple of very good opportunities.

Spurs have a top team for years. He played with Walker who's one of the best defenders England had, Vertonghen, Son and so on. He should've carried Spurs to some trophies. That Spurs team was build for him, everything went through him. Similar to Hazard when at Chelsea. That gives you a lot of advantages. Obviously Kane is a very good player. But there's got to be some criticism allowed without becoming so defensive.

That England team is full of talent for years. Still, where's the trophy? Not too fond of goals in the qualifiers, could start counting Lukaku goals.

 

[Gavinb33]

I didn't say he's a nothing player. But if he's as good as people think he is you expect him to score the penalties that really matter on the big stage. Not scoring them is a major red flag. Never really showed up there and he's been provided with a couple of very good opportunities.

Spurs have a top team for years. He played with Walker who's one of the best defenders England had, Vertonghen, Son and so on. He should've carried Spurs to some trophies. That Spurs team was build for him, everything went through him. Similar to Hazard when at Chelsea. That gives you a lot of advantages. Obviously Kane is a very good player. But there's got to be some criticism allowed without becoming so defensive.

That England team is full of talent for years. Still, where's the trophy? Not too fond of goals in the qualifiers, could start counting Lukaku goals.

Ronaldo missed a penalty in the biggest game of his career at the point he missed it, it happens

 

[Mourinhonista]

People said the same thing about Lewandowski, or even Robben. Surprise surprise, winning big matches is hard. Lots of world class players miss important shots.

Lewandowski won the league against Bayern twice and finished them off in the cup. Robben won the league in Spain and carried a weak Bayern team to a CL final and a few years later he actually won the thing.

 

[Mourinhonista]

Ronaldo missed a penalty in the biggest game of his career at the point he missed it, it happens

Ronaldo scored from open play in that game. And he was in his early twenties. Kane was 29. Somewhere in life you have to start taking your chances, otherwise the why it's not happening for you is on you.

 

[rimaldo]

Ronaldo scored from open play in that game. And he was in his early twenties. Kane was 29. Somewhere in life you have to start taking your chances, otherwise the why it's not happening for you is on you.

my god, you’re right. if bayern had anything about them, they’d take him out the back of the allianz and shoot him in the head.

 

[stefan92]

Just think about it, Bayern already lost the Supercup and exited the DFB Cup, winning the CL is always very hard and aleverkusen might beat them to the title. And Harry Kane could break Lewandowski's record, but it could be meaningless because Guirassy scores even more.

Of course it's not likely, but he could lose four team and one individual title despite his amazing performances so far, if that would happen you really would have to think he is cursed.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Ronaldo scored from open play in that game. And he was in his early twenties. Kane was 29. Somewhere in life you have to start taking your chances, otherwise the why it's not happening for you is on you.

feck me, Messi has missed how many big pens? Copa America final, loss to Chelsea in the Champions League semi where that miss absolutely fecked them.
Get a grip of yourself man, absolutely ridiculous posting.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

feck me, Messi has missed how many big pens? Copa America final, loss to Chelsea in the Champions League semi where that miss absolutely fecked them.
Get a grip of yourself man, absolutely ridiculous posting.

Destroying the likes of Madrid and Utd in semis and finals of the CL probably helped with refuting that scrutiny.

When was the last time Kane was truly outstanding in a match that matter re: silverwares? Anybody can miss a pen, but how often were you able to say he's the difference maker in a quarter, semi, final? He's no doubt a great striker, but the fact remains that he's never had as big an impact as someone like Benzema in that SF tie against City in the many knockout matches he's been involved in.

There's still time for him to rectify that, to be sure, someone like Zlatan carried the same stigma for years, so did CR7, unthinkable as it is now, for a while. But as of this moment, the criticism about his big game record is valid.

 

[Gavinb33]

Destroying the likes of Madrid and Utd in semis and finals of the CL probably helped with refuting that scrutiny.

When was the last time Kane was truly outstanding in a match that matter re: silverwares? Anybody can miss a pen, but how often were you able to say he's the difference maker in a quarter, semi, final? He's no doubt a great striker, but the fact remains that he's never had as big an impact as someone like Benzema in that SF tie against City in the many knockout matches he's been involved in.

There's still time for him to rectify that, to be sure, someone like Zlatan carried the same stigma for years, so did CR7, unthinkable as it is now, for a while. But as of this moment, the criticism about his big game record is valid.

Again look at the teams he played for in those matches none had a pedigreeif winning these type of games, as others have pointed out before I think the only thing you can knock him for is staying at Spurs for to long imo, if he'd left for City for instance he'd have likely done a Sheringham and won the treble after leaving Spurs, he could still win a treble this season.

 

[Mourinhonista]

Just like Vardy, ehh.

 

[stefan92]

He could still win a treble this season.

He can't, Bayern already lost two of four possible titles for this season (Cup exit against Saarbrücken, Supercup lost against Leipzig). Only league and CL are left

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Destroying the likes of Madrid and Utd in semis and finals of the CL probably helped with refuting that scrutiny.

When was the last time Kane was truly outstanding in a match that matter re: silverwares? Anybody can miss a pen, but how often were you able to say he's the difference maker in a quarter, semi, final? He's no doubt a great striker, but the fact remains that he's never had as big an impact as someone like Benzema in that SF tie against City in the many knockout matches he's been involved in.

There's still time for him to rectify that, to be sure, someone like Zlatan carried the same stigma for years, so did CR7, unthinkable as it is now, for a while. But as of this moment, the criticism about his big game record is valid.

Well, to be fair, he scored an extra time penalty against Denmark in the Euro semi-finals and also had no problem banging his penalty away in the final versus Italy, so to declare that missing a penalty in a big game is some kind of proof of him not being a great player is nuts to say the least; especially when we know how many players have done similar.

 

[Siorac]

aleverkusen might beat them to the title

I bet you couldn't say that with a straight face.

If Leverkusen needed a point in the final game to win the title and were 3-0 up with 90 minutes gone, they'd score four own goals in extra time, with the spirit of Klaus Toppmöller committing sepuku on a floodlight.

 

[stefan92]

I bet you couldn't say that with a straight face.

If Leverkusen needed a point in the final game to win the title and were 3-0 up with 90 minutes gone, they'd score four own goals in extra time, with the spirit of Klaus Toppmöller committing sepuku on a floodlight.

Well... which curse is stronger - Vizekusen's or Harry Kane's? This season will give us the answer.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

If he breaks Lewa's record first season in the Bundesliga does that diminish what Lewa has done? Or is it more an emphasis on just how good Kane is?

 

[Remember the geese]

If he breaks Lewa's record first season in the Bundesliga does that diminish what Lewa has done? Or is it more an emphasis on just how good Kane is?

No, it doesn't diminish what Lewandowski has done. Two top strikers.

 

[LDUred]

The Benzema comparison is flawed. Kane's not been playing with the same quality as Benzema has for club or country.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

I didn't say he's a nothing player. But if he's as good as people think he is you expect him to score the penalties that really matter on the big stage. Not scoring them is a major red flag. Never really showed up there and he's been provided with a couple of very good opportunities.

Spurs have a top team for years. He played with Walker who's one of the best defenders England had, Vertonghen, Son and so on. He should've carried Spurs to some trophies. That Spurs team was build for him, everything went through him. Similar to Hazard when at Chelsea. That gives you a lot of advantages. Obviously Kane is a very good player. But there's got to be some criticism allowed without becoming so defensive.

That England team is full of talent for years. Still, where's the trophy? Not too fond of goals in the qualifiers, could start counting Lukaku goals.

You're right, people in here obsess with Kane. For me in big games that really matter, he doesn't have the required mentality and this has contributed himself to winning feck all.

Most fans on here will just throw goal numbers and disregard any criticism as a result. He's obviously a very good player but I've yet to see him hit the level of Benzema or Lewandowski. He will with numbers, but he needs to win trophies.

 

[Pickle85]

You're right, people in here obsess with Kane. For me in big games that really matter, he doesn't have the required mentality and this has contributed himself to winning feck all.

Most fans on here will just throw goal numbers and disregard any criticism as a result. He's obviously a very good player but I've yet to see him hit the level of Benzema or Lewandowski. He will with numbers, but he needs to win trophies.

He's never played alongside the calibre of players that either of the other two have, nor in sides as functional as them.

Edit: for me, Kane is the flipside of the overhyped English player (Wilshere, Barkley etc). He actually gets underrated by some in large part because he's English.

 

[Zehner]

Funnily enough, Haaland, Cristiano and a bunch of other top goal scorers have been almost invisible in the most important games of some of their legacy defining title winning campaigns and nobody criticizes them for a lack of "clutchness". I guess if your team mates carry you over the line, that counts as "performing when it matters most".

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

He's never played alongside the calibre of players that either of the other two have, nor in sides as functional as them.

Edit: for me, Kane is the flipside of the overhyped English player (Wilshere, Barkley etc). He actually gets underrated by some in large part because he's English.

Fair enough, let's see if he will perform in Champions League semi finals and finals like the others. Still remains to be seen.

 

[GameOn]

Funnily enough, Haaland, Cristiano and a bunch of other top goal scorers have been almost invisible in the most important games of some of their legacy defining title winning campaigns and nobody criticizes them for a lack of "clutchness". I guess if your team mates carry you over the line, that counts as "performing when it matters most".

Spot on.

Same with Lewandowski btw - great player, but there is a reason people always complain about him not showing up in big games.

It's just that good opponents usually know how to take out the superstar striker and dare the other players to beat them.

The only recent superstar I remember almost always delivering great performances in big matches is prime Messi and that's bc he was just that special.

 

[Acrobat7]

You're right, people in here obsess with Kane. For me in big games that really matter, he doesn't have the required mentality and this has contributed himself to winning feck all.

Most fans on here will just throw goal numbers and disregard any criticism as a result. He's obviously a very good player but I've yet to see him hit the level of Benzema or Lewandowski. He will with numbers, but he needs to win trophies.

You should check Lewandowski‘s goal record in KO stages of the CL. That was always the knock on him.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

You should check Lewandowski‘s goal record in KO stages of the CL. That was always the knock on him.

Just checked, he's the third highest scorer ever behind Messi and Ronaldo

 

[hasanejaz88]

The knock against Lewndowski not doing well in knockout matches was relevant before the 2019-20 season, where he wasn't at his best. From that season though, he went to another level to become the best striker and player in the world.

As for Kane, I've always maintained he's very close to the level of Lewndowski and Benzema as one of the best strikers in the world, back when there were a few who didn't believe the same. As for whether he's better or worse than Lewandowski during Lewa's final seasons, he's certainly meeting that high standard. Still a lot of the season left and he's scored a fair few penalties as well till now.

 

[Zehner]

Spot on.

Same with Lewandowski btw - great player, but there is a reason people always complain about him not showing up in big games.

It's just that good opponents usually know how to take out the superstar striker and dare the other players to beat them.

The only recent superstar I remember almost always delivering great performances in big matches is prime Messi and that's bc he was just that special.

It's also the position. You participate much more when you're in the midfield and are more often in situations in which you can make good plays. And often not even that is enough - even Messi was called a bottler by some people because he didn't score when his team lost.

 

[Simbo]

Kane doing really well at tapping in other people's hard work right now, but who the hell is this Guirassy fella? 15 in 9 seems to be an even better record.

 

[stefan92]

Kane doing really well at tapping in other people's hard work right now, but who the hell is this Guirassy fella? 15 in 9 seems to be an even better record.

A solid striker who suddenly went on a great run - Stuttgart as a team just clicked after Hoeneß started managing them to a level that wasn't expected and Guirassy is the spearhead of this currently great team. Even when he was injured his replacement Deniz Undav scored very well, so it's not like Guirassy is on a purple patch, Stuttgart currently just are a great environment for their strikers.

 

[Zehner]

A solid striker who suddenly went on a great run - Stuttgart as a team just clicked after Hoeneß started managing them to a level that wasn't expected and Guirassy is the spearhead of this currently great team. Even when he was injured his replacement Deniz Undav scored very well, so it's not like Guirassy is on a purple patch, Stuttgart currently just are a great environment for their strikers.

They're playing very proactively as well and currently third in terms of possession. I enjoy their footvall very much.

Another example that a possession oriented style can only be practiced with an elite team @do.ob

 

[do.ob]

They're playing very proactively as well and currently third in terms of possession. I enjoy their footvall very much.

Another example that a possession oriented style can only be practiced with an elite team @do.ob

Are you going to tag me every time a team has ten good games? I already told you: strategy transcends patches of form or even individual seasons.

 

[Marwood]

You're right, people in here obsess with Kane. For me in big games that really matter, he doesn't have the required mentality and this has contributed himself to winning feck all.

Most fans on here will just throw goal numbers and disregard any criticism as a result. He's obviously a very good player but I've yet to see him hit the level of Benzema or Lewandowski. He will with numbers, but he needs to win trophies.

You think Benzema and Lewandowski are winning trophies with Spurs?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

You're right, people in here obsess with Kane. For me in big games that really matter, he doesn't have the required mentality and this has contributed himself to winning feck all.

Most fans on here will just throw goal numbers and disregard any criticism as a result. He's obviously a very good player but I've yet to see him hit the level of Benzema or Lewandowski. He will with numbers, but he needs to win trophies.

39 goals vs PL top 6 opposition... including 14 vs. Arsenal.

You can say "Big games that really matter" but a) how many of those games have Spurs actually had (assuming you're talking about cup finals) and b) It's Spurs, generally whoever they were up against in those games were much, much better then them.

If City had Kane instead of Haaland, are they less likely to win the treble last season? Of course not.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

You think Benzema and Lewandowski are winning trophies with Spurs?

Such a pointless question. It's like would Guardiola win the league with Spurs. Nobody knows the answer, these 2 players have been playing with top clubs because they're top players. Kane still has to prove it if he wants be called the best.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Such a pointless question. It's like would Guardiola win the league with Spurs. Nobody knows the answer, these 2 players have been playing with top clubs because they're top players. Kane still has to prove it if he wants be called the best.

 

[Ish]

It was always clear that Kane was in that top bracket of world class CF’s (Lewa, Benz, Suarez etc) - but he was always just “at the wrong club” to win the honours to go with that calibre of forward. In that aspect, I’m glad he’s made the move.

In the end, a couple of factors though: it doesn’t matter if he signed for Real, Bayern, City, PSG or Bayern. They’re all so dominant in their leagues that strikers of this calibre will always score bucketloads. I’m just glad he didn’t sign for City. He’d have been a monster and I’d have been forced to dislike him. If he’s able to pull off a UCL win plus a strong showing at the euros….who knows what he could win individually!