Gordon S
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Chiesa for 40m? Really?
So how much would he go for?Chiesa for 40m? Really?
My bad. Don't know the perfect term to describe signings at that range.More amazed that 40-50m is described as "cheap"
Impossible to tell with the current situation, but before this crisia he was rumoured to cost around 60-90 million euros.So how much would he go for?
He´s a big talent with lots of hype, would guess north of 60m.So how much would he go for?
What about a ST?? If Ighalo cant stay at least another season we surely need someone there or we`ll be back to square one?I
Impossible to tell with the current situation, but before this crisia he was rumoured to cost around 60-90 million euros.
I like the player, but I would think twice about getting a young italian player. They rarely want to leave Italy. Same goes for Tonali, but I have not seen him play that much.
Just go for Sancho, that would be enough for me this summer. If we can add Grealish and/or Bellingham that would be great, but I’ll be happy with just Sancho. We can cope with our current midfield as I suspect that Pogba ain’t gonna leave this summer.
Think he's one of those players that get's injured regularly. Great player on his day, but stay clear period.Waiting for the comparison between injury hampered Kane and RVP... Difference is, we signed RVP at the time when he was arguably the best player in the league... not a player coming off two injury ravaged seasons and doesn't look like Kane from 15-18.
Stay well fecking clear until he proves that he's over his injuries.
Kane isn't anywhere near RvP level. There is no comparison to be had.Waiting for the comparison between injury hampered Kane and RVP... Difference is, we signed RVP at the time when he was arguably the best player in the league... not a player coming off two injury ravaged seasons and doesn't look like Kane from 15-18.
Stay well fecking clear until he proves that he's over his injuries.
That's a beautiful team but 300m isn't enoughRashford Kane Sancho
Pogba Bruno
Partey
Shaw Maguire Koulibaly AWB
De Gea
Lets spend the 300 million on these four signings and be done with it!
The former.Which would you take: Sancho and Ighalo or Kane and a cheap RW(40-50m) eg Under, Brooks, Chiesa etc
I’m provoked.Kane isn't anywhere near RvP level. There is no comparison to be had.
Stats aren't everything. RvP was on another level to Kane, Kane couldn't do what RvP did for us in 12/13.I’m provoked.
RvP at Arsenal
280 games- 132 goals- 55 assists
Kane at Tottenham
278 games- 181 goals- 30 assists
I take issue when people make such comments so lightly. I mean, how could you possibly know all of that?Stats aren't everything. RvP was on another level to Kane, Kane couldn't do what RvP did for us in 12/13.
Well I seen both players play extensively and I rate RVP above Kane. It's an opinion doesn't mean I'm right and I'm an absolute RvP fan boy so there's that.I take issue when people make such comments so lightly. I mean, how could you possibly know all of that?
I agree to some extent. RvP at his peak probably was better than Kane. But he had what? Two seasons there? Kanes average level is no doubt higher than RvP.Stats aren't everything. RvP was on another level to Kane, Kane couldn't do what RvP did for us in 12/13.
You'd be mad not to take that deal.I know this scenario is jmpoaa and moreso because of Mourinho but would you swap Martial for Kane + 40-50m while keeping Ighalo or would you just keep Martial and Ighalo?
I imagined as much!Well I seen both players play extensively and I rate RVP above Kane. It's an opinion doesn't mean I'm right and I'm an absolute RvP fan boy so there's that.
I'm not saying the original point you replied to is valid but your stats aren't proof to the contrary.I’m provoked.
RvP at Arsenal
280 games- 132 goals- 55 assists
Kane at Tottenham
278 games- 181 goals- 30 assists
Well, it all depends on what criteria you’re discussing. I wrote a general response to what I found to be general statement.I'm not saying the original point you replied to is valid but your stats aren't proof to the contrary.
Van Persie the season we signed him, was the best striker in the world. No point talking about his stats from his entire career at Arsenal as he wasn't a goalscorer when signed and played backup to Bergkamp and Henry for a number of years. Played wide a lot as well.
Whereas Kane had a few seasons out developing at Leicester and Norwich and came back still young but much more of a goalscorer.
In short, no point comparing career stats. You have to look at the player at the time of signing.
It's like comparing Ronaldo's first 3 seasons at United to Nani's 3 first 3 seasons. Ronaldo took a significant step up after that Nani never could.
The criteria doesn't have to be spelt out. If you're signing a player, it doesn't really matter what they did 7 years previously, does it? I'd argue the most important period is the 24 months before you sign them. Are they on an upward curve? Is their form just a purple patch? Are they likely to continue or drop off?Well, it all depends on what criteria you’re discussing. I wrote a general response to what I found to be general statement.
I don’t think it’s an irrelevant sample, both broke into the premier league at approximately 21 years old, almost the exact same amount of games and game time and they’re both attackers who’ll be mainly judged by their production which was also at a very similar level. Of course there are caveats to this, (injuries, competition) but I though it was at least a decent starting point for a discussion.
RvP was 29 when he joined us, Kane is 26 so it’s not like I’m comparing the inception of their careers.
Van Persie was incredible in his prime, arguably far better than anything Kane has produced thus far but there was no criteria in the post I responded to and consistency isn’t an unimportant factor.
Yeah but Fergie also won CL quarterfinals with Ronny Johnsen in midfield and stuff you can't do anymore and we certainly can't do without a manager of his quality, which we're unlikely to find even if we do replace.Fergie would have signed Kane first chance he got. Would have worried about tactics/Greenwood etc. after.
Yeah, he always front loaded the attack with the best players he could get.Fergie would have signed Kane first chance he got. Would have worried about tactics/Greenwood etc. after.
Say what? Kagawa was a no 10Yeah, he always front loaded the attack with the best players he could get.
Its why he got RVP when he just signed Kagawa
It shoved Rooney back and took away his positionSay what? Kagawa was a no 10
But yeah Fergie always went heavy in attack, it’s cliche but goals do win you games ultimately.
I love the Idea of signing Sancho, love it.
However I can’t help but feel signing Kane would have SUCH a bigger impact.
Rashford - Kane - JamesSay what? Kagawa was a no 10
But yeah Fergie always went heavy in attack, it’s cliche but goals do win you games ultimately.
I love the Idea of signing Sancho, love it.
However I can’t help but feel signing Kane would have SUCH a bigger impact.
For balance I agree. But there are more goals in the former.Rashford - Kane - James
vs
Rashford - Martial - Sancho
It’s the second one all day long (in this either or hypothetical).
I wasn’t evaluating them from a transfer-target point of view though as that’s not the meaning I drew from the post I responded to, I was trying to look at them objectively as players.The criteria doesn't have to be spelt out. If you're signing a player, it doesn't really matter what they did 7 years previously, does it? I'd argue the most important period is the 24 months before you sign them. Are they on an upward curve? Is their form just a purple patch? Are they likely to continue or drop off?
He would never pay 200m for him, that's almost double his market value.Fergie would have signed Kane first chance he got. Would have worried about tactics/Greenwood etc. after.
The thing is, this is the transfer forum and people are discussing signing him. If we want to talk about Kane as a player and RVP as a player, it wouldn't be in this forum mate. I do get what you're saying, but think this being a transfer thread means we can infer we're discussing the signing of Kane.I wasn’t evaluating them from a transfer-target point of view though as that’s not the meaning I drew from the post I responded to, I was trying to look at them objectively as players.
Which means evaluating them based on their entire body of work.
Whilst RvP had the higher peaks, Kane has been alot more consistant than RvP. To say they’re incomparable is a strange suggeestion unless you specify what you actually mean by that in some way, are we talking technical ability? Raw talent?
Well that’s just not true - at all. As always, being injured and not able to create headlines drags down reputation. Just look at Pogba now, he’s suddenly on level with Jonjo Shelvey and will never get into the team, besides the fact that we’ve had a terrible season and lie 5th/6th depending on Sheffield feckin United. Harry Kane is a fantastic player, just like RVP, scores goals just like RVP did (in fact, he scores more goals) - and gets injured a lot... just like RVP..and RVNKane isn't anywhere near RvP level. There is no comparison to be had.