Hmmm so you're saying the players who don't play much don't get injured. If only we could figure out why
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Hmmm so you're saying the players who don't play much don't get injured. If only we could figure out why
He is just desperate at the moment.
Even before when they have played a lot they have rarely been out for long. I think particulary Mata as Young had more injuries in the past.Hmmm so you're saying the players who don't play much don't get injured. If only we could figure out why
Also Jones has been injured in training a lot. Rojo and Bailly have not played much either and are still out for long.
That's us fecked. Pogba, McTominay and Maguire out for the next 2 months probably I'd guess. Say what you want about Maguire, but all of our defensive statistics have been massively improved with him this season. We'll see the mess we are with him out now.
Absolute joke! Who the hells idea was it to let him carry on playing despite being clearly injured? Obviously going to make it worse. I suppose they can’t be blamed entirely though when the alternative is playing Phil Jones but they can actually because now we’re fecking stuck with him! Clubs a shambles! 
Which exactly?
From what I can tell we are terrible at keeping clean sheet, we still conceede lot of goals, we are terrible at set pieces both defensively and attacking wise. And let's not forget that it's not only Maguire that we bought this year, he should be helped massively by having Bissaka on the right in comparission with makeshift rightbacks from last year.
Feel bad for him.... and his wife.
What would he gain by lying?
It's an option that certainly needs to be explored if Maguire is out long term. How long more is Tuanzebe out for does anyone know? Bailly back in training and can at least give him a run out in the cup games.
Hopefully last night is the last time we see Phil Jones playing for United. Better off playing with 10 men than start him..
Cant be bothered to find them now but there have been plenty articles from stats guys who outline how we've actually improved loads defensively and are a good defensive side. It's clear watching us too IMO. Compare us to last season where, like yesterday, we looked a constant mess and wide open and easy to slice through. This season is more De Gea having a shit year and being punished on very few chances conceded, being one of the worst goalkeepers in the league with regards to xG against, etc. Hes usually at the top, but 2019 was shit for him. United as a team have been hugely improved with Wan Bissaka and Maguire, cant just put it down to one.
That was the first season. We struggled then too, but LVG wanted to play with 3 man defense even using Mcnair and Blackett.
They play in Championship now for Reading and Middlesbrough now.
He's been disappointing but we're definitely going to miss him.
We can’t catch a break. Too many starters injured for a lengthy spell this season.
This aint hindsight nor related to Maguire but i said that some players took a part in EL for no reason, we would still get out of the group i think.
Also lets cut the crap, for how many seasons we are talking about specific type of injuries and we blamed a luck, doubt anyone is that unlucky.
Also lets cut the crap, for how many seasons we are talking about specific type of injuries and we blamed a luck, doubt anyone is that unlucky.
Ole is to blame for this. Terrible at managing injuries it seems.
First Pogba: Brought back early versus Rochdale and played for 90 min. Mental.
mcTominay injured about 10 minutes in an played another 35 minutes before being taken off.
No Maguire. Injured early in the first half yet played 90 minutes.
While we will never now for sure it's a safe bet these injuries where made worse by playing on.
That is terrible management. And now people will make excuses for his losses cause our best players are injured.
First Pogba: Brought back early versus Rochdale and played for 90 min. Mental.
mcTominay injured about 10 minutes in an played another 35 minutes before being taken off.
No Maguire. Injured early in the first half yet played 90 minutes.
While we will never now for sure it's a safe bet these injuries where made worse by playing on.
That is terrible management. And now people will make excuses for his losses cause our best players are injured.
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So now we might actually act, but we can totally ignore the midfield this window even if that is a bigger problem. Our club is a joke.
Rotating is about taking risks, including finding the odd match in which you can rest your best centerhalf and use someone like Jones if you have too.
I really blame Ole for losing Smalling. He made the wrong choice in making Lindelof Maguire's partner and was too eager to make Tuanzebe third choice, which left Smalling as number four and pushed him out.
Granted, Smalling isn't world class, but he'd probably be our second best centerhalf and give us far better choices than the ones we have.
By tomorrow the press will link us with 20 CB s.
Give us Van Dijk for 150 million and I am happy. Although I am sure Ole would manage to make him play worse than Jones after a few months.By tomorrow the press will link us with 20 CB s.
Not sure who we can get on loan though who would be good. Demiral or Rugani from Juventus might be possible to get. I think most clubs would not let go of a starter on loan at this point in time. Kehrer from PSG maybe who made that first error against us I think. Might be someone from a smaller club who could be worth getting too. Although bench options from bottom half sides are normally not that great.
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It's our own fault. They rush players back too early and/or make them play injured.
This is a joke, right? We have one on loan already and we need midfielders.
Our club is a joke in the market so don't be suprised if they loan in a defender from Bournemouth or West Ham. Then buys S Longstaff for 30 million and think that is a great window.
We have 7. Are we going to find someone better on loan?
I am sorry really, but us being good defensive side is seriously laughable comment when we have conceeded 25 goals this season already, we conceeded 28 goals in full season just two years ago! Also conceeded just 29 goals under van Gaal too. Also conceeded less per game under Moyes too.
We literally have the worst defensive record this year in last 6 or 7 years. And apparently it's a big improvement, how exactly?
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Only 1 game fit atm.
Probably not unless we pay them for the loan. He might look for some defenders from Norway or something
. Molde might have a few around from his time.It may not be bad like when we got Henrik Larsson on loan and he helped us win the league in the end and scored a CL goal. Although I don't see many good defenders that we can easily get from the swedish league.
Granqvist and Lindelöf has a good partnership in the national side though so we could try. Although without a pre season Granqvist will be much slower than Mata and Matic at his age so it might take him weeks to get up to speed.
Same with most others from Norway, Denmark, Russia and Sweden.
Its worse because De Gea was in god mode for years, until 2019. Plenty of statistical metrics, not least just looking at xG, has us vastly improved. Shots against, passes conceded into the penalty area, touches in box against, etc are all reduced from before. De Gea being shit for all of 2019 doesn't mean that our defensive organization as a team hasn't been pretty good. Just means our goalkeeper who carried us for 5 years has lost form, maybe permanently.
XG against for the year, we're 2nd in the league only behind Liverpool. Real goals conceded we're 6th. Last year we were 8th in xG against, 11th in real goals against. Speaks volumes imo. You're forgetting just how bad the defence was before Maguire and Wan Bissaka came in.
So basically every goal we conceeded this season is because of de Gea, and we are worse statistically than in past 6 years only because of de Gea?
You are also using passes in the penalty box, shots against us as superior stats than goals conceeded and clean sheeets.
These stats are not a great tool to use. Better to watch the game and see how we are defending. Often when we are having to chase games other teams do not attack us that much. That helps make our defense look better since we concede early in the games or rarely get ahead in games.
The lack of clean sheets show that we are hard to trust in terms of defending. De Gea not being great is a big factor, but not the only one.
Why was he allowed to finish that game when obviously injured? Like what in the flying feck?
Didn't he get injured in the first half when we still had 3 subs to use ? And then played the full 90 minutes.
If we decide to loan someone while he is out injured, I think we need to loan a player who is in his best age, preferably English, experienced at the highest level, someone who has strength and pace and can play apart for a few years too, not just until the summer. Would be nice if he had experience to carry worse players next to him, at least defensively. Also he would need to be cheap.
Can we loan Smalling from Roma? If we decide to buy his price should be 12m, a bargain in this market. waaait a minute
Can we loan Smalling from Roma? If we decide to buy his price should be 12m, a bargain in this market. waaait a minute
Yup. Watching the games we are way more solid than we were the last few years when we leaked chances.
Nobody keeps clean sheets all the time. It's not even that big of a factor. A team that concedes just 1 goal every game is still probably a good defensive side, and their xG against would probably be relatively low. No clean sheets doesn't mean they are shit defensively. Just that every team occasionally concedes goals, and sometimes extended periods of good/bad runs happen, especially when your goalkeeper is on the bad run and a goal in football has such consequences.
The logic is that goals and clean sheets are so variable and inconsistent and reliant on luck, that a better predictor for future performance levels was xG collected over time. It makes sense. Better chances created = likely more goals scored. Fewer good chances conceded = likely fewer goals conceded. Sometimes doesn't pan out that way, like United this season (and United in 17/18 from an opposite sense when De Gea had one of the best all time goalkeeper seasons).
Why does it feel like every single season we have a mass injury crisis, it's becoming a bit of a joke.
We are solid at times, but also concede goals at the wrong moments a lot. I think against Leicester and Liverpool we defended very well and got unlucky with that late goal for Pool. Against City we defended fairly good, but I do think we gave them too much space to attack us. Although players like Sterling and Jesus wasted it big time unlike the game yesterday when the rest hurt us more like Silva, Mahrez and De bruyne.
I don't think we have defended well against most smaller teams. Burnley was a solid display I will say, but they also played very poorly. Norwich was good and solid since we totally dominated them, but apart from that we have looked weak in defense. Bournemouth, Newcastle, West Ham, Southampton, Palace, Watford, Wolves have not been great defending from us. They might not have created much against us all the time since they do understand that defending deep and not giving us much is enough to get something against us.
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That millenial xG bullshit never won us games, clean sheets and small number of goals conceeded is generally something that always made teams in premiership(and any other league) stand out ahead of other teams that struggled. Whenever we had crisis under Fergie we would get back in form by winning games 1-0, it's even something that teams like Liverpool are fond of. Even Guardiola's team won so many tight games by one goal from a set piece by keeping it tight in defence. That is the main reason why Leicester is second place ahead of City who have struggled because of poor defending/defensive injury crisis.
If you don't think that keeping clean sheets and not giving away stupid goals is important then we have nothing to discuss here. Because our two defenders cost us 5 points just in first two games of the season against fecking Wolves and Crystal Palace just because they were slow and couldn't win a fecking header. How about checking xg from those games, I reckon it would still go in their favour despite costing us 5 points from just two games?
We have 7 draws in league this season, and only one of those draws was 0-0, do you understand why I am mentioning clean sheets now? We conceeded 3 goals against Sheffield, we conceeded 2 goals against Aston Villa at Old Trafford, we conceeded 2 goals against Crystal Palace at home, and you call that good defence?
Would be nice if it was even true. But it's not.
What's our win rate in the league since OGS was appointed full time?
Like 25% if I remember correctly.
The only reason we look more solid defensively is because we've adopted a full mid table approach in sitting much deeper and trying to score only by counter attacking and playing down the wings. It's got nothing to do with increased defensive drills or a more solid, tactical approach. We are just playing defensive football without any initiative.
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