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That's true, but if you're giving away hundreds of low xG shooting opportunities, then xG adds up to show how much you risk the opposition scoring.High xG does not guarantee “great chances”. A bunch of shit chances (e.g. blocked shots from a long way out) can give you the exact same xG as two very good ones. That’s (one of) the reasons why people read far too much into xG.
Yes, agree to disagree. Just out of curiosity, what were the xG values of the two Rudiger chances and the Werner chance?I don't quite know why you're going on about Fred, he did make a mess of his chance at the end, no argument.
As for our defending, we're simply gonna have to agree to disagree, as this is going around in circles. For me, the stats are pretty clear, only one defence (Newcastle's) conceded more expected goals than us.
No. It's based on his 3 seasons with us. The first one being poor to average at best, excused for being a new signing. The second season, the first half has was awful and it was excused again for the 'Greece incident'. The second half of that season admittedly he was better but still not good enough if you ask me. And now we are a third of the way into his third season and he's been awful again. How many more excuses are we going to create for him?This is nonsense really - we conceded one goal because Chelsea were profligate, wasting loads of chances, not because of any masterful defending.
Your opinion on Maguire in general is based on this season only really. He's played against plenty of premier league attackers as a mainstay of our defence for the previous 2 seasons in which we had the 4th and 3rd fewest goals against in the league, along with his time at Leicester, and at the Euros with England as a mainstay of a defence that conceded 0 goals from open play (1 direct free kick, 1 corner). He's obviously a top defender, but one that's having a poor season, partly because he's been heavily overplayed for the last few seasons.
He's not better than Varane. Questionable that he's even that much better than Lindelof or Bailly. I'm not even sure if Phil Jones is still alive.He's the Captain! Even if he's not worth 80 mil, hes still worth like 60 mil which is much better all the rest of the defenders in the squad.
Look there's no point in continuing this discussion, the level of hyperbole in your post is frankly a little unhinged.No. It's based on his 3 seasons with us. The first one being poor to average at best, excused for being a new signing. The second season, the first half has was awful and it was excused again for the 'Greece incident'. The second half of that season admittedly he was better but still not good enough if you ask me. And now we are a third of the way into his third season and he's been awful again. How many more excuses are we going to create for him?
I'll concede we can't take us only conceding one against Chelsea as definite signal we are better without Maguire but i'd bet my house on it we would have lost game if he played. He's directly at fault for about half of the goals we've conceded this season. He's absolutely crap and I'm fed up of it being excused or claimed that he's just out of from. He is out of from yes, but even his top for is substandard.
Bruno was insane last season. More productive. How has he deteriorated?Agree with this.
Bruno, Wan bissaka, Maguire have deteriorated.
Players like Rashford and Greenwood haven't progressed a whole level etc.
they don't think so over at ESPN. he hasn't broken into the top 10 in his position once. They do a list every season. AWB has, Bruno, De Gea, Pogba etcThis is nonsense really - we conceded one goal because Chelsea were profligate, wasting loads of chances, not because of any masterful defending.
Your opinion on Maguire in general is based on this season only really. He's played against plenty of premier league attackers as a mainstay of our defence for the previous 2 seasons in which we had the 4th and 3rd fewest goals against in the league, along with his time at Leicester, and at the Euros with England as a mainstay of a defence that conceded 0 goals from open play (1 direct free kick, 1 corner). He's obviously a top defender, but one that's having a poor season, partly because he's been heavily overplayed for the last few seasons.
Oh right well that's clearly irrefutable evidence, ESPN have spoken.Bruno was insane last season. More productive. How has he deteriorated?
they don't think so over at ESPN. he hasn't broken into the top 10 in his position once. They do a list every season. AWB has, Bruno, De Gea, Pogba etc
This is it. Put anyone in our defence when Ole was in charge, they'll all look bad. Look at Chelsea game, Lindelof and Bailly looked good because they had cover.ruben dias has a proper midfield in front of him. its unfair to compare maguire with this joke of uniteds midfield to ruben.
now if we talk about national teams, harry was nominated for the best EUROS XI and ruben wasnt, that just happened a few months ago.
Sorry, but this is just a poor excuse. Soo many of Maguire's mistakes are caused by himself - i.e the first Leicester goal, the sending off vs Watford, nearly every goal vs LFC, keeping players onside, being out of position etc, .ruben dias has a proper midfield in front of him. its unfair to compare maguire with this joke of uniteds midfield to ruben.
now if we talk about national teams, harry was nominated for the best EUROS XI and ruben wasnt, that just happened a few months ago.
absolute nonsense excuse. Dias is a force on his own to be reckoned with. Maguire is full of individual blunders and brain dead decisions. You cannot blame the midfield. Majority of his price tag is the English tax IMO.ruben dias has a proper midfield in front of him. its unfair to compare maguire with this joke of uniteds midfield to ruben.
now if we talk about national teams, harry was nominated for the best EUROS XI and ruben wasnt, that just happened a few months ago.
He really should've played for Scotland.McGuire made the step up to being a leader with England and a leader with Utd too soon imo.
He is playing worst than normal at the moment so he has a higher level. Since he has been in the EPL he hasn't made them team of the season which is fine since only 2 can make it although historically we have CB who make it. Problem is his Leicester replacement Çağlar Söyüncü got put in there so they don't miss him and seem to have fleeced usMcGuire made the step up to being a leader with England and a leader with Utd too soon imo. He is a decent centre half and not bad on the ball at all. He is still injured to me...looks off it compared to previous seasons....but it’s the expectation that’s getting to him by the looks of it.
McGuire also carries the weight of being the go to guy when playing out from the back..the rest of the backline and the keeper all seem to look for him. Once he makes one mistake and the pressure cranks up he struggles.
take the captaincy off him and get a proper game plan for playing out from the back and he will have two big weights off his shoulders...he will be fine.
Midtable team that finished 2nd last season. Silly Billy.Ake was injured most of last season. He made some decisive mistakes at the start of this season then was benched indefinitely.
Shame. I think he would be a good player for a midtable team like Manchester United.
If we can get 60 mil for him we should sell right awayHe's the Captain! Even if he's not worth 80 mil, hes still worth like 60 mil which is much better all the rest of the defenders in the squad.
Harry, is that you?people who want to take the captain armband from maguire are clueless about real football. it just doesnt work this way, its like reading twitter over here.
maguire is the captain. he is the leader in the dressing room and once rangnick sorts the midfield he will be back to the form that got him nominated to the best EUROS XI.
Ake was terrible. He relegated his team. He's lucky to be even in City bench at this point.Ake was injured most of last season. He made some decisive mistakes at the start of this season then was benched indefinitely.
Shame. I think he would be a good player for a midtable team like Manchester United.
Funny, we're in the Maguire thread.Ake was terrible. He relegated his team. He's lucky to be even in City bench at this point.
Pep wanting a defender isn’t really a sign that the defender is of quality.The Athletic in their long article about the transfer said that City bid £70m after failing to include Otamendi or Mangala in the deal for him. That bid was rejected and that was their limit. Guardiola confirmed in his press conference that they were in for him but couldn’t afford it.
It doesn’t prove his quality in and of itself but nor is it an irrelevance in any discussion about his level. That one of the greatest managers in the game and well run transfer committee were happy to invest that much says something about his level at least.
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After all, Pep signed Laporte, Stones, Cancelo, Dias.Pep wanting a defender isn’t really a sign that the defender is of quality.
After all, Pep also signed Nathan Ake, Mendy and Danilo who were all dog shit at defending.
The depressing thing is, he has to earn it from who? Bailly? The guy will probably score an own goal tonight, and Lindelof is prone to his own brain dead moments. He will soon be back in the team, I wish we had the defenders capable of keeping Maguire on the bench.He should have to earn his way back into the team, he’s been absolutely terrible these last few months.
Which proves the point, some turn out good and some turn out bad. Pep wanting a defender doesn't qualify the defender as top quality.After all, Pep signed Laporte, Stones, Cancelo, Dias.
I know we don't have the best of alternatives. But if we are being completely honest, Lindelof seems a much less liability than Maguire right now. Even Bailly who is prone to brain farts is probably a better option. Considering Maguire is making calamities one after another, then playing Bailly isn't really a gamble any more as the calamities can't get much worse.The depressing thing is, he has to earn it from who? Bailly? The guy will probably score an own goal tonight, and Lindelof is prone to his own brain dead moments. He will soon be back in the team, I wish we had the defenders capable of keeping Maguire on the bench.
Haha funny you mention that I was actually going to add that to the end of my post that Bailly and Lindelof are liabilities so he’d probably be back in the team after a couple games anyway.The depressing thing is, he has to earn it from who? Bailly? The guy will probably score an own goal tonight, and Lindelof is prone to his own brain dead moments. He will soon be back in the team, I wish we had the defenders capable of keeping Maguire on the bench.
I agree, and it's mainly due to Maguire being shambles, and Bailly is Bailly, one moment he is our best defender, the next one is mayhem.I know we don't have the best of alternatives. But if we are being completely honest, Lindelof seems a much less liability than Maguire right now. Even Bailly who is prone to brain farts is probably a better option. Considering Maguire is making calamities one after another, then playing Bailly isn't really a gamble any more as the calamities can't get much worse.
Maguire has been a mayhem since the start of the season. I fail to see how giving Baily a chance can do us bad. Yeah, for sure, he scored a shitty one goal, but aside from that he has been stellar.I agree, and it's mainly due to Maguire being shambles, and Bailly is Bailly, one moment he is our best defender, the next one is mayhem.
I've always felt Maguire is one of those unusual players. When he is fully fit and at the peak of his form, he is a very good quality defender. Not world class, just very good. Similar to how Johnny Evans used to be for us. However, if Maguire is even 5-10% below his peak then his drop off is catastrophic. He ends up looking comical and a major liability.I agree, and it's mainly due to Maguire being shambles, and Bailly is Bailly, one moment he is our best defender, the next one is mayhem.
If Ragnick is as good as his reputation that is portrayed and I feel overblown, I have no worries of the casualties that this expected working system of the German will bring. Whether that is Maguire, Ronaldo or whoever. Few of these players I feel deserve better, I would chop them off to Burnley the majority of them if I had the opportunity. So if maguire can not fit in, feck him off.I've always felt Maguire is one of those unusual players. When he is fully fit and at the peak of his form, he is a very good quality defender. Not world class, just very good. Similar to how Johnny Evans used to be for us. However, if Maguire is even 5-10% below his peak then his drop off is catastrophic. He ends up looking comical and a major liability.
I do worry for Maguire in how he will fit in to the short term plans of Ragnick. We already know Ragnick is unlikely to change his philosophy to accomodate players. We need to move away from that approach. Ragnick teams will press high and require high intesity. Both of these aspects are what Maguire struggles with. Maguire's game suits a team that drops off and plays counter attack while keeping tight and compact at the back where it forces opponents to play crosses and high balls in which Maguire can deal with. When it comes to any kind of space in behind, he gets exposed badly. He tries to counter it by being overly aggressive at times in order to disguise his weakenesses in being beaten by quick turns and pace.
I like Bailly, actually much more than Lindelof and more than Maguire to be fair, however I've learned not to put much hope on him unfortunately.Maguire has been a mayhem since the start of the season. I fail to see how giving Baily a chance can do us bad. Yeah, for sure, he scored a shitty one goal, but aside from that he has been stellar.
The more I look at that the more I fume.
Same, I'd understand if it was Varane or if Maguire was on hot fire formIs he available tonight? I hope Carrick sticks with Lindelof and Bailly.
