Roux
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Why you would grab players in the box in this VAR era is just stupid - he's a constant offender, very lucky to get away with it last night.
He is. He played some class passes tonight.I still wonder how and when this myth of him being good on the ball started.
They have recovery pace. He has non, which means we defend from deep.That's true of lots of top level centre backs though. If they get caught up the field, the vast majority aren't catching up with a forward. That includes the likes of Dias and Laporte. They're not all that quick either. Is Matip all that quick?
Agreed played very well yesterday. Made some absolutely critical headers too at decisive moments.I genuinely think some people on here need to find a new sport. It baffles me how some people can be so clueless yet are so bullish in their opinions. They clearly don't understand the first thing about what they are watching, but still pop up here talking nonsense.
As I said before, Maguire was brilliant yesterday. Absolutely first-class, everything you would want in a modern CB. This is why the bloke is rated so highly by actual football managers, is captain of Manchester United and one of the first names on the teamsheets for one of the best national football sides in the World.
Shaws been concussed twice in as many weeks. Hardly phantomHe’s going through a wretched run of form. If Varane was healthy, it would have been tempting to give him a phantom injury like Luke Shaw and let him take some time off.
I mean he clearly did have a better game than recently. You’ve literally admitted it in the first line. Get behind your players and give them credit when it’s due.Nah, he didn't have a better game, just a game where he didn't make a mistake that lead to a direct goal.
Other than that, he was the usual, slow passing, sleeping on the ball and getting covered by Lindelof a few times.
Do they though? Are they catching up with quick forwwrds who have a head start? I don't think so.They have recovery pace. He has non, which means we defend from deep.
He is. He played some class passes tonight.
He does dwindle on the ball at times, but there was one time he threw his hands up in the air in disgust when noone moved.
If the ref wasnt blind he would have cost us a penalty.Agreed played very well yesterday. Made some absolutely critical headers too at decisive moments.
It's a massive myth that CBs need to be quick. They don't, not even to play in a 'progressive' formation.Do they though? Are they catching up with quick forwwrds who have a head start? I don't think so.
Pace is obviously Maguires big weakness but it's not like the other top teams all have sprinters at CB.
It was never a pen. Hands-on someone doesn't automatically mean it's a pen. Game has literally gone soft.If the ref wasnt blind he would have cost us a penalty.
This is the stage we are at now on RedCafe. Criticising our own players for 'fouls' that weren't given, even after VAR reviewIt was never a pen. Hands-on someone doesn't automatically mean it's a pen. Game has literally gone soft.
Agreed. Any excuse to throw Maguire in the mud. He had a good game yesterday so some straws have to be clutched.This is the stage we are at now on RedCafe. Criticising our own players for 'fouls' that weren't given, even after VAR review
Yeah mate if football was just about raw pace every game we would see 100 meter sprints. Positioning is vital and the faster players on the pitch doesn’t always Olypics style sprint past a defender. Maguire’s problem is he’s just slow af and normally not positioned well.Do they though? Are they catching up with quick forwwrds who have a head start? I don't think so.
Pace is obviously Maguires big weakness but it's not like the other top teams all have sprinters at CB.
He pulled him down in our Penalty area. it was silly and typical of him. Of course it will be highlighted when people are trying to paint some weird picture where he was apparently excellent.This is the stage we are at now on RedCafe. Criticising our own players for 'fouls' that weren't given, even after VAR review
Yeah totally agree with all that.It's a massive myth that CBs need to be quick. They don't, not even to play in a 'progressive' formation.
Now, obviously, pace helps. It helps to get defenders out of bad situations. The trick, however, is not to get into these 'bad situations'. In reality, pace should only be required as an absolute last-resort, get-out-of-jail card in a desperate situation.
The reason Maguire (and Varane and Lindelof) looked so exposed earlier on in the season is because we were constantly getting countered every time we lost the ball. They were spending half the game scrambling, running back towards their own goal or facing 3 vs 3 attacks. See the Villarreal game if you want an example of how even a Champions League and World Cup winning CB (Varane) looks all at sea if their are huge gaps everywhere. Maguire didn't play in this game, and it's arguably the game we have been most-chaotic all season.
The fact is, CBs are usually 6ft+ and 90KGs, whereas attackers are usually short, agile and very quick. A quick attacker, i.e. Mo Salah, would burn even the quickest CBs over 10/20 yards, it's just a fact. If you're constantly relying on winning foot-races and one vs one defending, you are getting something wrong as a unit
I don't really but the positioning thing. I mean what are the chances all these posters know exactly how a top level CB should be positioned at all times. It's a simple game and sometimes fans can see things a manager for instance can't but it's got that way with Maguire where fans are just hyper critical.Yeah mate if football was just about raw pace every game we would see 100 meter sprints. Positioning is vital and the faster players on the pitch doesn’t always Olypics style sprint past a defender. Maguire’s problem is he’s just slow af and normally not positioned well.
It's a syndrome - there's even a name for it. Something-something syndrome: the thicker you are, the surer you are that you're actually sharp as hell.It baffles me how some people can be so clueless yet are so bullish in their opinions.
People keep refering to Bailly Varane partnership. I mean Bailly can hardly stay fit for 3 games in a row.I genuinely think some people on here need to find a new sport. It baffles me how some people can be so clueless yet are so bullish in their opinions. They clearly don't understand the first thing about what they are watching, but still pop up here talking nonsense.
As I said before, Maguire was brilliant yesterday. Absolutely first-class, everything you would want in a modern CB. This is why the bloke is rated so highly by actual football managers, is captain of Manchester United and one of the first names on the teamsheets for one of the best national football sides in the World.
"Nah, he didnt have a good game, he just didn't make any mistakes???" If that's not a good game, what is? Damn, some of you guys really hate this guy, it's crazy. He was great yesterday, did everything that was needed.Nah, he didn't have a better game, just a game where he didn't make a mistake that lead to a direct goal.
Other than that, he was the usual, slow passing, sleeping on the ball and getting covered by Lindelof a few times.
I feel slightly reluctant having to wish on somebodies downfall to win the bet. But yes it works for me haha.Considering I've been supporting him plenty, that sounds like some grade A projection.
What do you reckon, £100? Surely we can get a witness, which means neither of us can back out. Majority being more than half. That work for you?
I get that, but it goes to a good cause.I feel slightly reluctant having to wish on somebodies downfall to win the bet. But yes it works for me haha.
I'll give it to you he looked a lot better against Arsenal but I can't say I believe that will last.
What? Did you miss that Queresma-esque beauty with the outside of his foot under pressureHe really isn't for me. There is one pass he needlessly passed out of play on his left because he dwindled on it. Man needs all the time and space in the world to make some good passes
Yeah while that was an absolutely brain dead move I am not sure that's a penalty anymore due to lack of consequence. The ball wasn't near the player.He is as prone to lapses of bad judgement as Bailly. What the **** was the thinking wrestling down opponents on the edge of the penalty area.
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He looked like this most of last season an the season before.His best game this season. Looks more confident, but playing CP so maybe need time before saying his recovered to his old self.