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Maguire isn't good enough but its harsh to single him out for blame on the goal. It was a really a team failure.
Atleti are starting their build up around 40:10, passing around the pack. What is United doing? Ronaldo is walking around and still complaining about the non-call on Elanga, there is no focus among the players on getting back into a good defense shape, the back line isn't organized, McTominay isn't close enough to Fred, and most importantly there is way too much space between the three lines.
All Atleti have to do is play one simple ball to the fullback, he does a little juke around a half-interested Sancho, and then he can stress a disorganized defense by playing between the lines to Griezmann. At that point you can criticize Maguire's decision to go but if he doesn't then Griezmann is going to turn and either run at the defense or be completely free to play the ball to Koke/Lodi in space on the other side, which will also be dangerous. The improvisational defending from this point on is not good but any side that allows this situation to happen so easily will end up conceding goals.
Once they're running back everybody seems to do a poor job communicating about responsibilities - Maguire, Telles, Dalot, and McTominay. Its hard to tell whether that's poor execution or poor coaching.
Atleti are starting their build up around 40:10, passing around the pack. What is United doing? Ronaldo is walking around and still complaining about the non-call on Elanga, there is no focus among the players on getting back into a good defense shape, the back line isn't organized, McTominay isn't close enough to Fred, and most importantly there is way too much space between the three lines.
All Atleti have to do is play one simple ball to the fullback, he does a little juke around a half-interested Sancho, and then he can stress a disorganized defense by playing between the lines to Griezmann. At that point you can criticize Maguire's decision to go but if he doesn't then Griezmann is going to turn and either run at the defense or be completely free to play the ball to Koke/Lodi in space on the other side, which will also be dangerous. The improvisational defending from this point on is not good but any side that allows this situation to happen so easily will end up conceding goals.
Once they're running back everybody seems to do a poor job communicating about responsibilities - Maguire, Telles, Dalot, and McTominay. Its hard to tell whether that's poor execution or poor coaching.
Actually I'm not. You just picked the stats to suit your argument. Truth is, if you look at all the stats, VVD has been better. But not by much as Matip has been playing fantastic this season. I've even heard some say he's been their best defender this year...
Cheer them on, not try and put them down. It's gotten to the point where people seem like they want him to have a bad game so they can be right. Have you looked at his social media accounts? It's full of United "supporters" calling him every name in the book. Do you think that is helping him?
The entire team is under performing, but none of them take the blame or are scapegoated like Maguire is and that's a fact. As long as he's on the field, if the opponent scores, people find a way to blame him. It's pathetic
How many goals has he cost us this season in the premier league alone, chatting direct errors. Awful captain, deserves what he gets.
All these posts, the guy is just a bum.
That offside goal Atletico scored was hilarious, just pressing in no man’s land for no reason. Not the first time either.
That offside goal Atletico scored was hilarious, just pressing in no man’s land for no reason. Not the first time either.
He actually might be a CD with the amount of times he gets spun
.Whoever was involved in that 80m deal should never work in football again.
This is the thought i have every time i watch him play for us. A disgrace we paid that amount for him. Gross incompetence that we got rinsed like that. Especially when you factor in the 50M we spent on AWB as well. 130M for those two? Dear god
Don't even want to think about AWB either, jesus christ we actually paid 50m for him. Honestly are Maguire and AWB any better than Smalling, Brandon Williams, Laird, Axel or Mengi? All of who we either let go to make way for them or are out on loan.This is the thought i have every time i watch him play for us. A disgrace we paid that amount for him. Gross incompetence that we got rinsed like that. Especially when you factor in the 50M we spent on AWB as well. 130M for those two? Dear god
How many has he cost us, or how many has he been scapegoated for? There are two very different answers. If you are blaming him for both Atletico goals that is scapegoating
I said similar to the bloke next to me last night, it says it all about the state of the club when we paid £80mil for a CB and we don't want him anywhere near a football.
Nah, they’re not. Says it all when Palace and Leicester fans wouldn’t want them back.
Not sure if this has been responded to, the instigator and majority blame goes to Maguire. He rushes out of the defensive line and doesnt win the ball. The atleti player runs on the inside of telles which forces Varane to track him. Telles makes the correct move to cover the centre, this is basic defending principles, if the cb gets dragged out the fullback should cover the center. Maguire at this time panics and instead of occupying the centre to the side of Telles where the gap is he instead rushes towards the ball. Dalot in this moment has 3 players to mark. He makes the correct choice and goes with the central runner who should have been covered by a maguire recovering to the correct spot. Ball gets played over dalot, hes now out of position, goal scored. The issue is created by Maguire and then compounded by maguire not recovering to cover the centre.
Whether he's to blame or not, all season he's constantly getting caught out, can't pass, can't communicate, doesn't track runners, literally turns slower than milk, is constantly flat-footed, and doesn't adjust.
Swap him for someone like Coady or Craig Dawson and we wouldn't see a massive drop off if at all.
He has had a handful of poor games (Liverpool, City, Watford, Leicester) where most of our goals against came from. But for the most part he's been good. Our problem hasn't been conceding too many. It's been at the other end of the field. We have too many 1-1, 0-0, or 1-0 games. These are the games where our biggest problem isn't the defense, but some how Maguire gets blamed for it. And as long as he's on the field, if the opponent scores people look for a reason to blame him. Yesterday being the best example. One wing back crosses and another wing back heads it home and it's Maguire's fault? If that's not scapegoating then i don't know is. But let's pretend for one minute that Maguire is the problem. That would mean that if he isn't playing we would do much better right? Take us to January of this year. Maguire was out for the entire month. How did we do? Let me tell you. During that time De Gea had to make more saves than any other keeper in the EPL and for the first time in something like 6 years, a keeper was named player of the month in the EPL. In fact, the only game where De Gea wasn't MOTM was against West Ham where he only had to make one save. That also happened to be the only game Maguire played. And in these games where De Gea had to make more saves than any other keeper in the league, who do you think we were playing against? City? Liverpool? Chelsea? Nope. It was against Villa, Brentford and Wolves. But go on...tell me again how Maguire is the problem with our team and that you aren't just scapegoating him...
He isn't the problem, he's a problem. The problem is the board and the squad on the whole is shocking. Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Dalot, McTominay, Jesse, Rashford to name a few shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 Pogba and Cavani can both pack their bags too. If you think Maguire is good enough i seriously question your standards for quality. Worst captain in my lifetime, even Young was better.
It's down to the coach who keeps selecting him. Can't blame Maguire here.
I don't think Ralf wants to play him.
Maguire is our best central defender along with Varane. I wouldn't mind seeing Lindelof rotated in though. But the way you improve a team isn't by replacing your best players. You improve a team by replacing your worst players. So if we were to get a new central defender it would be to replace Bailly. Hopefully that new player is better than Maguire so that Maguire can then move to our 3rd option and Lindelof becomes our 4th option. I'm not going to get into the other players you mentioned other than Rashford. He is quality but is going through a horrible time right now. I like that Ralf has been rotating him and Elanga as Rashford won't refind form sitting out. He needs to play his way through it and find his confidence again...
Then that's his job to combat external pressure and to bin Maguire to the bench. Until the status change in his contract, Ralf is paid to be the manager making tough decisions.
Honestly i'd rather just get shot of two from Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly. Sign someone to partner Varane and then use one of the three previously mentioned along with Bernard/Mengi as 3rd and 4th.
Same goes for the midfield, let Pogba, Mctominay, Donny and Matic all go and have a new 6 and 8 along with Garner replacing them. Which i know will take 2-3 summers, but hopefully, that's the way we head.
Who is Pogba? He's already gone. Matic is still useful, just not all the time. He's a "60 minutes per week" kind of guy. McTominay is a squad player and could prove to have some use. We've seen good out of him. He's just not a DM. And Donny I would really like to see given an actual chance. A real chance. And not in a 10. He's a #8 and I'd like to see him given a run there. But first and foremost we need a proper DM. I'd actually like to see Lindelof given a shot in the #6. He's got all the attributes, or at least he seems to...
Absolutely next season we need an actual proper DM, we've seen Fred can operate well as an 8, so a specialist DM would be a dream.
UnderratedHe actually might be a CD with the amount of times he gets spun
I actually laugh with my liverpool fan friends about how shit this guy is!
He actually might be a CD with the amount of times he gets spun
Fred has surprisingly been fantastic in the #8. He actually looks Brazilian. That move on the touchline yesterday...whoa
Deserved a goal. Would've been incredible.
How appropriate.We paid the £80m in one lump sum.
Right round baby right roundHe actually might be a CD with the amount of times he gets spun
Honestly don’t want to see him play for us again.
Just cut our losses and move on.
Just cut our losses and move on.
Agree. How do we achieve this!?
Chelsea have dropped Kepa and Lukaku (combined £169m); Arsenal don't start Pepe (£72m); Spurs have loaned out Ndombele (circa £60m).
Just because we've dropped £80m on this guy doesn't mean he has to start; rivals have made as big mistakes but don't persist with them regardless of form, which is the worst thing we can do in this situation.
Just because we've dropped £80m on this guy doesn't mean he has to start; rivals have made as big mistakes but don't persist with them regardless of form, which is the worst thing we can do in this situation.
We can do that when we have an alternative. Lindelof isnt good enough either. Bailly and Jones are liabilities.
The problem with him putting pressure is that he makes the wrong decision again and again and end up messing up the defence. Against Atletico there were at least three occasions including the goal and the disallowed goal, where they took advantage of Maguire running in to midfield. It looked as something that had practised. Varane and Lindelof may not attack as often, but both are better at reading the game and make decisions when to attack or stay.
It could also be, that Lindelof has always stayed down to cover for Maguire. Like you wrote, it could have been his intructions. We see this season, if the stats you presented are correct, that Lindelof has more interceptions than Harry. Could be because his role and instructions have changed.
My argument is that if Maguire wasn't following team instructions and was making the big errors then he would be dropped.
Why do you think he hasn't been dropped?
Think it’s a combination of reasons. At the start, Rangnick was reluctant to bench the captain, simple as that. I also think Maguire has been given so many chances because Rangnick hoped he would eventually get back to last years form. And then one big reason is injuries/health. Varane and Lindelof played 3 matches together, but then Lindelof got his heart problem followed by covid. I thought the pairing looked promising, and was definiy an upgrade on Maguire who made a lot of mistakes at that time.
I don’t think playing him every match no matter how poor he is has helped him. Would have been better to move him to the bench and then let him fight his way back like everybody else.
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And you’re saying Maguire isnt? Lindelof is better smarter and faster. I actually think Bailly could be a better optomion in a high press line. As he is fast and explosive.
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