[YSB99]

How he seems to be getting the nod ahead of a fully fit varane is a mystery in itself,

he’s a loser who’s achieved nothing in the game and has glaring deficiencies,

the look of his face at 3-0, completely beaten, imagine looking over at your captain and seeing that,

we’ll carry on persisting with him but which is one of the biggest problem at this club, Chelsea would have sold him 3 times at this point

 

[JB7]

Did you watch our other games under EtH. Our full back tuck in. Go watch the game again. In another replay angle, you can see Sancho was out wide in line for a pass. Then ask yourself who Maguire signaled to? Sancho or Dalot.

And there is no reason to push forward to narrow passing angle further. Martinez is completely unmarked to the left for an east switch over to Shaw.

Edit:

0:10 in the video for better view of the pitch.

Yeah I’ve seen all the games, the full backs move inside to create overloads when appropriate however it was clearly not appropriate at that stage. In that instance Dalot is the only player available for a simple pass who would not be pressed by the time the ball arrives at his feet which is why Maguire is telling him to move wide to take the pass. Martinez is not unmarked, by the time the ball arrives at him their striker would be on him. The video you’ve shown quite literally demonstrates those points although it conveniently cuts out the couple of seconds before where he was clearly telling Dalot to move.

 

[17Larsson]

Thought he was the least bad of the 4 main defenders but he doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

And that's part of his job as captain. To uphold standards in all the players. The worst captain United have ever had

 

[17Larsson]

There’s literally no one else to give the armband to, no one.
Ronaldo? He doesn’t want to be here
Bruno? He’s been absolutely woeful for eternity and is a moaner.
Varane? He can barely stay fit.
De Gea? He can’t command his box you expect him to command a team?
Rashford? Sancho? Dalot? Shaw? Fred? McTominay?
You look around and there’s literally no one worthy of being a captain here, may as well be Harry, he’s not very good but neither is anyone else, at least he’s always available and doesn’t want to feck off.

Maybe Martinez will do well and show the character and ability worthy of being named the captain of Manchester United, perhaps a new signing.

It's the opposite of what we had in 93. With this team you can't pick a captain out of any of them, in 93 you couldn't pick a player that wasn't captain material!
Schmeichel
Bruce
Keane
Ince
Giggs
Cantona
Hughes
Irwin
Pallister

 

[ti vu]

Yeah I’ve seen all the games, the full backs move inside to create overloads when appropriate however it was clearly not appropriate at that stage. In that instance Dalot is the only player available for a simple pass who would not be pressed by the time the ball arrives at his feet which is why Maguire is telling him to move wide to take the pass. Martinez is not unmarked, by the time the ball arrives at him their striker would be on him. The video you’ve shown quite literally demonstrates those points although it conveniently cuts out the couple of seconds before where he was clearly telling Dalot to move.

I would call you lying if you said you watch our games and argue the appropriation.

If Sancho or any rotated attacker in wide attacker doesn't keep the width, then Dalot would move wide. If Sancho does, Dalot would then tuck in like a side midfielder. Dalot would move inward as to pull opposition marker inside creating angle for the pass to Sancho. Same pattern with Timber, Marzouri, Antony for Ajax for those you watched them play last season.

It's automatism, a pattern of play. If Maguire doesn't feel like that options, he can easily just stay where he was and pass to Martinez then Shaw and build from that side. Here Maguire pushed forward for his own unknown reason cutting all his passing angle. Quite a few example of this pattern of play in this Maguire vs Palace video. Just pay attention to Dalot, Sancho when Maguire's on ball.

There is no pressure on Maguire at all when he received the pass. Dalot is one of multiple options. Martinez, Shaw have always been an option. Sancho for a medium range, too.

I posted 2 video link. I am well aware of the first video link with the hand signal in the first.

The second video with a wider view is taken from broadcaster's edit. No agenda poster having time to conveniently edit that the video that stupidly. It means to showcase Sancho was in staying wide mode, so Dalot logically followed the playbook and tuck in.

Edit:

Playing out of the back with CB as ball carrier pattern of play.

Mechanism behind it: when fullback stay wide, then attacker and midfielder tuck in. Vice versa, full back tuck in then attacker or midfielder stay wide.

Example:


Applied to both wings at the same time even in some occasions

Tucked-in players are not always supposed to be good passing option. They may just be decoy. The idea is to isolate opposition defender against our width provider.

Safety measurement: If you don't use width option, and all the tucked-in option is well marked; choose easy option like passing back to GK, or kick long as pointed out in post match by ETH & DDG himself regarding DDG mistake on second goal against Brentford.

 

[JB7]

I would call you lying if you said you watch our games and argue the appropriation.

If Sancho or any rotated attacker in wide attacker doesn't keep the width, then Dalot would move wide. If Sancho does, Dalot would then tuck in like a side midfielder. Dalot would move inward as to pull opposition marker inside creating angle for the pass to Sancho.

It's automatism, a pattern of play. If Maguire doesn't feel like that options, he can easily just stay where he was and pass to Martinez then Shaw and build from that side. Here Maguire pushed forward for his own unknown reason cutting all his passing angle. Quite a few example of this pattern of play in this Maguire vs Palace video. Just pay attention to Dalot, Sancho when Maguire's on ball.

There is no pressure on Maguire at all when he received the pass. Dalot is one of multiple options. Martinez, Shaw have always been an option. Sancho for a medium range, too.

I posted 2 video link. I am well aware of the first video link with the hand signal in the first.

The second video with a wider view is taken from broadcaster's edit. No agenda poster having time to conveniently edit that the video that stupidly. As I said, Maguire moved forward cutting his own passing angle. Stay where he received the pass from DDG, he had all the easy options.

Christs sake, Dalot isn’t an option, he’s stood directly behind the striker. Martinez is half an option, if the ball is played towards him the likelihood is by the time the ball reaches him the striker is on him too. Sancho is already marked and it’s a 50:50 ball if you play it to him. Which is why he looked for Dalot via Eriksen which unfortunately was obvious from space what we were trying to do and was easily picked off. Look there’s no defending Maguire at times but on this particular issue it’s easily solved by the full back pulling out wide to collect the simplest possible pass to beat the initial press.

 

[GifLord]

@GifLord Please can you gif that Maguire moment ?

 

[ti vu]

Christs sake, Dalot isn’t an option, he’s stood directly behind the striker. Martinez is half an option, if the ball is played towards him the likelihood is by the time the ball reaches him the striker is on him too. Sancho is already marked and it’s a 50:50 ball if you play it to him. Which is why he looked for Dalot via Eriksen which unfortunately was obvious from space what we were trying to do and was easily picked off. Look there’s no defending Maguire at times but on this particular issue it’s easily solved by the full back pulling out wide to collect the simplest possible pass to beat the initial press.

Agree to disagree then.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I am sure anyone can see that you can't understand this pattern of play.

Original position with all angle, even easy pass to Dalot stationed out width. Martinez is free too.


Position just before passing. By this time, Dalot tucked in, which 100% certainly Sancho is width provider, for anyone who study our previous games under ETH.


Bigger view with Sancho insight who played the role of width provider. Dalot is not supposed to be a passing option now. His job is to pull the player inside create enough angle to for Maguire to pass to Sancho. Maguire closed the passing option all by himself. Martinez, and Shaw option is still open. DDG always available. Why Eriksen?


How are you sure he signaling to Dalot, not Sancho? if it's for Dalot, what is the importance? The play book has Dalot to tuck in, and Sancho stay wide at that point. Not like it? then choose other option. Why it has to be Eriksen?

 

[mancan92]

No they wouldn't. Like De Gea yesterday? Ronaldo who didn't even want to acknowledge the fans? Sancho? Just nonsense.

Yes any of them. He is literally the worst captain the club has ever had. Anyone else is worth putting there over him.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Oh, it's fecking painful how slow he is on the ball. The thing is, that will go down as a completed pass as well. Another reason why merely posting passing statistics means feck all without the context. The man navigates the world in slow motion.

 

[lsd]

Did you watch our other games under EtH. Our full back tuck in. Go watch the game again. In another replay angle, you can see Sancho was out wide in line for a pass. Then ask yourself who Maguire signaled to? Sancho or Dalot.

And there is no reason to push forward to narrow passing angle further. Martinez is completely unmarked to the left for an east switch over to Shaw.

Edit:

0:10 in the video for better view of the pitch.

Never put a foot wrong apparently

 

[harms]

Maguire played RCB whole game, even when Varane came on (who played RCB at Real Madrid...)

No, Varane came on as an LCB but they’ve switched closer to the end of the game.

 

[Jaykespeare88]

How about looking at Dalot who goes and hides directly behind the Brentford striker despite Maguire quite clearly pointing for him to move wide to give him the passing option for a solid couple of seconds before Eriksen showed for the ball? It was patently obvious from the away end that Dalot was cowardly in that instance but with all the angles and replays available people still want to pin that on Maguire?

How far away was the brentford player? How much more time did he want to pick another option?

 

[JB7]

How far away was the brentford player? How much more time did he want to pick another option?

Nowhere have I said it’s good play but the fact of the matter is that Dalot is the free man, Dalot is too slow to initially move inside and by the time he does the pass is covered, Maguire then told him to move back wide for the simple pass and he hid behind the striker. You people can analyse as many ways as you want to try and make out that everything is always Maguires fault but the reality is that situation was caused by Dalot being a fecking coward.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Yeah, as much as I dislike Maguire as a player, and that clip above basically summarises why (he does it all the fecking time), Dalot does nothing to help him there. First of all, he shouldn't need Maguire to ask him to go wide in that scenario - he should be able to take the fecking initiative and do it by himself. Not just stand there gawking at him.

 

[Lyng]

Its so infuriating to watch. Dalot has acres of space. Eriksen even points towards Dalot, draws his own man with him, making it easy for anyone to lift it to Dalot, but Maguire does the ONE ting he is never supposed to do there. And this is how he costs us again and again. He lacks the football intelligence and awareness to play in any progressive side.
Ten Hag will never succeed with him.

 

[simmee]

Agree to disagree then.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I am sure anyone can see that you can't understand this pattern of play.

Original position with all angle, even easy pass to Dalot stationed out width. Martinez is free too.


Position just before passing. By this time, Dalot tucked in, which 100% certainly Sancho is width provider, for anyone who study our previous games under ETH.


Bigger view with Sancho insight who played the role of width provider. Dalot is not supposed to be a passing option now. His job is to pull the player inside create enough angle to for Maguire to pass to Sancho. Maguire closed the passing option all by himself. Martinez, and Shaw option is still open. DDG always available. Why Eriksen?


How are you sure he signaling to Dalot, not Sancho? if it's for Dalot, what is the importance? The play book has Dalot to tuck in, and Sancho stay wide at that point. Not like it? then choose other option. Why it has to be Eriksen?

Sancho would've had a much easier lay off to Dalot and Dalot would've received it in space facing the Brentford goal as well.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Any random footballer can make that pass - then even when it’s gone just go back to your keeper and restart if the risk is too high. Frustrating.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Its so infuriating to watch. Dalot has acres of space. Eriksen even points towards Dalot, draws his own man with him, making it easy for anyone to lift it to Dalot, but Maguire does the ONE ting he is never supposed to do there. And this is how he costs us again and again. He lacks the football intelligence and awareness to play in any progressive side.
Ten Hag will never succeed with him.

It's a common theme among our players; lack of intelligence. So many of them just don't have the ability to think quickly, and even worse some of them still can't make the right decision when presented with loads of time. Look at McTominay taking 7 touches outside Brighton's area, and then this example here. Rashford is another with no intelligence. It's impossible to improve these players to the standard required

 

[simmee]

Yeah, as much as I dislike Maguire as a player, and that clip above basically summarises why (he does it all the fecking time), Dalot does nothing to help him there. First of all, he shouldn't need Maguire to ask him to go wide in that scenario - he should be able to take the fecking initiative and do it by himself. Not just stand there gawking at him.

The fullbacks have been doing it all season. They go inside to open up for a pass to the winger. Or if the marker sticks with covering the space on the wing you can bypass the press through the middle. If Maguire is not comfortable making that pass he should not be on the pitch.

 

[Leftback99]

Its so infuriating to watch. Dalot has acres of space. Eriksen even points towards Dalot, draws his own man with him, making it easy for anyone to lift it to Dalot, but Maguire does the ONE ting he is never supposed to do there. And this is how he costs us again and again. He lacks the football intelligence and awareness to play in any progressive side.
Ten Hag will never succeed with him.

At no point is there ever an easy pass to Dalot. There should be if him or Sancho made any move of basic intelligence.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Hope ETH won't wait till 2025 when his contract runs out. Just 29 and getting slower with each passing year, not to mention his football brain glitching more than Cyberpunk 2077.

Yesterday he and De Gea secured a ticket out.

 

[harms]

Oh, it's fecking painful how slow he is on the ball. The thing is, that will go down as a completed pass as well. Another reason why merely posting passing statistics means feck all without the context. The man navigates the world in slow motion.

It's his trademark — how often did he make that pass to Fred or to De Gea only for them to miscontrol it under pressure. It's why ten Hag wants de Jong so much, he's one of the few players that can sort our build up issues with his superhuman ball-retention abilities.

 

[BusbyMalone]

The fullbacks have been doing it all season. They go inside to open up for a pass to the winger. Or if the marker sticks with covering the space on the wing you can bypass the press through the middle. If Maguire is not comfortable making that pass he should not be on the pitch.

Where was the winger in this scenario? Because he wasn't in the frame I'm watching. It's not a very wide angle, but still. If what you're saying is true, shouldn't the winger have come a little deeper into all that space that was vacated by Dalot?

 

[BusbyMalone]

It's his trademark — how often did he make that pass to Fred or to De Gea only for them to miscontrol it under pressure. It's why ten Hag wants de Jong so much, he's one of the few players that can sort our build up issues with his superhuman ball-retention abilities.

Well, it's one that he should stop doing, that's for sure. De Gea's distribution is garbage, but we could have Edison in goals and it wouldn't matter, because he'd look up and see Maguire standing there. He simply can't process information quickly enough.

 

[Lyng]

At no point is there ever an easy pass to Dalot. There should be if him or Sancho made any move of basic intelligence.

There is as soon as his market moves towards Maguire and Eriksen pulls the other one. Dalots movement is bad as well though, as usual.

 

[ti vu]

Sancho would've had a much easier lay off to Dalot and Dalot would've received it in space facing the Brentford goal as well.

Great idea. I didn't think that far ahead.

Where was the winger in this scenario? Because he wasn't in the frame I'm watching. It's not a very wide angle, but still. If what you're saying is true, shouldn't the winger have come a little deeper into all that space that was vacated by Dalot?

Note: this is angle just before Maguire made the pass. By then he had moved up the pitch and closed the passing angle to Sancho further.

When Dalot moved just infield, Maguire should have better angle from deeper position.

And even in this position, Maguire had safer options. However, he chose a risky option.

 

[El Jefe]

He's honestly a fecking clown, he holds the ball for ages and struts about with it like he's the second coming of Koeman and Beckenbauer only to play a slow pass behind his man. Happens everytime and is one of the reasons why we are poor at playing out from the back. You need to be quick and decisive, Maguire is the total opposite. Martinez is miles better than him on the ball but the attacks seem to start with Maguire.

Slow in thought and action.

 

[Leftback99]

There is as soon as his market moves towards Maguire and Eriksen pulls the other one. Dalots movement is bad as well though, as usual.

A very small window at best, which would have resulted in "why is Maguire playing a chipped pass to Dalot there?!" when he is quickly closed down for a tackle into touch.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Great idea. I didn't think that far ahead.





Note: this is angle just before Maguire made the pass. By then he had moved up the pitch and closed the passing angle to Sancho further.

When Dalot moved just infield, Maguire should have better angle from deeper position.

And even in this position, Maguire had safer options. However, he chose a risky option.

And presumably, Sancho stayed in that position and didn't make a run forward for a long ball? Because, yes, from that frame it looks like an obvious pass to Sancho. Or even a long ball to Shaw. The issue, as always with him, is that he simply can't process information fast enough. Therefore he cuts off all the angles and makes it doubly difficult for himself.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

This encapsulates his career tbh. Just horrific. I've never despised a player so much as I do him (not as a person, as a player).

Can the OP change his shit eating £200k PW grin off the top of this thread? Perhaps an imagine of him angry at yet another conceded freekick?

He is the elephant in the room. Said it last year, he needed to be sold ASAP. Alas the club are embarrassed at the financial loss and the social media fallout.

Said last year, just take the L. Move on. Ignore the noise. Admit your mistake, stop the rot. Trying to make this work is ruining the club.

This is his fourth season, should of been sold after season two tbh but here is, captain of United while unable to play a pass.

 

[lefty_jakobz]

His signing is everything thats wrong with this club.

Over payed for a mediocre player who we are unable to sell because we made him the most expensive defender in the World with weekly wages way above what his ability merits.

He should leave before his time here gets any more toxic.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

If this fraud starts against Liverpool then ETH is definitely not going to make it until the end of the season.

Not because we won't lost to Liverpool anyway, but it will show that he is undroppable, which is a disaster.

Maguire should be the 5th choice CB based on current form.

The pecking order should be;

1. Martinez
2. Varane
3. Lindelof
4. Bailly
5. Maguire

 

[ThanksBoss26]

It's the opposite of what we had in 93. With this team you can't pick a captain out of any of them, in 93 you couldn't pick a player that wasn't captain material!
Schmeichel
Bruce
Keane
Ince
Giggs
Cantona
Hughes
Irwin
Pallister

Loved that 93/94 team.

 

[Godfather]

Such a shit footballer

 

[Stobzilla]

Need to see if Leicester will bite on him for about £30-40mil if Fofana leaves. He gets to recover some form before the world cup and play in a system that suits him and we can all forget the last 3 years happened.

 

[saik]

Genuine question, why do people think that pass to Dalot was not on? He could easily chip the ball seeing he had so much time on the ball right ? Surely he can play it over the Brentford player to Dalot. Am I missing something?

 

[mu4c_20le]

Need to see if Leicester will bite on him for about £30-40mil if Fofana leaves. He gets to recover some form before the world cup and play in a system that suits him and we can all forget the last 3 years happened.

Or Newcastle

 

[Nicoseth]

Did he talk to the press after the game yesterday? I know De Gea did. Worst captain in United's history.

 

[Chief123]

Nowhere have I said it’s good play but the fact of the matter is that Dalot is the free man, Dalot is too slow to initially move inside and by the time he does the pass is covered, Maguire then told him to move back wide for the simple pass and he hid behind the striker. You people can analyse as many ways as you want to try and make out that everything is always Maguires fault but the reality is that situation was caused by Dalot being a fecking coward.

Regardless of Dalot, Maguire playing that pass when he can clearly see he’s under pressure is still a fault. The pass simply isn’t on. Especially not when both defenders have split out wide. Maguire can see the whole play in front of him and should see that.

No doubt the manager has given instructions to play out from the back. However, it doesn’t mean a player doesn’t use his brain to play the pass regardless of the scenario.

Dalot pass wasn’t on. But the correct pass in this situation was to go long or out wide to the wingers. Less risk. When the short pass is on, you play the system. If the pass isn’t on, you have to go for an alternative. Opponents aren’t going to let you play how you want all the time.