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He absolutely was. We’d sometimes concede a goal that was more on the keeper or another defender but it would always get twisted by people saying ‘lol Maguire’. Maybe not as much on here but other places online. He was a running joke on Reddit and Twitter for years.
"We’d sometimes concede a goal that was more on the keeper or another defender but it would always get twisted by people saying ‘lol Maguire’"

Yeah that probably happened, but that happens to loads of player at some point. Maguire's frequent feckups and poor performances earned him a reputation where some people probably weren't willing to give him much benefit of the doubt. Then he came out with some of the things he said and he just made it worse.

I won't harp on. He's doing well, he'd be my first choice at the back right now. Long may it continue.
 
There is some rewriting of history going on in here. The whole point of his resurgence is that it marks a complete turnaround compared to his performances prior. Most people were happy when Martinez was signed and displaced Harry, same with De Ligt, and that speaks to our CB options not being considered good enough for a top club. I'm very happy to him and he deserves credit for his resilience -- and yeah, some of the criticism went too far and was unreasonable, but then again it was mostly on Twitter and the like which are cesspools anyway -- but he looked a shadow of himself for at least two of his seasons here. There was also the Greece debacle and his cupping-ears celebration when he scored for England against Andorra or somesuch, which came across a bit tone-deaf. Anyway, well done Harry.
 
Don't rewrite history. He wasn't mocked for things that weren't his fault or "purely because people online felt they needed a meme player to joke about". He was very error prone and made a number of stupid comments in the media.

Having said that he has turned things around for himself by sorting his game out and putting in some good performances. That fact that people are willing to give credit where it's due is proof that there never was an agenda against him. People get pissed off with players when they play shite, and love them when they play well. Simple as that.

He absolutely was. We’d sometimes concede a goal that was more on the keeper or another defender but it would always get twisted by people saying ‘lol Maguire’. Maybe not as much on here but other places online. He was a running joke on Reddit and Twitter for years.

There is some rewriting of history going on in here. The whole point of his resurgence is that it marks a complete turnaround compared to his performances prior. Most people were happy when Martinez was signed and displaced Harry, same with De Ligt, and that speaks to our CB options not being considered good enough for a top club. I'm very happy to him and he deserves credit for his resilience -- and yeah, some of the criticism went too far and was unreasonable, but then again it was mostly on Twitter and the like which are cesspools anyway -- but he looked a shadow of himself for at least two of his seasons here. There was also the Greece debacle and his cupping-ears celebration when he scored for England against Andorra or somesuch, which came across a bit tone-deaf. Anyway, well done Harry.

It wasn't just online, it was in person too, he was booed by United fans on a number of pre season games in Australia and Ireland, he was even booed at Old Trafford once or twice in 2022, or maybe more so, ironic cheering when he did something good or when he was subbed. He was also booed as an England player on a number of occasions.

Absolute credit to him for not letting it get to him, putting his head down and earning the respect of the fans back. Top lad, top professional.
 
Yeah, lovely to see him back to his best. It's a salutary lesson on the ruinous effect a total lack of confidence can have on a player's form. Rasmys did well last night, let's hope he has the character to rebound to the extent that Harry has.
 
It wasn't just online, it was in person too, he was booed by United fans on a number of pre season games in Australia and Ireland, he was even booed at Old Trafford once or twice in 2022, or maybe more so, ironic cheering when he did something good or when he was subbed. He was also booed as an England player on a number of occasions.

Absolute credit to him for not letting it get to him, putting his head down and earning the respect of the fans back. Top lad, top professional.

That's why I said "mostly online". You get idiots booing at every match but it's a very small minority, I feel.
 
The criticism Maguire received in the past was completely disproportionate to the level of his performance, but more appropriately aligned to the size of his transfer fee. The problem is, the player can't control what the club paid for him. Given his fee, people expected a combination of Ferdinand and Maldini...at least in order to justify paying so much. But anyone who had watched him play previously knew that the fee was completely out of whack for the quality of the player. What we were getting was a very competent centre-back with a decent capability to play out from the back. If he'd cost 40m his time here would be looked at quite differently, because for various spells he has been very good. He's also had spells when he was below the standard required, but he's very rarely been outright terrible. What is notable about him is that he has been the subject of quite a lot of derision from United and England fans, often despite performing quite well, and he has almost always acted professionally, gotten his head down and worked hard to turn his fortunes around. He has shown a great work ethic and a lot of mental resilience to survive at the club. I think he remains a valuable squad player, who I never mind seeing in the starting XI, because 8/10 he gives a solid performance, and occasionally an absolutely exceptional one. He has always been, and continues to be, quite good on the ball. An often undervalued part of his game. He is generally an all around better defensive option than Martinez, who is generally lauded by fans due to his balls to the wall style and exceptional progressive passing, but who has a number of glaring defensive deficiencies, and a shocking fitness record.

My expectations for Maguire are appropriate to his level of ability, rather than his transfer fee. I expect solid defensive positioning, performance and leadership, and competent progression of the ball. I see him as a mature and consistent performer who can generally be relied upon to give a 7/10 game in, game out.
 
The criticism Maguire received in the past was completely disproportionate to the level of his performance, but more appropriately aligned to the size of his transfer fee. The problem is, the player can't control what the club paid for him. Given his fee, people expected a combination of Ferdinand and Maldini...at least in order to justify paying so much. But anyone who had watched him play previously knew that the fee was completely out of whack for the quality of the player. What we were getting was a very competent centre-back with a decent capability to play out from the back. If he'd cost 40m his time here would be looked at quite differently, because for various spells he has been very good. He's also had spells when he was below the standard required, but he's very rarely been outright terrible. What is notable about him is that he has been the subject of quite a lot of derision from United and England fans, often despite performing quite well, and he has almost always acted professionally, gotten his head down and worked hard to turn his fortunes around. He has shown a great work ethic and a lot of mental resilience to survive at the club. I think he remains a valuable squad player, who I never mind seeing in the starting XI, because 8/10 he gives a solid performance, and occasionally an absolutely exceptional one. He has always been, and continues to be, quite good on the ball. An often undervalued part of his game. He is generally an all around better defensive option than Martinez, who is generally lauded by fans due to his balls to the wall style and exceptional progressive passing, but who has a number of glaring defensive deficiencies, and a shocking fitness record.

My expectations for Maguire are appropriate to his level of ability, rather than his transfer fee. I expect solid defensive positioning, performance and leadership, and competent progression of the ball. I see him as a mature and consistent performer who can generally be relied upon to give a 7/10 game in, game out.

I'm all for credit where it's due, particularly after Maguire went through such a difficult period, but this feels like the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. He hasn't always been good on the ball. He's been good at times, and he's also been bad at times. He's certainly seems comfortable on the ball (occasionally too comfortable and got himself into trouble in the past), but we all know that his slow ponderous style hasn't really helped us play out from the back.
 
I'm all for credit where it's due, particularly after Maguire went through such a difficult period, but this feels like the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. He hasn't always been good on the ball. He's been good at times, and he's also been bad at times. He's certainly seems comfortable on the ball (occasionally too comfortable and got himself into trouble in the past), but we all know that his slow ponderous style hasn't really helped us play out from the back.
That's just patently inaccurate though. Going back as far as the 19/20 season Maguire managed the following benchmarks in relation to his contribution on the ball:

- 2nd most touches (behind VVD) of all central defenders in the premier league.
- Most completed progressive runs of any central defender in the league (105)
- Most progressive carrying distance of any central defender in the league (8,408 yards)
- 97 out of 99 rating from Smarterscout in Dribble Style Ratings "moving the ball by advancing it uncontested at least 10% of the length of the field or by taking on a player"
- Ranked 2nd amongst all central defenders in the PL for total passes, and 3rd in accurate long balls.
- Ranked 1st amongst all central defenders in key passes, with a total of 17.
- When Maguire was in the team average possession was 56.2%, without him that number dropped to 54.5%

So in 2019/20 he was close to, if not the, best central defender in the league with the ball at his feet according to several key metrics. Only outperformed in one or two categories by VVD. I can't be bothered to dig up all the data for the other years, but this is going back 5-6 years to the start of his time with us. So yes, for us, he has always been good on the ball since the beginning. He's gone through dips in form, as I said, but so has the team. And his ability to build play out from the back has never been a part of the problem. Slow and ponderous is actually the very opposite of what the data tells us.
 
That's just patently inaccurate though. Going back as far as the 19/20 season Maguire managed the following benchmarks in relation to his contribution on the ball:

- 2nd most touches (behind VVD) of all central defenders in the premier league.
- Most completed progressive runs of any central defender in the league (105)
- Most progressive carrying distance of any central defender in the league (8,408 yards)
- 97 out of 99 rating from Smarterscout in Dribble Style Ratings "moving the ball by advancing it uncontested at least 10% of the length of the field or by taking on a player"
- Ranked 2nd amongst all central defenders in the PL for total passes, and 3rd in accurate long balls.
- Ranked 1st amongst all central defenders in key passes, with a total of 17.
- When Maguire was in the team average possession was 56.2%, without him that number dropped to 54.5%

So in 2019/20 he was close to, if not the, best central defender in the league with the ball at his feet according to several key metrics. Only outperformed in one or two categories by VVD. I can't be bothered to dig up all the data for the other years, but this is going back 5-6 years to the start of his time with us. So yes, for us, he has always been good on the ball since the beginning. He's gone through dips in form, as I said, but so has the team. And his ability to build play out from the back has never been a part of the problem. Slow and ponderous is actually the very opposite of what the data tells us.
I think it just shows how much the general opinion is influenced by twitter memes and our ridiculous YouTube 'fan' accounts. He was never anywhere near as bad they tried to make out.
 
That's just patently inaccurate though. Going back as far as the 19/20 season Maguire managed the following benchmarks in relation to his contribution on the ball:

- 2nd most touches (behind VVD) of all central defenders in the premier league.
- Most completed progressive runs of any central defender in the league (105)
- Most progressive carrying distance of any central defender in the league (8,408 yards)
- 97 out of 99 rating from Smarterscout in Dribble Style Ratings "moving the ball by advancing it uncontested at least 10% of the length of the field or by taking on a player"
- Ranked 2nd amongst all central defenders in the PL for total passes, and 3rd in accurate long balls.
- Ranked 1st amongst all central defenders in key passes, with a total of 17.
- When Maguire was in the team average possession was 56.2%, without him that number dropped to 54.5%

So in 2019/20 he was close to, if not the, best central defender in the league with the ball at his feet according to several key metrics. Only outperformed in one or two categories by VVD. I can't be bothered to dig up all the data for the other years, but this is going back 5-6 years to the start of his time with us. So yes, for us, he has always been good on the ball since the beginning. He's gone through dips in form, as I said, but so has the team. And his ability to build play out from the back has never been a part of the problem. Slow and ponderous is actually the very opposite of what the data tells us.

Going back to his time at Hull he stood out due to his distribution and ball carrying abilities.
Was also the reason he broke into the England team.
 
Revisionist history to pretend HM didn’t underperform for years. Good first season then underperformed A LOT. The goal was to build a title winning side. He’s hardly shown title winning form in his time at the club (one off performances, cup runs and the odd 4 game streak do not count).

He also cost so much that it impacted our ability to build a title winning defense. We needed a better 1A to accommodate Harry’s deficiencies as a 1B. Never happened.

AND

The criticism was over the top but that’s the nature of football discourse lately. Over the top is the new starting point.
 
I think it just shows how much the general opinion is influenced by twitter memes and our ridiculous YouTube 'fan' accounts. He was never anywhere near as bad they tried to make out.

I called it exactly what is was, mass cyber bullying. I really thought it was fecking horrific.
Always worse for United players too. Same happened with Antony.
 
That's just patently inaccurate though. Going back as far as the 19/20 season Maguire managed the following benchmarks in relation to his contribution on the ball:

- 2nd most touches (behind VVD) of all central defenders in the premier league.
- Most completed progressive runs of any central defender in the league (105)
- Most progressive carrying distance of any central defender in the league (8,408 yards)
- 97 out of 99 rating from Smarterscout in Dribble Style Ratings "moving the ball by advancing it uncontested at least 10% of the length of the field or by taking on a player"
- Ranked 2nd amongst all central defenders in the PL for total passes, and 3rd in accurate long balls.
- Ranked 1st amongst all central defenders in key passes, with a total of 17.
- When Maguire was in the team average possession was 56.2%, without him that number dropped to 54.5%

So in 2019/20 he was close to, if not the, best central defender in the league with the ball at his feet according to several key metrics. Only outperformed in one or two categories by VVD. I can't be bothered to dig up all the data for the other years, but this is going back 5-6 years to the start of his time with us. So yes, for us, he has always been good on the ball since the beginning. He's gone through dips in form, as I said, but so has the team. And his ability to build play out from the back has never been a part of the problem. Slow and ponderous is actually the very opposite of what the data tells us.
His ability on the ball has always been massively overrated. He would run around with the ball at the back a bit so what. I can’t tell you how many times I just about broke into hives watching him take five minutes to decide to make a five yard pass. Slowed our play down to a crawl. Good on the ball was he feck. Also had a terrible habit of aimlessly meandering up the pitch and then being caught out of position when he or someone else inevitably gave the ball away in a more advanced position. But hey he chalked up another “advanced the ball a tenth of the pitch uncontested” stat. Christ on a bike some of these stats are laughable. And that’s not even addressing his limitations playing a high line. I’m as happy as anyone to see him having a resurgence in this new system. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was murder to watch for years. My eyes bled. And I’d be much happier if we weren’t playing such a defensive formation and other players like Mainoo were flourishing instead.
 
He copped a fair bit of criticism (much of it deserved but a bit ott) the last couple of years. However, he has come back really strongly and that’s a massive testament to his mental fortitude. If we had more players like him who are ready to work hard and come back stronger, I bet we would be in a far more comfortable situation. I cannot believe I ever thought Lindelof was better than him.

Well done Harry, now score a bicycle kick in the final to top it up ;)
 
Who has claimed he didn’t underperform?
Many say now that he wasn’t that bad in the first place and the depth of his downfall was widely exaggerated. But he was really putting in career-ending (his own) performances week in week out for months to an extent that you rarely see a professional player do for a simple reason that they’d usually get benched if they hit the same patch of form.
 
That's just patently inaccurate though. Going back as far as the 19/20 season Maguire managed the following benchmarks in relation to his contribution on the ball:

- 2nd most touches (behind VVD) of all central defenders in the premier league.
- Most completed progressive runs of any central defender in the league (105)
- Most progressive carrying distance of any central defender in the league (8,408 yards)
- 97 out of 99 rating from Smarterscout in Dribble Style Ratings "moving the ball by advancing it uncontested at least 10% of the length of the field or by taking on a player"

- Ranked 2nd amongst all central defenders in the PL for total passes, and 3rd in accurate long balls.
- Ranked 1st amongst all central defenders in key passes, with a total of 17.
- When Maguire was in the team average possession was 56.2%, without him that number dropped to 54.5%

So in 2019/20 he was close to, if not the, best central defender in the league with the ball at his feet according to several key metrics. Only outperformed in one or two categories by VVD. I can't be bothered to dig up all the data for the other years, but this is going back 5-6 years to the start of his time with us. So yes, for us, he has always been good on the ball since the beginning. He's gone through dips in form, as I said, but so has the team. And his ability to build play out from the back has never been a part of the problem. Slow and ponderous is actually the very opposite of what the data tells us.
The first 4 points can also be used to make the point that many have stated which is he often held the ball way to long, pushing up the pitch but only making things more congested in the middle.

If he was ranked 1st for defenders in key passes then fine, I'll give him that, but to be honest I don't know what to make of these kind of stats.
56.2% with him versus 54.4% without him, is that worth mentioning? There was bound to be some difference.

Just for the hell of it here's some other Maguire stats from that 20/21 PL season I found after a quick search:

With Maguire
Goals per game: 1.84
Goals against per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.78
Win rate: 52.8%
Loss rate: 31.0%

Without Maguire
Goals per game: 1.41
Goals against per game: 0.86
Points per game: 1.79
Win rate: 48.3%
Loss rate: 17.2%

So somehow we scored more with him, but also conceded more with him.
And we won more games with him, but technically ended up with fewer points on average with him.
And we just generally won and lost more with him.

What does any of this really tell us?
 
The first 4 points can also be used to make the point that many have stated which is he often held the ball way to long, pushing up the pitch but only making things more congested in the middle.

If he was ranked 1st for defenders in key passes then fine, I'll give him that, but to be honest I don't know what to make of these kind of stats.
56.2% with him versus 54.4% without him, is that worth mentioning? There was bound to be some difference.

Just for the hell of it here's some other Maguire stats from that 20/21 PL season I found after a quick search:

With Maguire
Goals per game: 1.84
Goals against per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.78
Win rate: 52.8%
Loss rate: 31.0%

Without Maguire
Goals per game: 1.41
Goals against per game: 0.86
Points per game: 1.79
Win rate: 48.3%
Loss rate: 17.2%

So somehow we scored more with him, but also conceded more with him.
And we won more games with him, but technically ended up with fewer points on average with him.
And we just generally won and lost more with him.

What does any of this really tell us?
Fleeting moments of brilliance mixed in with recurring moments of disaster all mixed up in a big bowel of sheer mediocrity.
 
Just for the hell of it here's some other Maguire stats from that 20/21 PL season I found after a quick search:

With Maguire
Goals per game: 1.84
Goals against per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.78
Win rate: 52.8%
Loss rate: 31.0%

Without Maguire
Goals per game: 1.41
Goals against per game: 0.86
Points per game: 1.79
Win rate: 48.3%
Loss rate:



What does any of this really tell us?

Absolutely feck all unless you tell us how many games we played with him, and how many games without.

Edit: hang on, 2020/2021 you say?

I just checked that season, he played 34 games, all season basically but missed the final 4 games (as welll as the EL final obviously).
In those 4 games we fell to pieces, losing 1-2 at home to Leicester, 2-4 at home to Liverpool, 1-1 at home to Fulham, and won 2-1 at Wolves.
Then we lost the final too of course.

So our win percentage in the PL without Maguire was 25% and we conceded 8 in 4 games which is a pretty easy bit of math to understand we didn’t concede fecking 0.86 gpg.
Our ppg without him was a laughable 0.75.

What shite nonsensical stats are you coming with?
 
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No-one ever.

Absolutely shite footballer, expert at pretending to defend.
Go back and say that during those seasons and very few people would agree with you. Not so much on how you rate Lindelof (although you are going a bit overboard), but pretty much everyone agreed that Maguire was worse than him in those two seasons.
 
Lindelof was comfortably better than him in both those seasons (21/22 and 22/23). Indeed they only started together in 21 of the 76 PL games over those two seasons, so blaming Lindelof for Maguire's shit form is a bit ridiculous. If anything I'd say it was his combination with De Gea that looked the shakiest, as there were numerous times that the two of them made things difficult for each other or were on different wavelengths.

Lindelof has been very poor these last two seasons, but he was decent enough in the few seasons before that (for a squad player level, not a starter).

Nar, I’ve always been with @golden_blunder on Lindelöf even during those seasons, he’s always been a rotten defender.
 
Lindelof has never been close to as good as Maguire, not even in his wildest dreams.

Maguire is closer to the best centre backs than Lindelof is to Maguire.
 
Brentford 4:3 Man Utd New
They are both shite
Except you’re talking shite.

Maguire wouldn’t get in versus Rio or Vidic….but neither would the rest of our team. Considering our repeated ambition, which is top 4 with maybe a cup, he’s plenty good enough
 
Except you’re talking shite.

Maguire wouldn’t get in versus Rio or Vidic….but neither would the rest of our team. Considering our repeated ambition, which is top 4 with maybe a cup, he’s plenty good enough
The past 3/4 season have shown he is not good enough
 
His ability on the ball has always been massively overrated. He would run around with the ball at the back a bit so what. I can’t tell you how many times I just about broke into hives watching him take five minutes to decide to make a five yard pass. Slowed our play down to a crawl. Good on the ball was he feck. Also had a terrible habit of aimlessly meandering up the pitch and then being caught out of position when he or someone else inevitably gave the ball away in a more advanced position. But hey he chalked up another “advanced the ball a tenth of the pitch uncontested” stat. Christ on a bike some of these stats are laughable. And that’s not even addressing his limitations playing a high line. I’m as happy as anyone to see him having a resurgence in this new system. But that doesn’t change the fact that he was murder to watch for years. My eyes bled. And I’d be much happier if we weren’t playing such a defensive formation and other players like Mainoo were flourishing instead.
I prefer to deal in facts, not hysteria. There was nothing factual you said, just a subjective set of opinions derived from the infamous “eye test”. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but I’ll make mention of the fact that I didn’t address half the points you raised. I didn’t say he was brilliant or that he always performed well, quite the opposite; and I certainly made no mention of his other defensive attributes or suitability to different systems. I merely addressed a comment made about his “slow ponderous approach” hindering us in build up, which was patently incorrect and easy to disprove. Which I did. To reference those as meaningless stats and categorise his contribution as “running around a bit at the back”, flies in the face of the available evidence and is either driven by ignorance or a wilful effort to ignore the evidence to push a personal narrative.
 
The first 4 points can also be used to make the point that many have stated which is he often held the ball way to long, pushing up the pitch but only making things more congested in the middle.

If he was ranked 1st for defenders in key passes then fine, I'll give him that, but to be honest I don't know what to make of these kind of stats.
56.2% with him versus 54.4% without him, is that worth mentioning? There was bound to be some difference.

Just for the hell of it here's some other Maguire stats from that 20/21 PL season I found after a quick search:

With Maguire
Goals per game: 1.84
Goals against per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.78
Win rate: 52.8%
Loss rate: 31.0%

Without Maguire
Goals per game: 1.41
Goals against per game: 0.86
Points per game: 1.79
Win rate: 48.3%
Loss rate: 17.2%

So somehow we scored more with him, but also conceded more with him.
And we won more games with him, but technically ended up with fewer points on average with him.
And we just generally won and lost more with him.

What does any of this really tell us?
Not much because of the respective sample sizes. The first sets of PL stats is based on 34 games, the second set on just 4 games. With such a massive difference between the sample sizes, the data is a barely relevant benchmark for comparison.
 
Man Utd 4:1 Athletic Club New
Really do not want him near the first 11 next season.
 
Not quite sure what he was attempting for their goal. Seemed to have everything under control before the error
 
Shocking mistake for the goal and that is why we can't go into next season with him as a first choice CB (as much as I love what he has done lately)