Seems utterly bizarre to me that we're still trying to negotiate with Leicester for him. Just move onto our second target because he is clearly not worth the amount of money that Leicester are demanding. All we're doing is wasting time in the transfer market for a player who's club has significantly over valued.
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Maybe they are not still negotiating with Leicester
we haven't overvalued him we have set a price designed to keep the player
There's way too much paper talk, surely someone would have mentioned we've walked away by now?
Or maybe the deal is done. Since there is also paper talk of Leicester negotiating his replacement
The media are desperate for this transfer to happen so they can label Maguire as he most expensive defender ever then either build him up as the best in the world or tare him to shreds, its what they do with England internationals remember.
The want Leicester, Wolves etc to challenge the top 6 but at the same time want all our best players sold
not from anyone reliable there isn't
If we only offer 30m (lower than market value) and keep unsettling the player, now that’s what I called bullying. But when they asking for double for 90m, and we offer the highest bid out of all for around 70m, that is what I called pure greed or taking a piss.
Why? Because they won’t bend over and give you your shiny new toy.
Plus VVD kicked up a massive fuss if I recall correctly. Maguire's being a lot more respectful.
Leicester don’t have to sell from a financial point of view but from a players perspective it doesn’t make sense to demand a very high fee that may price him out of a move. It may impact players signing or them in the future.
If Maguire was bought for £60-70m I would think we had seriously overpaid but I’d understand that Leicester didn’t want to sell and therefore demanded a high fee and more than his market value.
To expect upwards of £80m however just seems unnecessary. Leicester’s ambition is great but let’s be honest we are not even on the same planet in terms of club size and prestige. Maguire wants to sign for us and that’s understandable due to our history, wealth and stature.
Surely a common ground could be found in a timely manner to allow Maguire and his replacement at Leicester to get ready for the new season. That would suit both clubs.
If Maguire was bought for £60-70m I would think we had seriously overpaid but I’d understand that Leicester didn’t want to sell and therefore demanded a high fee and more than his market value.
To expect upwards of £80m however just seems unnecessary. Leicester’s ambition is great but let’s be honest we are not even on the same planet in terms of club size and prestige. Maguire wants to sign for us and that’s understandable due to our history, wealth and stature.
Surely a common ground could be found in a timely manner to allow Maguire and his replacement at Leicester to get ready for the new season. That would suit both clubs.
Yes.
Surely if you didn't want to sell, and were setting a price designed to keep the player, then it wouldn't be a mere five to ten million above the alleged bid from United? To me it seems they are quite happy to sell him but are trying to squeeze and extra few million out of the deal.
No he’s absolutely the best player we could get for that position. Not sure why so many seem to not get this. He’ll be awesome for us when we get him.
Disagree strongly. Very, very strongly.
If Maguire is that desperate to go he should hand in a formal transfer request, but he won't because he doesn't want to lose the loyalty bonus and people talk about Leicester being greedy
if it was a mere £5-10m then it would be easy for United to pay it, the point of setting a high fee is to make it difficult for United, or anyone to be willing or able to pay it
Maguire is a quality defender. We wouldn’t be signing him otherwise.
Seconded. I think he'll do relatively well got us and all that, but I also think in a year or two, our fans will be angry and other fans will take the piss that we spent this sort of money on Maguire, when we could have had one of other CBs we've been linked with, for much smaller fees.
Disagree. Remember Evans outperformed him last season in Leicester.
Just like we signed Jones, and Bailly, and Smalling, and Rojo, cause they're quality defenders? Like, we obviously don't get things wrong and if the scouts/whoever at the club says the defender is quality then they definitely will be.
Every single one of them was a ‘potential’ signing at the time. Everyone doubting this will be back with their tails between their legs by Christmas.
Actually you are wrong, Jones and Smalling were young prospects, Bailly had one season of La liga. Maguire has had more and has had England international caps. He is a seasoned premier league CB.
Oh well then that's ok. As long as they're potential I guess we can forgive the club for four out of our last defender's being shite signings.
To clarfiy - I'm not saying Maguire won't be good for us, but the club offering big money doesn't automatically mean he's really good, especially when it's our club, who have been diabolical at transfers for the last decade.
I'm not wrong. They're defenders the club signed that weren't good enough. Just cause Maguire isn't "potential" doesn't mean he's good enough for us based on the club paying big money for him. That's silly logic.
In your analogy it's more like the loaf is pristine right now, no one is willing to buy it except for 1 customer, who is offering 90% of the price you want, which you doubled over the last 2 years.
You can keep the loaf, but at some point it's going to lose value, and there's only 1 person looking to buy it.
You can of course just eat it yourself.
This is a different kind of signing. Pep wanted him as well and probably still would if the price wasn’t so crazy. He’s a quality player who’ll instantly improve us immediately with little doubt considering his experience in the PL. We can’t afford punts at the back right now.
Is it time for us to start a petition to "Free Maguire". Isn't he just a hostage now like Ronaldo was? Poor fella.....
Point remains the same Rodgers is complaining about something his club are very much part of the problem of
If Leicester sell us Maguire for 45m you may be able to go and get someone like Dunk for 15m
(not entirely serious)
Can anyone find a clip of Maguire's red card vs Burnley in March? I can't find it anywhere on Youtube but I remember watching Match of the Day at the time and thinking that's a prime example of why we shouldn't be signing him for a world record fee. Maguire is error-prone (albeit not as error-prone as Jones & Bailly) and is worryingly slow. When he makes a mistake he doesn't have the pace to recover from it.
Pep wanted Sanchez too. He also signed John Stones for £50m. Hardly a flying endorsement of his quality is it?
Jones has been injury prone, that is something you cant forecast.
I didnt say he is good based on money, If you read, I said Maguire is a seasoned PL CB who is England's first choice CB. And the reason I say he is good enough for us is he gets in the England team ahead of Jones, and smalling who are first team at Manutd. So yes, he is good enough for us compared to the current CB's.
So you tell me, who is good enough for Manutd that will be cheaper than say £60m?
For those moaning about our valuation, that will include a loyalty payment we would have to make to maguire as there has been no transfer request.
If maguire is so desperate to leave he can push a transfer request, forfeit his loyalty bonus and that would likely be taken off the valuation. Its a big reason why valuations often go down following a request.
If maguire is so desperate to leave he can push a transfer request, forfeit his loyalty bonus and that would likely be taken off the valuation. Its a big reason why valuations often go down following a request.
Is that really what we want to settle for in a CB, though? Like.. he's better than what we have, when what we have is pure shite, and he will cost a world record fee? It's hardly a big endorsement of him, is it?
Why do they have to be less than £60m when Maguire is likely to cost £80m?
it's also not my job it identify these players, it's our vast array of scouts, who have seemingly decided that (maybe) the best defender outside of the top six, for a world-record fee, is our best choice. Well done lads, top scoutin'.We aren't paid scouts, most of us only catch a few games outside of EPL and CL. It's just very hard to believe there aren't much better options for cheaper on the continent, given I don't rate Maguire particularly highly.
I don't think he's our 1st target either, reckon Koulibaly and de Ligt were both above him.
I disagree with you stronglier. Very, very stronglier. Harry is a damn good CB with strong leadership qualities which is exactly what this rudderless club needs right now. Is he the best CB in the world, of course not, but he's definitely in the top tier of CBs that are available and interested in joining United. We could try to buy some unproven CB for 50 million, but then everyone would be bitching about paying 50 mil for a prospect.
Is that really what we want to settle for in a CB, though? Like.. he's better than what we have, when what we have is pure shite, and he will cost a world record fee? It's hardly a big endorsement of him, is it?
Why do they have to be less than £60m when Maguire is likely to cost £80m?
If it is not your job and it is the scout to chose, then let them do their job? if they think he is worth £80m then so be it. You cannot have an opinion to say he is over priced and then say it is not my job.
Oh I'm not allowed have an opinion, on a football forum, which is meant for .. opinions?
I shouldn't doubt our scouts despite them fecking up about 80% of the transfers we've made this decade?
I'll just go back into the corner and agree with everything the club do, then.
There well may be, but we have seen with Lindelof, Bailly that Cb take time to adapt in the premier league. And this is not just us, City with Mangala (who is being let go on a free), and to some extent Laporte took a while to settle.
Now, if you want to take a risk on a potential CB at say £50m and takes a year to settle and we dont get CL, is there a point?
We know Maguire can hack the prem. I don't think he is the best, but he fits the profile Ole wants.
You like him then?
I'll send my Mrs round , might give me some peace, then again she's an ugly fecker.
On a serious note re Brendan, BR pure laziness btw. I'd rather judge him on what he does for the team, playing style and results, early signs look good yet time will tell.
It will be interesting to see how both our managers/teams fare next season, it will be very telling where both teams are in their respective rebuilding.
Obviously you have the advantage of being such a massive and wealthy club but don't dismiss us though!
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Problem there is, you have the settling in issue. Look at Lindelof, he looked much better last season but he's still a lot of improving to do. Rojo and Bailly, still don't look right when they play. Maguire is way overpriced, no doubt about it, but he comes in and there really shouldn't be any settling in issues. He's comfortable on the ball, good in the air, he already knows and has played with some of our team. Plus he will command and organise that backline, considering we have youngish full backs, that's a big plus. Bringing in someone from outside, to expect than to command and lead from the get go when they are trying to settle themselves and may not even speak the lingo is a big ask.
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