There's still chance Martial and Dan James will come as success, but it's a fair point to make as time passed by, especially when we still don't have someone like DoF who could filter more through scout recommendations.Rather look at it as a Giggs's recommendation - Whilst I'm a fan of Martial - using Giggs as some sort of scout we listen by is bullshit.
I dont know why we ask him about a player in the first place, never mind spend nearly 100ml on his recommendations and his approvals.
It was still going apparently after Giggs had advised us to buy a Welsh defender called joe Rodon from Swansea city.There's still chance Martial and Dan James will come as success, but it's a fair point to make as time passed by, especially when we still don't have someone like DoF who could filter more through scout recommendations.
Hopefully Ole will deliver his own vision as his experience will grow while being our manager, that's pretty much all we can rely on for now.
That's true and honestly can't see Rodon or any other deal for defender happening anytime soon, unless we'll make serious clearout in defense which is taking forever. For now It will be extremely hard to find space even for Tuanzebe. Perhaps somebody someday will instill quality over quantity idea in defense and I doubt it's going to be Giggs with his views, otherwise we'll be signing half of the Welsh international team, even though they have very decent talents.It was still going apparently after Giggs had advised us to buy a Welsh defender called joe Rodon from Swansea city.
Apparently we've started to look a bit more at player data than we previously did & I think Woodward had meant this when he had said that there was a change in the way we were determining which types of players were actually suited to play for us.That's true and honestly can't see Rodon or any other deal for defender happening anytime soon, unless we'll make serious clearout in defense which is taking forever. For now It will be extremely hard to find space even for Tuanzebe. Perhaps somebody someday will instill quality over quantity idea in defense and I doubt it's going to be Giggs with his views, otherwise we'll be signing half of the Welsh international team, even though they have very decent talents.
Solskjaer definitely going somewhere with signing Bruno and having Sancho in mind, so perhaps his route is the right one despite suggestions from others... and it probably happens all the time. Won't be surprised if he's still in contact with SAF or someona like that over bigger deals.
To be fair, Martial as a name sounded also good minus the price, but still being AS Monaco's finest talent just like Mejbri not so long ago, but when Tony came he almost immediately outshined Chicharito, Memphis, Falcao and Di Maria in matter of games. That move was by far the best thing from LvG. We could play the most boring shite and Martial was still looking exciting and unfazed by a dead football style. He got us through that dark era with some hope in talents like him while Di Maria was under the bed hiding from Jamie Carragher burgling his house.Apparently we've started to look a bit more at player data than we previously did & I think Woodward had meant this when he had said that there was a change in the way we were determining which types of players were actually suited to play for us.
I was jealous at the way that Leicester City were getting player after player on consistent quality and quantity - seeing them do it through player data as an important factor whilst we were kind of just gambling and seeing out who does well at times.
Bruno Fernandes had great stats at sporting lisbon, you could argue AWB should have had some world class defensive stats even at crystal palace as well - hopefully it continues and these players we are linked to have some good data. The names generally sound good.
You do realise these are the games Ighalo was brought in for? Not the big PL games because we did well in those games anyway.Ighalo is heavily overrated playing in a system that changed when Rashford got injured. Let's see him when Rashford comes back and see who does better and also against the big teams - not these little Europa league teams but the big PL teams that Martial seems to be consistent against.
This is exactly what I do not understand. The seasons when a manager has given him the trust, he has shown he can deliver.He's had two seasons under a manager who trusts him and plays him (at least part-time) in the centre-forward role, and in both he hit or was on course to hit 20 goals within a pretty dysfunctional attack. The criticism here, it seems like mot people think he's a flop and a strong minoity want to sell him, is baffling.
And I agree with that. We need different alternatives as strikers - since I see Martial as a support striker/false 9 and Ighalo as a poacher striker.You do realise these are the games Ighalo was brought in for? Not the big PL games because we did well in those games anyway.
Ighalo is not over rated because no one actually thinks he should lead the line for us, he is a different alternative when we need to change things. Simple as that.
Fair enough, looks like I misunderstood you.And I agree with that. We need different alternatives as strikers - since I see Martial as a support striker/false 9 and Ighalo as a poacher striker.
People who say martial isnt good enough and want to go get another poacher striker are just shooting themselves in the foot - why not have a great false 9 player and a great poacher in the squad than 2 types of the same striker?
Yeah I can't imagine Martial as the no.9 in champions league winning teams like Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Juve etc. But the same could be said for Firmino before Klopp.The concept of a long term player can only apply if the player can do well week in week out. Otherwise, if there is a striker getting 30, 40, or 50 goals in the market, the club should be all over it.
Martial is not ruthless enough. He doesn't want to score badly enough. He is a fine option to have, but he isn't going to lead us to Champions League glory, which should be the aim.
Firmino works really hard. Martial has a Benzema-like attitude that smells like lack of ambition.Yeah I can't imagine Martial as the no.9 in champions league winning teams like Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, Juve etc. But the same could be said for Firmino before Klopp.
My point was Firmino before Klopp even with all his hardwork will be on the bench for any top European teamFirmino works really hard. Martial has a Benzema-like attitude that smells like lack of ambition.
Most worldclass strikers don't have threads on their football forums asking whether they're good enough
Espn need good pundits like Higginbotham instead of those other clown that watch MLS and shit on our players consistently.
He even insinuates that throughout his United career he has had 2-3 chances per game but with bruno and more creativitity we should see 5-6 chances per game which increases his consistency. Most worldclass strikers at other cubs always have 7-8 chances per game. Context always matters.
You don't take everyone opinions seriously either. You take opinion that has some sense on it and his point about Martial does make some sense. To be fair though, his point isn't rocket science. If team can create more chances then it'll make forwards to have more chances to score more goals and Martial is known with his clinical finish when he has the chance on goal.Danny Higginbotham thought Sanchez was going to be a success at United and was unsure about Aubamayang going to Arsenal. I wouldn't take his opinions on strikers too seriously.
That was hardly an outlandish take at the time, to be fair.Danny Higginbotham thought Sanchez was going to be a success at United and was unsure about Aubamayang going to Arsenal. I wouldn't take his opinions on strikers too seriously.
Good post. The bolded part is my issue with Martial. I've seen posts that say he's hold up play is a strong quality of his while another says his hold up play is shit. It's because Martial is inconsistent even during matches. I'll give him another season and use this one to focus on more pressing positions.It's hard to tell for long term. At this moment He looks more good than bad at the role. But Martial is one of those players you never really know about. A little bit like Nani. Even in one game, He can go missing for 10 minutes and do something incredible. He can make a lot of mistakes in one half and scores a magnificent goal in the second. No evidence to back him up as a long term striker. Especially with Haaland around, who's even younger and more reliable in scoring goals. Should always keep an eye on him, that lad still has 10-12 years of career ahead of him.
Agree with this. Inconsistency is the problem, and that is fine as he was young and not a regular, but now that he has been given the responsibility he needs to up his own game and improve his consistency. For now, I will keep him, but next season we should be seeing even better from him hopefully if he wants to cement that position as his.Good post. The bolded part is my issue with Martial. I've seen posts that say he's hold up play is a strong quality of his while another says his hold up play is shit. It's because Martial is inconsistent even during matches. I'll give him another season and use this one to focus on more pressing positions.
He's been his most consistent this season, I expect that to continue with more creativity injected into the midfield.Agree with this. Inconsistency is the problem, and that is fine as he was young and not a regular, but now that he has been given the responsibility he needs to up his own game and improve his consistency. For now, I will keep him, but next season we should be seeing even better from him hopefully if he wants to cement that position as his.
Theres threads on this forum saying that Firmino is shit and kante is overrated.Most worldclass strikers don't have threads on their football forums asking whether they're good enough
You just described someone who's been given five years and two positions.United fans in a nutshell:
When he plays on the LW after LVG left: "FFS, play him upfront! Clueless!"
When he finally plays upfront for almost a year: "Not good enough, sell him."
Give him time.
Probably, but it's understandable given Firmino and Kante isn't exactly our players.Theres threads on this forum saying that Firmino is shit and kante is overrated.
Ultimately a large group of fan's understanding of football will always be questionable and that includes mine and yours.
Right, but when was the first time he got the mantle as the first choice striker?You just described someone who's been given five years and two positions.
That's fair enough, but I think it's a bit unfair to paint fans as impatient when they've had 5 years of watching him. Him moving to striker position is supposed to get him to realise his potential and push us forward, not buy him more time.Right, but when was the first time he got the mantle as the first choice striker?
He's new to this role, whether he will become a success or not, he needs more time.
