Has Ole given up on next season already?

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    MUFC OK Full Member

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    Theres a common theme when a new manager takes the hotseat at OT. It starts off with boundless enthusiasm and the sort of things we want to hear about being the biggest club in the world, having great players etc. Then when the manager gets to see the squad in training, we get a few bad results etc, they see the size of the task at hand.

    Ole to me looks tired and downtrodden already. Apart from these players obviously not being good enough, it is clear that conversations with Woodward and the board reveal the scale of the problem here. For whatever reason, they arent willing to fully 'back' any manager that walks in the door here. I think Oles latest comments, which are increasingly conservative indicate that his hands are indeed tied.

    I fully expect the token DoF role to be given to Darren Fletcher which will be the latest abomination in trying to build a sustainable model for success in terms of player recruitment. I personally think that the board are aiming for a top 4 challenge again next season, and therefore dont expect wholesale changed in terms of personnel. Ole appears to have realised this already.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Again with these stupid comparisons.

    Klopp won 2 BL titles on the trot and played CL final with Dortmund. What has Ole achieved to be included in this conversation?
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Guarantee better results? What results is Ole guaranteeing based on what you saw in the last couple of months?

    If you are asking which manager would probably get better results than Ole - probably pretty much every manager out there in the top leagues.

    So far his experience is two stints at Molde - with the latter one having won nothing and relegating Cardiff. Yet some of our fans continue to compare him with Pep and Klopp. Plainly ridiculous.

    Also btw Molde are currently sitting in first position and they have made their best start in the league since 2014 (yes including Ole second spell there).
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    Please forgive me for saying this,.despite Ole being the sincerest person to this club and despite half of our team needing replacement, but Ole looks out of his depth handling things, during interviews etc. He is David Moyes 2.0
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    Have to love our fanbase at times, who in there right mind would think this squad is capable of challenging for the league next year needs their head testing.

    Ole is being realistic, he knows there is a major overhaul ahead (similar to when Pep first arrived at City and got rid of 12+ players), he was ruthless and it sounds like Ole is hoping to do the same.

    Everyone knows we are nowhere near reaching the consistency required to win the league, which is now close to 100 points.

    Not sure about anyone else but this time next year if we have a young energetic side, who are scoring a shed load more goals than this year, with a back 4 who have had a season playing together and are looking comfortable, with top 4 done maybe a cup win, with a few of the kids integrated into the squad/side. I would be a very happy man!

    Title push will be 2/3 years away in my opinion, which as long as we sort out shite out, I'm happy with.
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    Can you let me know what Pep/Luis Enrique/Zidane had won in their managerial careers before they were given the chance at Barcelona and Real Madrid respectively?

    The man has not even had one transfer window and you're jumping all over him. What I will do though is get on the phone to Ole, Phelean, Carrick and the others and let them know to pack it in, because Enigma from the Red Cafe isn't sold haha do me a favour.

    Wanting rid when a manager has not even had one fecking transfer window, behave soft lad.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Can you let me know how far Henry, Gary Neville, Keane, Giggs and thousands of others who tried management went? For one Pep there are THOUSANDS of others who fail, yet we choose the 5 that succeeded to top level as an example and to make our case? :lol:

    Ole was brought in as a caretaker. Not permanent manager and didn't have the resume for a permanent manager. Ed, along with the board, who make mistake after mistake employed him permanently jumping the gun. So far the same board you saw how far they took us.

    I'm not a sheep that would be content with the same crap we saw in the last 6 years, just to be a "top red". Each to his own.
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    No you're just the sort of top red who wants a guy binned before he has had a chance to buy a player, thats not being a "top red" or whatever you want to call it thats just being a bit of a melt tbh.

    So what we should do then, is go for Moyes (proven track record, wait that never worked), how about we go for LVG (nope that never worked either, sake), ah we will go after Mourinho, that will work no doubt about it (wait a second, that didn't work either).

    We will get on the blower to Enigma, he will know what to do, lets go after ANOTHER proven top European heavyweight and if he does not turn it all around within 6 months, bin him off, and try again. That has worked a treat for the last 6 years so yeah, we will go with that hey mate, or we could give a guy a chance who lives and breaths the club (we haven't been down this road yet, unlike what you say above, just to clarify you "Top Red").

    Actually just posted this in another thread, think it is pretty relevant.

    You can't appoint a manger who when he came in as caretaker was 11 points behind 4th, he got us so close to it we are fuming that we missed out, we turned around a 0-2 deficit against PSG when we had absolute no right to, finally won some massive away games at Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and a good point against Liverpool when everything went against us.

    It has leveled out and some of the individual performances have been nothing short of woeful, he has tried 4/5 different systems to see what suits what players, he has now learn't a huge amount about his players, he knows who he wants to stay and who he wants rid off, he has said he wants young hungry energetic quick players, wants them to be fit, to hassle, to press.

    He wants to overhaul the squad and before he even has a chance to do any of that, you want to sack him before he has the opportunity to buy a player, bring in another manager who will spend another 6 months giving these players a chance.

    Do me a favour, get behind Ole ffs, if this time next year he falls flat on his face then fair enough but give the fecking guy a chance, some miserable feckers on here really are.
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    Has Ole started to use the managers car parking space yet:confused:
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Let's appoint the tea lady next, but not bin it before she has 2 transfer windows eh? Why stop there, don't do any research like Ed usually does, just go with an old mate and flush some money down the road, sooner or later it will work no? As long as we support him? :lol:

    You are having a laugh. Moyes proven track record? LVG was at his best 1-2 decades ago. Jose was our best appointment so far - guess what he was the one with the best resume.

    No, bring Gary Neville after Ole? Or why not Ruud van Nistelrooy. Same credentials, seems like they are decent chaps. This is what it takes to be United manager it seems. Why go with resumes and be like City, Liverpool, Bayern? Overrated.

    It actually is.

    The bolded part - yup what's the worse it could happen. Another year without top 4. Another manager in, another rebuild, another hundreds of millions spent, another deadwood brought in because it won't suit the next manager. But what the hell at least we gave the nice lad a chance, right?
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    Fergie's choice (knows a hell of a lot more than you, did Moyes not have a proven track record with his 9+ years at Everton? I would say so, or is it one of them where he didn't win a trophy so his record does not count???)

    Tea Lady? To be fair I forgot we appointed Ole in December on a permanent basis, was he not caretaker and given the job after an absolutely ridiculous run, which included that win in PSG, which I would imagine (you being a "Top Red" an all) that you were going absolutely mental over.

    I wasn't expecting him to get the job in December, and certainly wasn't wanting him to but feck me he deserves a crack at it, so get off his back and rather than being a little keyboard warrior on here, get behind the manager, just a thought.

    Had LVG not just led Holland to the World Cup semi final the summer before he arrived?????? The same achievement that the English media want Southgate bloody knighted for, but yeah he had not done anything for a decade or two.

    Bayern? Kovac, forgot he has this huge mental resume, where did he come from, Frankfurt? But yeah they looked at his resume and were impressed with all that success hahahaha.

    You might want think before you reply, maybe not make yourself look like such a melt as it is fecking hilarious not gonna lie.

    Moyes no track record
    Kovac
    LVG done nothing in 10 years (bar a World Cup semi final)

    Safe to say our resident "Top Red" has had a bit of a nightmare
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    No it doesn't count. Look far back whether his resume was welcomed for a club like United. I guess you liked him as United manager? That went well.

    Yup. Ole implemented some brilliant tactics for couple of days and weeks he was our caretaker. It's all down on him, not some purple patch after change of manager, which almost every club have after they sack the previous one?

    But since he established himself and actually implemented some change of tactics it's not down on him and he shouldn't be at fault as it's the players. The same players that got him the job right? So during the run - players are shite, Ole's the man. But since things went sour - players are still shit, but Ole is still the man. :lol:

    Reading comprehension fail - I said LvG was at his best 1-2 decades ago. At his best ;)

    Bayern Munich - let's see who was their best recent managers - Heynckes, Ancelotti, Pep, Hitzfeld - complete nobodies.
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    I seriously don't get everyone jumping on Ole's back here. I for one think UTD jumped the gun on the appointment when they should have appointed a DOF first before announcing a new manager at the end of the season but it is what it is. Yes we can probably criticise some of his decisions but these players clearly downed tools a long time ago, the same players that downed tools under JM and the same players that downed tools under LVG. Even Pep wouldn't get anything out of this bunch.

    You have a 3 out of the 4 defenders, Young, Smalling and Jones that are not good enough for a top 10 club (Young is probably not even good enough for PL) and there starts your problems, no wonder we conceded 54 goals, that's not Ole's fault!! Matic, Mata both too slow, Sanchez just turning up for the money, Lukaku cannot trap a beach ball and it's totally embarrassing that a £90m striker cannot control a football, Martial just turns up when he feels like it - none of this is down to Ole!!

    As Gary Neville stated there's problems throughout the club and it's got to start with things off the pitch, until we get the foundations right you can forget about UTD heading in the right direction
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    But there is a comparison in the situations, and history has shown us that when things are a bit rotten at the club, even with a relatively successful manager it can take time to sort things out.

    We have 2 choices, throw as much shit at the wall and hope something sticks, and change manager and playstyle again in a year when it hasnt worked.

    Or we can back our manager to have at least a fecking transfer window, get rid of some rot at the club and bring in some players who want to play for the shirt.

    Or we fall more in danger of becoming Liverpool of the last 30 years, banging on about the 'good old days' forever, and eventually writing poems about melts like Rafa Benitez
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    I'm confused, which is our current manager? Because his style is different from Mourinho's and has feck all credentials to manage the club and most likely will be replaced soon after poor results.
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    Nope, had zero interest in Moyes when he was appointed, my opinion is he is a miserable tw*t who should not have gotten the job. What I won't deny is he done a phenomenal job at Everton which how they were when he arrived there. Howe the same at Bournemouth, superb, Poch at Spurs (hopefully until the 1 June), all not won a thing but have all done superb jobs).

    I would say the tactics away at Spurs, away at Chelsea were pretty spot on to be fair, everyone pretty much new this squad was average at best, his tactics won us a hell of a lot of games that almost got us top 4, so yeah do think he deserves credit. No doubting there was a purple patch, can't see me ever denying that? We have more deadwood now than I can ever remember, think a man who has gotten every ounce out of a pretty shocking group, deserves the chance to rebuild, you think otherwise, ha knock yourself out.

    Would say that is one of his best achievements and the Dutch during his time in charge were class, would say he was at his best during that time, personally.

    Ah good to see you're changing you tune on Munich, so you mean historically over the last 20 odd years, glad you cleared that up as Kovac is pretty much a nobody so following them would be against everything your moaning about now.

    And trust me, this comes back to bite you in the arse, oh it will not be forgotten, hope you don't go all fickle and start loving a bit of Ole, that will not be happening, defo shown your true colours today lad.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    His tactics ended up getting 6. Which Jose was sacked for. It also knocked us out by Wolves and also won us nothing at the end.

    So it's a shocking group that got him the job, but he's flawless one during the worst run since 30 years ago? Have a word with yourself, facetious at best.

    I haven't changed my tune are you for real? Have I said anything about Kovac? You used him as an example, clearly I meant the other managers they have employed. For every Zidane there is one Solari and it happens to all clubs, but when Solari starts to underperform they sack him on the spot and no one at Madrid cries about it.

    Oh, trust me I haven't changed my tune since I've registered here you can go on and check. I'd gladly be proven wrong, but I hope you do stick around when next season comes and will show your true colors then ;)
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    Jose was sacked because the club was absolutely toxic after the Liverpool game at Anfield, the worst it has been since the late 80s, that's why he was sacked not because he parked the bus in big games, get it right.

    So you're pinpointing games he got his tactics wrong yet refuse to give him any credit when he got them absolutely spot on? Agenda? Think so.

    Every manager gets it wrong at some point, Poch v Ajax first leg, Pep against Monaco away last year, Spurs away this year, you dive all over our manager for one or two and are oblivious to the others? Why am I not shocked Top Red.

    Ha here you go making up stuff I am apparently said, love to see where I said Ole was flawless, you are good at copying and pasting my quotes so I look forward to this one..................

    I believe, correct me if I am mistaken but I very much doubt it, I said he DESERVES a chance to be manager, DESERVES to have a summer to try and sort this shit out and have a crack with his own players and a full pre season, absolutely nothing about him being flawless, you seem to be trying to make an argument where I have said he is some kind of managerial god, I'm assuming you are just trying to make stuff up to try and make your little argument come across not as flawed, good effort, but no.

    80% of these players are absolutely shocking and the fact that Ole somehow went on that run is madness, it was always going to level out as we are a mile behind the top boys, no even close to them at the minute and to hammer a manager who hasn't had a window, ha unreal.

    Will he get it right, will he fail, christ knows he may well fail and maybe you will get your wish and we finish worse than this year, then again maybe he will go for it, have a style that is enjoyable, play with pace and pressure and try to bring some excitement back to the fans, you wanna hate him for doing it, poor you, actually feel sorry for you.

    Won't be long before he is sacked and the next proved manager can come in paying mental fees for 28+ players here for the wedge, long live that way of running the club, have loved it so far!

    Funny that you only mentioned the last 20 years of Munich recruiting their managers after I pulled you up on Kovac.

    Oh I will be here, don't you go missing petal
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    @StrettyEnder07 I give up replying to the last nonsense especially reading on Kovac, who apparently I've used as an example despite, literally spelling you the names of Bayern managers I had in mind..

    Your business strategy is throwing shit against the wall and hope one sticks that is clear. Wonder if you do the same in your personal life when someone presents you the bill.

    If Ole fails you will just shrug off and say what's the big deal then?

    your quote 4-5 months ago:



    As I said, have a word with yourself. You seem to have short memory there lad?

    Or have I put that in your mouth as well?

    "We have a very strong squad" only when it suits your "top red" agenda am I right?
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    You're kind of ignoring what I've said though. My post is in relation to the fact that, actually, when you analyse the data. Ole's first season (or half season) he's picked up more points than Klopp did in his first season who has over 4 seasons turned Liverpool into an excellent team. Now, you can never guarantee that means anything but I feel the fans clamouring for Ole to be sacked are doing so without really thinking it through. It's the mindset of Problem = sack manager, problem persists = sack next manager, problem persists = sack next manager.

    Einstein: '...insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result'

    The issues at our club are not to do with the manager - we've had some huge managerial names come in who have had domestic league success literally everywhere they have been, only to hit the brick wall that is United. For what it's worth I have plenty of doubts about Ole, mainly because he seems so obsessed with the past I'm scared he'll never stop mentioning his goal at the Nou camp (we get it, you played in a great team) and he criminally overrates youth players, however what he does seem to want is dedication, work rate and hunger - things we should take for granted but sadly aren't present in many of our current team. I view him as a caretaker manager still, someone who seems genuinely angry at the shabby attitudes around the training ground and someone who will, at the very least, be able to energise this old titan of a football club with some younger, exciting players.

    Do I think he will lead up to the PL title, no. Do I think he can improve us from our current state, yes.
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    I'm currently in denial about this. But it is looking more apparent.
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    It always will be 2/3 years away with this CEO and these owners. It has been for the last 6 years.
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    I'm against sacking Ole, but is it really that miraculous to challenge a season later? Liverpool were 25 points off City last season! A couple astute signings, with a good game plan/system going forwards and look what ended up happening. Klopp actually plays the United way, blood, thunder and guts for 90 mins with rapid wide players that constantly beat their man! Thanks for the Adult Disneyland pitch Ed, your best work yet :nervous:.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Klopp needed 3 years to get to get to a challenge. If we keep Ole and he's sacked next year probably means we would have a squad and manager able to mount a challenge in about 3-4 years time. Assuming we don't appoint Keane or Neville next and everything clicks.
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    His credentials were shown during that run where we went on a ridiculous unbeaten run and knocked PSG out of the CL with a squad that was, and still is, a little bit shit. I guarantee that even you wanted him as manager permanently back then, despite you knowing for a fact that he is out of his depth

    We played some great football in that run, attacked when we could, dominated a few games, and played classic SAF counter attacking against big teams (Chelsea where we played the diamond in midfield, Arsenal where the Emirates became the Dancefloor).

    But all thats gone now isnt it. Because despite signing no one, its all Ole's fault the squad is shit and the club is a shambles.
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    People here didn't like the idea of us setting back and countering in big games to start with under the previous manager.

    Anyway I think the main problem is more of our midfield being crap at retaining possession than us choosing to park the bus, but no offense and I don't mean you, it's hypocritical to not like our defensive style in big games under Mourinho then be fine with it now. For me yeah I think the problem was elsewhere and in our midfield but I'm talking about posters who kept talking about us being defensive against any big opposition here previously.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    If we look at it in a balanced view there were obviously positives, but there are obviously negatives and he's still out of his depth.

    The negatives that I saw and keep seeing in our play day in and day out are much bigger than the positives during our winning run in. To me, after sense of time, our run in was more due to the players (despite everybody seems to deny it) and not so to tactics or the manager. The players got a bit confidence back, but when it came to tactics and actually had some pressure piling in and having chance for top four everything broke apart and I've seen nothing from Ole so far that he's capable of bouncing back from bad string of results.

    And no, buying players won't fix that.

    Even if that string of successful results was well deserved and he should have got a contract, the successive results were enough indication to put an end of it. Just like Real did with Solari.
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    Good part was due to players but the bad part is on the manager, despite those players missing sitters and good chances/committing Individual errors vs Wolves (2)/Chelsea/Arsenal/Huddersfield/Cardiff. Not saying the manager is blameless but how does that work out?
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    I wouldn’t say given up. No more than the Everton manager would be seen to be giving up if he ruled out a title challenge. He’s right when he says that’s where we are.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    The timing.

    If things were reversed and Ole ended the season on a high note I doubt anyone here would not back him and you can find excuses in initial string of poor results.

    However since the high note came at the beginning I don't believe its down to tactics training regimes straight away rather than having no toxic atmosphere in the dressing room, no expectations, players off pressure.

    When actual tactics came into place and we had chance to get to top 4 we failed miserably, his subs and bench decisions didn't help and his overall rotation choice of formation getting the team on winning track didn't help either.

    We also had a very good run in terms of fixtures during the winning run. The only top team we faced and beat was Spurs who battered us and could easily ended up the other way if it wasn't for De Gea(I understand you can blame him later for the bad run).
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    We did go on a run of 14 games not 3/4 at the start so not sure how anyone can say it was only till the winning run where it was the players but after that it was the manager. How does that even make sense? Unbeaten run of 14 games or so is down to the players but the loosing run is on the manager despite those same players Fecking up in our important games (not including city/Barca, as we aren't good enough to beat them regardless of manager). Spurs played really well for the last 25 mins but its not like they just smashed us the entire game, we could have been 2/3 up with pogba/Rashford missing easy chances before their onslaught in the last 25 mins.

    What tactics do you use or what use are they when your players miss easy chances vs Arsenal and give them 2 crappy goals, 3 sitters vs Wolves and Defenders f up, De gea vs Chelsea, and our feck ups in the last 2 games with easy chances being missed and Individual errors costing us goals. Unless you're telling me there are tactics (which pep or klopp use) for players to not miss piss easy chances or make individual errors near our goal. Not saying Ole is some tactical genius but tactics are useless if your players can't even finish easy chance or your defenders/keeper give away goals. Not sure how any manager can get back to a winning run when your players feck up so often, as we've seen under jose as well.

    We've had continues injuries since the PSG games so i am not sure how any manager can have a settled team when most of your players are out collectively or one at a time. When we did have no injuries we did go on a run with a settled team with good results/decent performances.

    That bold part doesn't help your argument of blaming the manager for the bad run, as the players had pressure/Expectations as well or doesn't that count?
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Obviously it's both manager and players in both cases and not black and white. But seriously during the winning run do you believe it's more down to tactics rather than confidence and players actually giving a feck rather than disrupting the atmosphere?

    So Ole immediately hit the ground running, implemented his own training regimes, tactics, yet when he actually settled and did all those - the results turned sour due to the players? Makes no sense.

    Would it be possible that we had a purple patch after Jose was sacked and we put a string of results against opposition that we actually should be beating with the team we got? I mean do you consider this side of the argument?
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    And if it all comes back to bite you on the arse? Will you come back here, hold your hands up, and admit you got it wrong?

    I for one will be absolutely astonished if Ole ends up making a success of this.
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    If the run was 5/6 games sure I'll go with your opinion but its 14 games or so, surely the manager had a say in that and we did play different to jose, unless you think the players designed our play (which was similar to the way Molde played under Ole)? If yes then whats the point of a manager?

    As i said during my previous reply to you, Our players did feck up in our important games (listed them), Whether that's due to Ole settling down and starting to show his lack of managerial knowledge which automatically resulted in our players missing sitters and giving goals away through individual mistakes or Just our players missing easy chances as they did with Jose (not sure Jose is a manager who i would consider as inept). That's for you to decide. IMO No tactics can work if your players miss easy chances and make errors near your goal, Doesn't matter if you're pep/jose/klopp or ole.

    Of course we played and defeated Sides we should be beating when Ole came in, which was no surprise but we did also get really good results (based on our squad) vs Chelsea away/Arsenal away/pool (with injuries)/PSG/Spurs during that run (Surely some tactics were used to get results vs these good teams). So it wasn't like we played shit teams every week and even during our bad run, we simply haven't taken the chances we've created and to add insult to injury we've given away easy goals through individual mistakes.

    As I said in my first post to you, Ole isn't blameless but your argument of crediting our players during that winning run and blaming the manager during that bad run is not accurate Specially since they're the ones who have fecked up so,so many times which they didn't during our run (they also fecked up under jose). Blame and credit has to go both ways, was same with Jose.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    I don't think so.

    Or, rather, I don't think what happened was that they simply ran free, enjoying life after Jose, with little or no actual input from Ole - and then, when he began implementing his own brand of football, everything fell apart (because he's clueless).

    There are too many factors which don't jibe with that take on it.

    Ole has stated himself that at a point he abandoned the initial model. I don't think he's lying about that. We went from a 4-3-3 variation with high intensity to something that looked much like a Mourinho setup. That hardly indicates that Ole began showing his true colours - unless we are to believe that he's full of shit, and actually intends to follow a cautious (reactive, negative) blueprint as the standard, in spite of stating explicitly that we should aim to put teams to the sword.

    I keep saying this, but here it goes again: blame him for his choices, i.e. for abandoning what looked like a more progressive style, by all means. In hindsight, it didn't work at all. But don't conclude that he intends to set up in the same way next season. There are good reasons to think that what we saw at the beginning is much more in line with what he's actually aiming for.

    Anyway, I won't be banging on about this anymore. We just have to wait and see what he does when pre-season starts. We should see clear signs straight away with regard to what style/system he intends to drill 'em in.
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    The problem is very obvious, the club is booming in bringing in cash and crap at football. And Ole is not anywhere near the wheel, Ed feckin Woodward is still at the wheel. Do not expect anything good. He will be more interested in signing a left sock sponsor than a decent player. He makes my blood boil when I see him at matches pretending to care.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    First - :lol::lol:
    Second - You should read that entire sentence (Sense the tone, Sheldon) and read the post of the person I was replying to.
    Third - Calm down, I know he went Counter attack after we started picking up muscle injuries and I've seen the way he intends to play (watched Molde when he joined).
    Fourth - I didn't conclude anything.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    Er, I think you misunderstood.

    I basically agree with what you said, just expanding on it.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    As I've said it isn't black and white. Sure he deserves credit for the unbeaten run, but also he deserves the blame for the bad run. It was a great run, but then he also had the worst run of any manager in the last 30 years including Moyes. If you balance it out we finished 6, were eliminated in all cups, and played the same dross at the end we did before Jose was sacked.

    Given his credentials and the end result - do you believe he's the right man for the job, all things considered?

    It wasn't just individual mistakes. We didn't look compact, we didn't look organized, we looked clueless in attack. Rewatch our games (or highlights) tactically we were very naive and we really shown no plan B when things didn't go our way. He couldn't bounce back from defeats, we lost points to relegated sides back to back when we were in contention for the 4th spot. Look at his late subs, odd subs, lack of center backs on the bench and bunch of midfielders. His selections were questionable all over. He was trying all sorts of things that didn't work, and somehow he's expected to pull some rabbit out of the hat in the Summer and start of new season?

    I hear some want stability, based on what we've seen these 5-6 months, do you even know his preferred formation and tactics at United?

    You can't have it both ways mate. Any other day vs Spurs we would end up beaten and that run would've never happened. Any other day Burnley wouldn't feck up 2 goals lead at OT. VAR wouldn't call that peno in the box, or they would've converted one or two chances they had. Lukaku would've missed that 88th minute winner against Soton.

    So we did have some good results, but tactically there was a good chance that run wouldn't happen and would've ended up either against Spurs or Burnley.

    Agreed with that.

    At the end of the day his record and what he achieved was... well average. Didn't get us in top 4, eliminated in all cups, has feck all credentials at top level, so exactly why are we giving this guy a chance? Because he's nice? Because he played for us? Or due to 14 games of good and 15 of bad results?

    This is Solari record at Real:

    Real Madrid 30 October 2018 11 March 2019 32 22 2 8 71 37 +34 68.75

    Ole's:

    Manchester United (caretaker) 19 December 2018 28 March 2019 19 14 2 3 73.7
    Manchester United 28 March 2019 Present 10 2 2 6 20.0

    Solari had 6 more wins, 1 loss less(albeit played 2 games more).

    One got the sack, the other three year contract.
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    John Blund Full Member

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    And Real is just a bit better team. We are more in the range of where Liverpool was when Klopp took over. And Solskjaer still has better point collection than Klopp did his first season.