I didn't see any posts talking about her manipulating or using him, maybe I missed that, but the second bit seems to be the case yeah.So judging on that post the woman manipulated and used the guy, but the guy couldn't leave it alone though.
I didn't see any posts talking about her manipulating or using him, maybe I missed that, but the second bit seems to be the case yeah.So judging on that post the woman manipulated and used the guy, but the guy couldn't leave it alone though.
This post.I didn't see any posts talking about her manipulating or using him, maybe I missed that, but the second bit seems to be the case yeah.
Because I was involved in supporting him through the process. I saw the messages, liaised with his solicitors etc, and attended court. She was a cnut. Fully functioning adult who dated a guy with learning disabilities, manipulated him, milked him for money and a place to live. He couldn't understand that he had been used.
The magistrate pretty much said as much, and criticised the CPS, but said his hands were tied as the letter of the law said X (two or more unwanted contacts = harassment).
This was just after their was some new legislation about domestic violence, which also meant she didn't even need to press charges or attend as a witness. She literally sent one email to the police and then said she didn't want to press charges, but the police ran with it. Basically, the police had this new power and wanted to use it first chance they got. I have no doubt in my mind they were motivated/encouraged by policies/brieifings/campaigns to "protect women", and convinced themselves they were being heroes.
Which kind of exemplifies why I'm against increased state power. Its not a left vs right thing. Everyone knows the stereotypes about police officers, they are grunts, the modern day front line mercenaries sent into battle, they have egos, they like enforcing the little bit of power the have. Giving them more power, just because it's under the guise of clamping down on something you don't like, just isn't a good idea. It also distracts from other police work they should be doing. Mix that in with the capitalist-efficiency based obsession with targets that has crept into the public sector and you have a deadly mix. My friend is a criminal solicitor and says close to 50% of interviews she attends are harassment related. Yet police officers often don't even attend burglaries anymore. It's a quick and easy crime for them to up their statistics and hit their targets.
Oh right I hadn't seen that, I didn't think he had gone into details beyond saying "She was a cnut for additional reasons but that wasnt really the original point" in the post on this page.This post.
He lived in accommodation with drop in support from social care services, who I worked for, so I knew exactly how their relationship was. I can't go into too much detail, so you'll have to take my word for it. It was manipulative and exploitative in one direction only. In brief, they met when he was about 19 (mental age considerably less) and she was 17, and her and her friends befriended him so he would buy them alcohol. They mocked him and abused his willingness to have some friends. Years later (mid 20s) she was down on her luck, he had social care funded accommodation, so she reconnected and used him for accommodation (she didn't legally live there, she wasn't allowed to, which was a whole other issue).You yourself said she decided to not press charges didn’t you?
You have no idea how he acted towards her when they lived together. Do you really think enough is done to stop harassment and stalking?
I can pretty categorically state that someone who takes advantage of a mentally disabled person for their own gain is fair game to be labelled a cnut, 100% of the time.She told the guy to stop contacting her. He continued to do so. She informed the police, but didn’t want to press charges. Coupled with the last paragraph about the police having too much power when it comes to harassment (which is a very peculiar take, especially when one looks at the statistics )and that they should have less power to deal with people being harassed (often woman).
so no, I’m not going to call someone a cnut for reporting harassment.
You're so close to realizing the historical power dynamic between the genders, in addition to the general physical difference which might lead a woman to being more likely to "go crying to the police" over the supposed actions of their ex.Needless to say, if a poster tells a similar story from their own experiences and calls a bloke in it a cnut, nobody bats an eye.
Pfft, just imagine how things would look if the Caf wasn't a woke far-left commie forum.Wow this place really has become a depraved shit hole. Let's just leave this blatant misogyny up shall we, very on brand.
You're virtue signalling just as hard as anyone else here.It's incredible how people can literally turn any situation into an opportunity for virtue signalling. We have a social worker explaining how someone emotionally manipulated and took advantage of a mentally disabled person, only to then call the police on him once she was done using him(what a surprise that he couldn't understand that she didn't want to be with him after that?), and 'misogny' is what you extract from it. Does a woman have to murder someone for it to be ok to criticise her?
Mate, you've just waded in and decided who's in the right based on absolutely nothing but the demographics of the people in the situation.You're so close to realizing the historical power dynamic between the genders, in addition to the general physical difference which might lead a woman to being more likely to "go crying to the police" over the supposed actions of their ex.
I didn't decide anything. He told an anecdote which I wasn't involved in, so how could I possibly do that? All I did was ask some questions, and then comment on his choice of phrasing.Mate, you've just waded in and decided who's in the right based on absolutely nothing but the demographics of the people in the situation.
Being smug and condescending to the posters pointing out that that's bollocks doesn't make you right.
Pretty interesting that 'woman' still beats 'learning disability' in oppression/privilege top trumps, mind. Hard to keep score sometimes.
How so? I've read multiple posts detailing a story, and come to what I see to be a fair assessment, that this individual woman is not a very nice person. If you don't like the word cnut in general, fair enough, but otherwise I don't see an issue with calling her that, in this case.You're virtue signalling just as hard as anyone else here.
Who's being misogynistic?Wow this place really has become a depraved shit hole. Let's just leave this blatant misogyny up shall we, very on brand.
- Posters who repeatedly frame a woman within a story of reported harassment as cnuts: A woman who apparently merely sent an email and didn't want to press charges against a former partner.Who's being misogynistic?
Did you just completely ignore the other aspect of the story, that she took advantage of a man with learning disabilities?- Posters who repeatedly frame a woman within a story of reported harassment as cnuts: A woman who apparently merely sent an email and didn't want to press charges against a former partner.
- Posters who cling to the story and defend the description therein.
- Poster who joke of women being pigs.
- Mods who must surely see this shite and the objections other posters raise and yet repeatedly do feck all about it, leaving it to fester and attract all the forum vermin.
I get that you can't go into the details, I had some questions regarding about how you knew her intentions but knowing your relationship with the man through your employment I assume you were privy to details of their relationship.He lived in accommodation with drop in support from social care services, who I worked for, so I knew exactly how their relationship was. I can't go into too much detail, so you'll have to take my word for it. It was manipulative and exploitative in one direction only. In brief, they met when he was about 19 (mental age considerably less) and she was 17, and her and her friends befriended him so he would buy them alcohol. They mocked him and abused his willingness to have some friends. Years later (mid 20s) she was down on her luck, he had social care funded accommodation, so she reconnected and used him for accommodation (she didn't legally live there, she wasn't allowed to, which was a whole other issue).
I think the law I was referring to, which gave the police/CPS the power to press charges without the victims consent was well intentioned. I'm sure it was hard fought for by domestic abuse campaigners for many years. I'm sure it has helped a lot of cases find justice. However, it was also too broad and gives too much power to PC Plod. ANY incident that involves current or former partners is automatically considered domestic abuse, and automatically means that the police can press charges without the victims consent. I'm sure in this case, it was a new power and the police wanted to try it out. They knew or should have known it was unnecessary. I don't trust PC Plod to be able to weigh up these kind of situations. Each of them is also incentized to get a result, they have targets. Burglaries are time consuming and rarely result in, well, a result. Upsetting someone, easy result.
In terms of harassment and stalking. I can't really comment on stalking, as I have no idea how common it is or what is done about it. In terms of harassment, I think in its current form it's one of the most ridiculous "crimes" in existence. To me harassment is hounding someone, going out of your way to intentionally berate or annoy them. However, in the law as it stands it is as broad as making unwanted contact on two occasions (Protection from Harassment Act), or one offensive remark in public (Public Order Act). I don't think the state should be doing anything in 99% of cases where someone has upset someone else. And if they do, in the first instance, it shouldn't be PC Plod who gets involved.
You've just invented a hypothetical in your head to get mad at.Needless to say, if a poster tells a similar story from their own experiences and calls a bloke in it a cnut, nobody bats an eye.
Pretty interesting that 'woman' still beats 'learning disability' in oppression/privilege top trumps, mind. Hard to keep score sometimes.
It's incredible how people can literally turn any situation into an opportunity for virtue signalling. We have a social worker explaining how someone emotionally manipulated and took advantage of a mentally disabled person, only to then call the police on him once she was done using him(what a surprise that he couldn't understand that she didn't want to be with him after that?), and 'misogny' is what you extract from it. Does a woman have to murder someone for it to be ok to criticise her?
I wrote that post last year. I've spoken about it in other posts, but that's the only where I could remember the thread. The poster made a comment about a cnut crying to the police over harassment claims, and then went on to attack legislation surrounding harassment, and how the legislation should be scrapped and it's not something the government should be interfering with. That absolutely deserved to be questioned, even more so when one is well informed on the legislation surrounding harassment, as they'd know from the events described there would be no conviction (maybe a PIN but still extremely unlikely). With the additional posts and information the poster has provided, I understand their viewpoint a little better and I understand the incident understandably had an emotional impact on them. I also think they're being truthful even if I suspect they're misremembering the specifics of the case, as by their own admission it must have been over two decades ago and by the letter of the law the man could not have possibly been guilty with the information we have.My (foster) sister was raped when she was 12, by a man who lived with her foster carers. She was let down by the various systems and the personnel who work within them, and society in general I guess. Although it was many years ago, this event has hugely shaped her life and to this day she is terrified of ever running into him again. To the point of panic attacks when she thought she’d seen him. I’ve always wanted her to take this case forward, as she deserves justice, and some form of closure. There’s plenty of evidence too. She is adamant though that she never will, for fear that, in her own words, everyone will think she’s a ‘slag’ or that she’s a liar.
That was the framing of the story you imbeciles. nimic gave the guy the courtesy of explaining that there may have been more to the story and that resorting to the term "cnut" in reference to a harassment complainant is not the done thing. When actually any extenuating circumstances are irrelevant and the casually thrown out term "cnut" entirely inappropriate given the way the story was initially unfurled, about an anonymous woman in someone's internet story.I know you're joking, but it potentially is. Harassment laws are shocking and in need of change/clarification, as it essentially comes down to causing someone offence, but offence is so subjective. I don't think it's enforced much though, but the potential is there. A service user at my old workplace (a vulnerable adult) got charged and prosecuted for texting his ex on three separate occassions after they broke up that he missed her/still loved her/that she was beautiful etc, because the cnut went crying to the police saying she was distressed by it.
Sadly it may be a genuine topic but the vast majority of people who mention it are either just actual racists, or are so dumb their idea of top quality banter is puerile garbage. As stupid as they may be however, I don't want any police officer, magistrate, judge or other state official determining what is offensive, or what is banter. Education and encouragement of acceptable/preferred behaviour is more beneficial than outlawing/punishing those who step out of line IMO.
I'm less decided when it comes to companies/schools enforcing what is acceptable. Again I'd think encouraging correct behaviour, establishing a culture that is desired is beneficial. I'd like to think most workplaces let people off for one-off indiscretions with some words of advice and a warning. In my experience the only people who get fired or properly disciplined for a balls-up are the ones who constantly overstep the line or who are a general liability, so it's a good excuse to get rid of them. So any Daily Mail articles in the future about "Teacher fired for Wrongspeak!", my first thought will be that they're probably a shit teacher anyway.
Without going around in circles, my issues was with the insinuation that the poster was a mysogynist(or something of that ilk), with zero follow up, once more details were provided; not with anyone asking for more info on the story. I'll leave it at that.I quoted my post above to show you why when someone calls someone a cnut for going to the police about harassment and how harassment is too strongly enforced, I'm going to ask questions as to why they think that and that I disagree with their assessment over the legislation. You can call it virtue signalling I don't care as long as I make my points.
It's the exact opposite of that. It's a hypothetical where nobody gets mad.You've just invented a hypothetical in your head to get mad at.
If you put cnut into the search engine on the Caf, I think you would see it would take some time to reverse this trend. Anyway wouldn't it be "PC gone mad" if we had to refer to nasty people or people we don't like as "meanies" rather than above insults?This argument could have been avoided if we stop using cnut, dick, feck, basic biology, as insults.
That’s actually pretty goodIt's the exact opposite of that. It's a hypothetical where nobody gets mad.
Use a dictionary, find a word that is relevant and insulting. You could also use adjectives.If you put cnut into the search engine on the Caf, I think you would see it would take some time to reverse this trend. Anyway wouldn't it be "PC gone mad" if we had to refer to nasty people or people we don't like as "meanies" rather than above insults?
Sounds like a fun way to expand our vocabulary.Use a dictionary, find a word that is relevant and insulting. You could also use adjectives.
And having to stop and think of something actually relevant to say might even lead to constructive debateSounds like a fun way to expand our vocabulary.
feck that shit.This argument could have been avoided if we stop using cnut, dick, feck, basic biology, as insults.
Not calling a woman "c*nt" is a minimum requirement for any kind of civilized discourse.If you put cnut into the search engine on the Caf, I think you would see it would take some time to reverse this trend. Anyway wouldn't it be "PC gone mad" if we had to refer to nasty people or people we don't like as "meanies" rather than above insults?
Using derogatory insults for a woman is not nice or civilized, just like calling Rhrodi Giggs wife a slag isn't nice either.Not calling a woman "c*nt" is a minimum requirement for any kind of civilized discourse.
It’s not nice but I’m struggling to see the misogyny. Cnut is used to describe men as often as it’s used to describe women. It’s gender neutral. Dick, cock or prick would tend to be used only for men. Which makes the former a more progressive kind of insult, if you ask me. Along with asshole and gooch.Using derogatory insults for a woman is not nice or civilized, just like calling Rhrodi Giggs wife a slag isn't nice either.
Anyway, I just had to skim quickly through the Margaret thatcher threads to see how many used that insult for her which is not surprising that it's sanctioned in her case since she was after all a hated politician. And I agree, it's a unpleasant thing to call a women. It's not something I have a habit of.
What is this?It’s not nice but I’m struggling to see the misogyny. Cnut is used to describe men as often as it’s used to describe women. It’s gender neutral. Dick, cock or prick would tend to be used only for men. Which makes the former a more progressive kind of insult, if you ask me. Along with asshole and gooch.
What is this?
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