Undeniably. The best player for the best team in the league.
"He was/is clearly the best player in the league"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
adexkola
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This is usually a useless metric.Regarding that Suarez season, i seen someone saying almost half his goals came against relegated teams and he only scored 1 against the top 6.
If true, doesnt that devalue the season a bit, or was it just that a good a season nothing de values it?
Still think that goal against Newcastle he scored from the long ball is one of the best ive ever seen.
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Why?This is usually a useless metric.
Henry 2002 - 24 goals and 5 assists
RVN 2002 - 23 goals and 4 assists
Henry 2003 - 24 goals and 20 assists
RVN 2003 - 25 goals and 4 assists.
Henry 2004 - 30 goals and 6 assists
RVN 2004 - 20 goals and 4 assists.
I'm taking those from the Premier League website so I'm not exactly sure if they are accurate. Those were good battles. I'm amazed that Henry dropped 16 assists but scored 6 more goals in their invincibles season. Did he start taking penalties when he wasn't before? I can't remember.
RVN 2002 - 23 goals and 4 assists
Henry 2003 - 24 goals and 20 assists
RVN 2003 - 25 goals and 4 assists.
Henry 2004 - 30 goals and 6 assists
RVN 2004 - 20 goals and 4 assists.
I'm taking those from the Premier League website so I'm not exactly sure if they are accurate. Those were good battles. I'm amazed that Henry dropped 16 assists but scored 6 more goals in their invincibles season. Did he start taking penalties when he wasn't before? I can't remember.
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Because goals scored are not the only measure of performance against a top 6 side. And as a striker if you're not provided much service due to the rest of your team failing you, you won't do much more often than not. More context is needed.Why?
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Then quoting goals to strengthen an arguement cant be used either if you dismiss the context in which they were scoredBecause goals scored are not the only measure of performance against a top 6 side. And as a striker if you're not provided much service due to the rest of your team failing you, you won't do much more often than not. More context is needed.
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Mistake I spelt Ronaldinho instead of Ronaldo.How have you not got mid to late 2000s uniteds ronaldo on this?
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I... don't disagree with that and I don't think this contradicts my normal statement.Then quoting goals to strengthen an arguement cant be used either if you dismiss the context in which they were scored
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He played good even when he didn't score. He often took a "playmaker" role vs top teams, and excelled in that role too.Regarding that Suarez season, i seen someone saying almost half his goals came against relegated teams and he only scored 1 against the top 6.
If true, doesnt that devalue the season a bit, or was it just that a good a season nothing de values it?
Still think that goal against Newcastle he scored from the long ball is one of the best ive ever seen.
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It doesn't, but throughout this thread there is stats quoted in nearly every other post to strengthen an argument, so i suppose I was countering with negative goalscoring stats for one exampleI... don't disagree with that and I don't think this contradicts my normal statement.
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Ah I see makes senseIt doesn't, but throughout this thread there is stats quoted in nearly every other post to strengthen an argument, so i suppose I was countering with negative goalscoring stats for one example
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I would say Cech in 10/11 was a lowkey candidate.
Dragged a stale Chelsea side barely creating anything into a title race.
Dragged a stale Chelsea side barely creating anything into a title race.
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Yeah I remember him playing some outrageous passes to set Sterling up on a plate against City away that year only for the then teenager to inexplicably miss. He was great in almost every game he played that season (whether he scored or didn’t).He played good even when he didn't score. He often took a "playmaker" role vs top teams, and excelled in that role too.
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Bale was absolutely devastating that one season, whether he was clearly the best in the league I am not sure either.Controversial perhaps but I never thought Bale was the best in the league.
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For me both of his PFA player of the year awards were farces.Bale was absolutely devastating that one season, whether he was clearly the best in the league I am not sure either.